Art Bell

[Robert]

While I'm sure it [podcasting, streamed on demand rather than on schedule] would, no doubt, be good, it would be a bit of a shame and waste though. No one does live radio like Art. It's one of the things we love about him; and I think it's one of the things he loves about doing radio too.

Even shows where you'd think it'd make no difference are like that when it comes to their creators.  There was a 1-hr. Sun. night comedy program in the 1980s called Post Serial (Get it?) out of C.W. Post College's WCWP which, although it included a lot of recorded bits, was in a live "wrapper".  When the schedules of its creators (including some like Mike Mamon who've gone on to careers in professional radio, producer at WABC in his case) no longer allowed them to get together to do it, I asked why they couldn't just do a pre-recorded program.  I think it was Tim Hernandez who answered that it wouldn't be the same -- that even though it wasn't a phone-in program, they would get energy from the feedback from unsolicited calls, maybe friends, while they were on air.

I'm sure it'd be so much the more so for Art Bell & the type of show he does, or wants to do.

OTOH, some, like Chris T., who recently for medical reasons had to quit his weekly mostly-talk 1-hr. show on WFMU, The Aerial View (Get it?), has continued it as a weekly podcast, and is hoping to return to the air.  (He's also been a radio professional.)

The recent documentary film, Sex And Broadcasting includes statements from at least a couple of former on-air figures from WFMU, about what a commitment & sacrifice it is, especially for those who could also do something similar (but without complete creative control) for $.  But so many are driven to do it nonetheless that today WFMU has not only its on-air channel but several streaming-only channels.  Art Bell fits right in with that sentiment; he obviously loved doing it, we enjoyed being on the other end, but first a physical threat and now physical disability have sat down heavily on the other side of the scale.

There are similar consider'ns at work w George Noory.  Don't laugh.  For years it seemed he was doing a show only for the $ & possible career promotion, and was bored with it & doing the minimum work necessary for it.  Now I sense in recent shows that he's actually interested in what he's doing, and the types of shows he's doing are more varied than the rut C2C was in for some time.  We all do better when we enjoy our work.  I'm guessing the change came from above his head, allowing him to do shows that weren't in what the bosses had considered the C2C mold.

[Roswells, Art]

Fixed.

FIFY 

hahaha

[WOTR]

There are similar consider'ns at work w George Noory.  Don't laugh.  For years it seemed he was doing a show only for the $ & possible career promotion, and was bored with it & doing the minimum work necessary for it.

You keep saying this on various threads, and I keep wondering if Jorch has sent you a pair of complimentary glasses recently.

[Robert]

what about WBAI?

I've been friendly with a few people at WBAI, and I was even an in-studio guest on a late night show of theirs ~30 yrs. ago, but these days I hardly ever listen to them.  Partly out of habit, but overall they just don't have the vibe of WFMU.  It's largely because of their different hx.

WBAI was founded by the left-anarcho-pacifist-influenced Pacifica Foundation (partly from the Labadie estate IIRC), and become a self-parody periodically, ratcheting it up, from their politicalness.  By contrast, WFMU from the 1970s was, first, a beneficiary of benign neglect by the college that hosted it; and afterwards, a benevolent dictatorship by the guy who stepped up to organize its independent funding.  WBAI tries to pay its talent and tries to run itself democratically; WFMU's talent are slaves and have no power over operations.  As a result, WBAI is, relatively speaking, a mess, while WFMU is a paradise.  As they say, WFMU is the station that works in practice, though not in theory.

One paradoxic result was that WFMU saved Amy Goodman's program, Democracy Now, when it was kicked off WBAI for a while for, what else, political reasons.  There is more freedom in an appreciative dictatorship than in a democracy.  I think Amy Goodman's (and her reporters') world view is crackpot, but then so are many of the guests on C2C & MITD, so I'm glad it's out there.

[WOTR]

Dearie,  i'd take a double dose of laxatives and fast for three days if that would bring Art back.

