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Quote from: Morgus on June 30, 2018, 02:40:28 PM
Nancy, last night did Bill say his godfather was George Burns?

George is his godfather, as is Jack Benny. Bill's middle name is Jack, and his father and George Burns changed their names when they became the Burns Brothers. They were all in showbiz together, before and after the Great Depression.

Quote from: GravitySucks on June 30, 2018, 01:32:38 AM
He didn’t say. He slipped it in when he was talking about automatons using the pun hed cards and paper tapes like the player pianos.  I think he said “like our first one that shot a missile at TWA flight 800 over Long Island”. I am not an insider so I can’t go back and check the archives. But I am sure he said something like that.  I barely caught it.

The platform Bill saw was when he was at Jim Sanders's house. They are co-authors on a book about a missile from a sub hitting TWA 800. Both technologies were (and maybe still are) secretive and still being tested.

Quote from: albrecht on May 30, 2018, 01:31:00 PM
Sounds like a nice place. Here is that thread. Or at least one of the threads. Not much action in it recently.
http://bellgab.com/index.php?topic=7940.0

That's the one! Nothing dies in BellGab. I've posted my current cutting field -- one small section of it.

Here is one quadrant of my cutting-field. Mowed by hand, by me. Also, I've begun to hand-weed the edges of beds, in that old-fashioned Italian way.

Quote from: albrecht on May 30, 2018, 12:11:49 PM
Because it is the simple satisfaction of a job well done and completed. Also a bit of exercise and pride when your yard looks good. Sure they are arguments about opportunity costs etc but I liked mowing the lawn, chopping down trees, etc. And it is when I listen to Norry. Because the sounds of engines or power tools go well the ambient mumblings of Norry and if you miss some of the the crazy guests or mumbling host says it is no big deal. You didn't miss much. I have a neighbor in his late 40's who likes to "wake and bake" and mow, edge, blow off deck, clean the pool, etc. It is his "alone time" and time he can smoke up away from family. He is the only person I know where weed makes him more active. A mowing fool.  Will do the greenbelt, clean out the woods, besides his house yard, deck, and pool.

There used to be a mowing thread on BG here, somewhere in the past, I think. I have a heavier than usual hand mower that my son found on the side of the road and I use it at least twice daily at this time of year. We live in a clearing in a hollow in the woods, beside a crick. It's heaven out there.

Quote from: Ghost on May 30, 2018, 12:45:20 PM
Keep caring and digging! The plot thickens!

Miss Peter Falk, he figured them all out.

Also, you (Dyna) should care because you've got the skills. Keep digging. I just published a really nice Columbo bio, about a man who led a sunny life, compared to Art.

Quote from: ponyboysunset on May 25, 2018, 09:28:39 PM
Writing is where it is at

You got that right, sister. 👯

Quote from: Shithead on May 25, 2018, 07:54:05 PM
Hi Nancy Birnes 

Is Future Theater coming back someday? I really miss the show. I hope you and Bill can make it back someday.

Thank you for that. I never say never, but for now we're both concentrating on the written word. But I do miss it and think I've learned a lot on the journey so far. Doing radio makes some people crazy, you know. It's a fact.

Quote from: teknoslag on May 25, 2018, 07:42:44 PM
From the facts of the case. What piece of information did Ted Bundy give that led to the identification and arrest of Ridgway? None.

Ridgway was arrested for solicitation in 1982. He was ID'd as a suspect in 1983 when the boyfriend of a victim, who witnessed her abduction, followed the truck his girlfriend was picked up in to the owner's home. He led police to the house, who questioned the owner. The owner was Gary Ridgway. When detectives cross referenced that incident with Ridgway's earlier arrest, he became a suspect. He was cleared by a polygraph test, though Detective Reichert maintained at the time that he didn't trust the test results, which turned out to be a smart move on his part. It was later determined through quality control protocols that the FBI developed afterwards that Ridgway had actually failed his polygraph. His DNA was taken and kept on file until 2001, when technology had advanced far enough to obtain a match.

Nowhere in there was anything Bundy said helpful, nor was it utilized to capture the Green River Killer.

"But for me, the Bundy interviews turned out to be less about information and more about inspiration. Ted Bundy certainly knew everything about his own exploits as a serial killer, and he had studied other monsters the way an athelete studies his competitors. But in the end, he had used us to get some relief from the prison routine and to make himself feel important. He was also trying to delay his own execution by demonstrating that he had some value to society that would be lost upon his death. I didn't buy any of that." - Dave Reichert, Chasing the Devil, pg. 124 - 143

Reichert has been adamant from the moment Ridgway was arrested (20 years after Bundy supposedly helped catch him) that Ted played absolutely no role in his ID or his capture, as have others who worked tirelessly on the case for decades.

This is stuff that Bill knows, not me. I will gracefully bow out whilst I still can. 

Quote from: chefist on May 25, 2018, 05:18:25 PM
Did you have any of these shows on Future Theater?