Please PM me your address and I will dispatch a box of complimentary laxatives.  You let Art know when you have started the regimen, and he can post here if it helps COPD.  Not very scientific (it actually puts some of Georges quack guests to shame)- but I'm willing to give it a shot in the hopes that it may help.  Think of it as a consciousness experiment where your hunger pains would remind you to think of curing Art.

[Robert]

You keep saying this on various threads, and I keep wondering if Jorch has sent you a pair of complimentary glasses recently.

Heh...eye or drinking?  Rose colored, maybe?

C2C's improvement with Noory behind the mic has been surprising to me.  Although I too got a kick out of his most egregious failings, making fun of something bad is never as good as enjoying something good.  GNS was commiser'n, not celebr'n.

Maybe I'm judging by too small a sample so far.  It was years before I came here that I was telling people, "Can you believe how bad this guy makes his late night program I often listen to?  How can they stand to keep him in that job?"  "Who, Art Bell?"  "No, his replacement."  Maybe wishful thinking is playing a part here, especially now that it seems Ms. Wade's show will be only so-so for at least a while, and Art Bell's not coming back, and I've gotten into the habit of staying up late.

[GravitySucks]

Please PM me your address and I will dispatch a box of complimentary laxatives.  You let Art know when you have started the regimen, and he can post here if it helps COPD.  Not very scientific (it actually puts some of Georges quack guests to shame)- but I'm willing to give it a shot in the hopes that it may help.  Think of it as a consciousness experiment where your hunger pains would remind you to think of curing Art.

bobo17 is a waste disposal expert.

[SciFiAuthor]

bobo17 is a waste disposal expert.

Bobo is an expert at almost everything. I've heard he once saved a puppy by killing a crocodile with his bare hands. He has been president of 11 countries. Chuck Norris cowers at the mere mention of Bobo's name. Make no mistake, at that meeting, Art's fucked.

[trostol]

Bobo is an expert at almost everything. I've heard he once saved a puppy by killing a crocodile with his bare hands. He has been president of 11 countries. Chuck Norris cowers at the mere mention of Bobo's name. Make no mistake, at that meeting, Art's fucked.

[WOTR]

Heh...eye or drinking?  Rose colored, maybe?

At the risk of being responsible for sending you down a rabbit hole and ruining your life... Falkie hated Noorie.  Noorie paid for his glasses (and a guest pass to a woo woo con).  Suddenly, Falkie "saw the light" and found the grain of talent in George.  It really was just a bad joke (I'm kind of a bastard.) 

I think you are sincere and honestly do believe that George is improving (I still attribute that to neuroplasticity.) I just cannot listen as any time I accidentally catch even 5 minutes of his show I want to throw my radio through a window.  I will likely never know if he has made an improvement, or if your bran has managed to defend itself by rewiring pathways to find George more stimulating. 

[Showroom Dummy]

I've been friendly with a few people at WBAI, and I was even an in-studio guest on a late night show of theirs ~30 yrs. ago, but these days I hardly ever listen to them.  Partly out of habit, but overall they just don't have the vibe of WFMU.  It's largely because of their different hx.

who's late night show  Curtis and Klu, Niteshift, Earth Watch,  Max's Old Time Radio ?

One paradoxic result was that WFMU saved Amy Goodman's program, Democracy Now, when it was kicked off WBAI for a while for, what else, political reasons.  There is more freedom in an appreciative dictatorship than in a democracy.  I think Amy Goodman's (and her reporters') world view is crackpot, but then so are many of the guests on C2C & MITD, so I'm glad it's out there.

yea i'm very familiar with amy's journey -you are correct

[PB the Deplorable]

How many shows has Art done where he was either saying goodbye or doing a welcome back show?  It seems like there's probably been at least a dozen.  Maybe even a dozen of each.  It would be an amazing playlist to have all of the "farewell" shows and all of the "welcome back" shows in one playlist and listen to them all in sequential order.  Or at least it would be fun to see the dates of each show, and maybe a description of what is causing Art's retirement/return.  Is anybody here a big enough fan with an organized enough database of past shows to put together that list? 

I doubt it.   
But it would be fun to see.
Discuss.