True crime shows? We've had a few with Bob Keppel, many with John Liebert. Here are all the true crime books our company has produced: http://shadowlawnpress.com/12-truecrime/12-truecrime/

Edited to add: I feel bad being so braggy, but also guilty for not promoting more. And I love this forum.

Quote from: teknoslag on May 25, 2018, 06:18:00 PM
Bundy did not help catch the Green River Killer. Law enforcement traveled to Florida to interview Bundy in the hopes he could offer them some information that might lead to a suspect, but he gave them nothing of value. Most of the time he just boasted about things he would do after he had committed his murders and masked it as so-called insight. They learned more about him and his perverse desires than they did about GRK, and the few pieces of information (like the killer returning to the dump sites to have sex with the bodies) that did turn out to be true were only confirmed after Gary Ridgeway was identified through DNA and arrested decades later.

That whole 'Bundy-as-a-mad-genius' scenario is nothing but exaggeration and wishful thinking from people who've seen too many Hannibal Lecter movies.

Where are you getting your info?

Quote from: Hells Mole on May 25, 2018, 01:42:39 PM
It is so very disturbing how normal he looks.  The face of a monster is the face we all see in the mirror, potentially.  No fangs, green skin, distorted features, claws, or any such thing.  An attractive, well-spoken and reasonably charismatic guy that dresses like a lawyer may be savagely torturing, raping and murdering women by the busload.  You can't learn about these predators and continue to take anyone you meet for granted.  It could be your lawyer, it could be the friendly grocery store manager, it could be a church deacon, a prominent politician, a school teacher.  In fact it is far more likely to be a "respectable" type member of society then a disheveled street person.
Anyway, Bundy and Dahmer are both fascinating because of the amount of footage and interviews that exist but Dahmer's forthcoming admissions and self-awareness make him more conceivable, or vaguely relatable to the average person whereas Bundy never stopped manipulating, lying, playing games right up to the moment of execution.
I wish they had caught Bundy at least once, in prison or somesuch where someone wasn't actually be victimized by him, having some manner of violent episode or visible psychotic break, or just some kind of crack in his "I'm an amicable, reasonable fellow" veneer.  Maybe he was even that way as he committed those godawful acts.  He was one of the best cases for pure evil because he just doesn't seem mentally unbalanced but completely aware that he is some kind of apex hunter.

Your wish will probably come true. I'm currently editing and digitizing the original Serial Killers on its 30-year anniversary. Bundy and Bob Keppel talked for hours of recorded interviews, and Bundy helped catch the Riverman. Somewhere in our attic those tapes are moldering.

Quote from: Grifynne on May 07, 2018, 02:03:23 PM
I suspect that Micah is way too busy. The guy is always on the move, he goes to events, does the Gralien Report and Middle Theory, plus I believe he has some kind of a day job.

For the history and for the Micah buffs, he was one of our columnists in UFO Magazine, ten years ago. Seems like yesterday.

Quote from: Bobs Your Uncle on May 07, 2018, 12:51:37 PM
Hi Nancy,

I really wish you and Bill would do another show. I enjoyed Future Theater. Didn't care for Angel though.

Thank you for this. Bill misses it, I think. I've kept the mics and mixer hooked up, but pushed way back. Way back.

Quote from: morgana213 on May 07, 2018, 12:25:12 PM
Yes, and a dreamy one at that.  Did I tell you I have all of your songs on my desktop?   

Praise MV!!

We need to find some bobby sox and scream our heads off.

Quote from: HumanBeing on May 07, 2018, 11:54:03 AM
you could be wrong though

Sorry, Human, if it was you. Brig has a very high percentage of being right around here, you know. I was lazy and didn't search thoroughly. Again.

Quote from: TheMan WhoFell ToEarth on May 07, 2018, 06:05:50 AM
I forgot who it was, but whoever coined the phrase 'Wading Through the Desert' so long ago really nailed it.

It was brig, of course. Unless it wasn't. But I think it was.

Quote from: El Chorro on May 06, 2018, 12:57:05 PM
Wow. That's gotta be hard for a lot of folks to read.

It sure was for me. Once that ship sailed and we stopped cheering and waving from deck, it was horrible to realize that we were never going anywhere. Worse, once you realized it, you were already far from shore and the lifeboats were leaky.

Quote from: morgana213 on May 04, 2018, 04:22:16 PM
I for one miss you Nancy. Wish you and Bill still had a show I could listen to.  I've resorted to listening to the older ones on IRM.  But, it's good to know you are happy and still hangin' with us vaguely loveables.     

And always...Praise MV!

Hi Morgana! Was so glad to see your name here again!! Thanks for the kind words ... and thanks for listening back in the day. I have made an alphabetical guest list for ease in finding old shows:

http://www.futuretheater.com/guests/

It's great to be back here, and all praise to MV for that. I will pay cash money as soon as I can for the privilege.