Remember when the Stones visited Art, wrote this one for him, and came on the show?  Good times.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iw_BE_X9sA

[Robert]

At the risk of being responsible for sending you down a rabbit hole and ruining your life... Falkie hated Noorie.  Noorie paid for his glasses (and a guest pass to a woo woo con).  Suddenly, Falkie "saw the light" and found the grain of talent in George.  It really was just a bad joke (I'm kind of a bastard.) 

I think you are sincere and honestly do believe that George is improving (I still attribute that to neuroplasticity.) I just cannot listen as any time I accidentally catch even 5 minutes of his show I want to throw my radio through a window.  I will likely never know if he has made an improvement, or if your bran has managed to defend itself by rewiring pathways to find George more stimulating. 

Must be the turmeric.  Actually I have used curry powder in a few dishes recently, although the slug of sodium that comes with it is unwelcome.  Think experiencing Noory on turmeric is like experiencing other things while stoned?  Is he going to slip it into the reservoir when the rest of the popul'n doesn't willingly consume his mind-control stuff?

[GravitySucks]

At the risk of being responsible for sending you down a rabbit hole and ruining your life... Falkie hated Noorie.  Noorie paid for his glasses (and a guest pass to a woo woo con).  Suddenly, Falkie "saw the light" and found the grain of talent in George.  It really was just a bad joke (I'm kind of a bastard.) 

I think you are sincere and honestly do believe that George is improving (I still attribute that to neuroplasticity.) I just cannot listen as any time I accidentally catch even 5 minutes of his show I want to throw my radio through a window.  I will likely never know if he has made an improvement, or if your bran has managed to defend itself by rewiring pathways to find George more stimulating. 

Did you ever see the movie "A Christmas Story"?  Remember the scene when the boy gets soap blindness from having his mouth washed out with soap?  Something similar has happened to Robert. He developed this magic soap, but evidently he didn't study the long term effects. He still has a warehouse full of the liquid in a Pennsylvania warehouse if you would like to do further studies. Long term effects may include, but are not limited to, creating abbreviations and contractions unknown to the common man, and a general yearning to listen and enjoy C2C.

[Robert]

who's late night show  Curtis and Klu, Niteshift, Earth Watch,  Max's Old Time Radio?

So long ago I don't remember.  It wasn't Hour of the Wolf, wasn't Margot Adler, wasn't any of those you mentioned (I think).  Started around midnight, finished near dawn.  I was probably proselytizing for my libertarian political ideas.

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

Must be the turmeric.  Actually I have used curry powder in a few dishes recently, although the slug of sodium that comes with it is unwelcome.  Think experiencing Noory on turmeric is like experiencing other things while stoned?  Is he going to slip it into the reservoir when the rest of the popul'n doesn't willingly consume his mind-control stuff?

Hey, did you guys know Snoorgie snorts his Tooooooo-mreeck like cocaine until he sees mean babies being sucked into a pizza-roll portal ?  

[Robert]

The show on WBAI I had the most to do with was Gary Null's Natural Living, but only because I got paid.  In 1993 he employed me to write up quick lay summaries of research abstracts.  Kind of like the job Jerry Hickey does on air.

WFMU I've been a listener to for 35 yrs.

I've been an in-studio guest on Barry Farber & on Jay Diamond.

[Stranger929]

Hey Art-- try a podcast.  Pretty low commitment & can be recorded whenever you feel like it.

No shit.

[Lt.Uhura]

I think you scrambled the word order there, maybe "including low power stations run by community groups"; or did you really mean low power community groups?

My favorite is famous in that field, WFMU.  http://wfmu.org

Ha yes.  More like high powered, passionate folks doing Low Power radio.

It's impressive that WFMU has been so successful for so long as a listener-supported station.  Similarly there's KPFA in Berkeley (KPFK in L.A.) who've experienced some dramatic ups and downs over the years but are still there. 

what about WBAI ?

I'm familiar with WBAI, as my radio mentor was there during the George Carlin Filthy Words episode...ahh, the good old days when listeners would still be surprised and shocked by outrageous human behavior. 
😄

[Northern Nights]

I think you scrambled the word order there, maybe "including low power stations run by community groups"; or did you really mean low power community groups?

My favorite is famous in that field, WFMU.  http://wfmu.org

WFMU is just plain cool. Dave the Spazz on Thursday nights is offbeat radio at it's best.

[chefist]

I saw somebody who said I only care about myself and not the listeners who were with me for Decades, nothing could be further from the truth, I will take to my grave the connection I have felt for those who spent countless late nights with me and were loyal to a fault. Without the support of those of you who loved the show as I loved doing it there would have been no show. I was never in this for the money, not ever, I was in it for the love of doing it, the subjects covered and the joy it brought to those who listened.

Art

Honestly, Art needs to say this more often...and he should answer fan posts more often...it would help his image immensely...

[ziznak]

Honestly, Art needs to say this more often...and he should answer fan posts more often...it would help his image immensely...

in this place? that is soooo fiercely debatable... you are being sarcastic right? 

[chefist]

in this place? that is soooo fiercely debatable... you are being sarcastic right?

LOL...yes...but he should respond to his fans on a regular basis...not just the trolls...he has said before that he doesn't like ass kissers, but that is almost the definition of a fan! Art was a great broadcast personality, but he could treat his fans much better than he has...

[Mind Flayer Monk]

I've been friendly with a few people at WBAI, and I was even an in-studio guest on a late night show of theirs ~30 yrs. ago, but these days I hardly ever listen to them.  Partly out of habit, but overall they just don't have the vibe of WFMU.  It's largely because of their different hx.

WBAI was founded by the left-anarcho-pacifist-influenced Pacifica Foundation (partly from the Labadie estate IIRC), and become a self-parody periodically, ratcheting it up, from their politicalness.  By contrast, WFMU from the 1970s was, first, a beneficiary of benign neglect by the college that hosted it; and afterwards, a benevolent dictatorship by the guy who stepped up to organize its independent funding.  WBAI tries to pay its talent and tries to run itself democratically; WFMU's talent are slaves and have no power over operations.  As a result, WBAI is, relatively speaking, a mess, while WFMU is a paradise.  As they say, WFMU is the station that works in practice, though not in theory.

One paradoxic result was that WFMU saved Amy Goodman's program, Democracy Now, when it was kicked off WBAI for a while for, what else, political reasons.  There is more freedom in an appreciative dictatorship than in a democracy.  I think Amy Goodman's (and her reporters') world view is crackpot, but then so are many of the guests on C2C & MITD, so I'm glad it's out there.

One of the posters here recommended WMFU about 4 years ago-I think its a fun station with all kinds of oddities. I listen for a few hours every week. I've never tried WBAI, will listen this week-any recommendations for shows on that station?

[NXOEED]

WFMU is great. Listen all the time. I loved that old show the one dude did with found answering machine tapes from thrift stores.

[chefist]

WFMU is great. Listen all the time. I loved that old show the one dude did with found answering machine tapes from thrift stores.

Thanks for the suggestion folks! I just tuned it in...it's very cool!

[Inglorious Bitch]

One of the posters here recommended WMFU about 4 years ago-I think its a fun station with all kinds of oddities. I listen for a few hours every week. I've never tried WBAI, will listen this week-any recommendations for shows on that station?

Off the Hook with Emmanuel Goldstein a.k.a. Eric Corey - a show for and about hackers or those who dream of being a hacker

[Hollow Man]

Art does lives near Las Vegas so everyone is a tease. He teases us with a new show that he was hosting then gave us Heather who is other teaser.

Yeah, she's definitely other teaser. Not like that Art dude who too old to tease, yeah bra? STFU you vulcan retard.

[Robert]

WFMU is great. Listen all the time. I loved that old show the one dude did with found answering machine tapes from thrift stores.

The Audio Kitchen?  That was a regular found-sound program.  Or do you mean another?

[NXOEED]

The Audio Kitchen?  That was a regular found-sound program.  Or do you mean another?

Yeah The Audio Kitchen. Great show.