Quote from: Catsmile on May 04, 2018, 03:11:14 PM
I think most people don't really want Cannabis made legal, like Aspirin. Most folks however do want Cannabis decriminalized, like Alcohol & Tobacco. Therein comes the big controversy. Legalize VS. Decriminalize. Legalized Cannabis means no real laws restricting age, when, where, how, the drug is used, anyone could produce, sell, or trade it without regulation or restriction. Decriminalization would put some restrictions on usage like age, where, or when you could use Cannabis, and regulate growing & selling.

Regulations like we have for Alcohol & Tobacco usage would probably satisfy most folks. Most reasonable people think the punishment doesn't fit the crime for the majority of Cannabis use and possession charges today, and that is a good thing. People should be allowed to grow for personal use only, if they want to grow for profit they should be regulated like any farmer growing produce for consumption. Taxation should be kept within a reasonable percentage, making it less attractive for the black market profitwise. The rest of the debate is mostly people/government trying to legislate morality, which has never worked in the history of humankind.             

Disagree. Legalize, take away the stigma. Teach kids to love their minds, undrugged, and keep it that way as long as possible. In other words, educate. The more you know ... and all that.

Quote from: Dyna-X on May 04, 2018, 02:48:10 PM
Actually, that is a talent. For some its learned, others are naturals. Some can manipulate people so fast that the manipulator has what they want before the prey asks "What just happened? Was I manipulated?"

This pattern can go on for a lifetime until the manipulator is overtaken by one that is even better at the game.

Very astute. I think that's why we are always fascinated by the big fish getting eaten by the bigger fish.

Quote from: HumanBeing on May 04, 2018, 06:29:28 AM
Sharing a blunt with William would be fantastic

Respect.

Quote from: WhiteCrow on May 03, 2018, 10:50:46 PM
Dearest Nancy... I know its unrespecfully early to mention, but Bill writing Arts' autobiography is hopefully something he would consider.

No worries .. you know .. your wish is my command.
You get yourself right and all the best to you!

Missing you.


https://youtu.be/Ua1f2sxMDZM

Quote from: nbirnes on May 03, 2018, 11:15:59 PM

Thanks bunches of bella hugs! 🌸🌸🌸

Quote from: GravitySucks on May 03, 2018, 10:59:11 PM
I agree but your first reaction was to fund a study. More government red tape. Studies are fine once it is widely available to determine which strains help which disorders for example. But no more billion dollar sinkhole government studies to prove it is a plant.

Not a government study -- not at all. Study by anyone. It's a plant that's as old as mankind, and our bodies seem to be naturally receptive to it.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on May 03, 2018, 10:52:24 PM
Correct. I have to respectfully disagree with Nancy. As I've said before, pot was my older brother's gateway and preferred drug.    I've already said what happened to him.  He's on Art's plane of existence now.  Let the people have the liberty to choose though.  I like a drink now and then so I understand if people like a toke once in a while.

I am sorry for your loss, 21st. Sorry to be flip about any substance, but my research led me to Terence McKenna, and proselytizing aways seems to follow.

Quote from: GravitySucks on May 03, 2018, 10:45:25 PM
Don’t cloud the issue by trying to tie it to some war against opioids. That is the problem with progressives. You need to think more like a libertarian. It should be legal because it is none of the governments business. If alcohol and tobacco are legal it is absolutely an impeachable offense to make marijuana illegal.

p.s. Do you really want to try argue that people getting illegal opiods are doing so because they can’t get pot?

Fair enough ... but there are so many good arguments, especially for the more mature among us.

Quote from: GravitySucks on May 03, 2018, 10:31:58 PM
I am sure Trump would sign it if he got a bill. His stand is based on the fact that if we have a law it should be enforced. I think he would love it if Congress repealed all federal laws and made it a state’s rights issue.

It should be studied. It should be lovingly grown, like heirloom tomatoes, in any backyard. Some kind of artisanal blend could help the opioid problem.

Quote from: GravitySucks on May 03, 2018, 10:07:14 PM
Legalized marijuana?

From your lips to any Republican's ear.

Quote from: WhiteCrow on May 03, 2018, 09:45:03 PM
#GoLasha
#GoHeather
#NancyToo

Girls, don't let these e-tarded nitwits destroy your passions and dreams. You tried, all they did was criticized. And that criticism is a good thing, getting under their skin,  shows how popular you really are.


https://youtu.be/VoP1E9J4jpg

Dear WhiteCrow,

You know I love you, and appreciate everything you do for All. Can I ask, as a special favor, that you not add my name? I'm recovered from the fevers of the past and there is a bright new future to look forward to.

Thanks, For Ever.

Quote from: bellNwhistle on May 03, 2018, 01:38:04 PM
They both do drama well, don’t they? :

I noticed that, too. Thing is, that type of personality doesn't stop doing it, so maybe Art's Morse Code guys got the brunt of it. We, the listeners, were spared.