Art's Show via RSS (i.e. Dogg Catcher, Beyond Pod, Downcast, etc)

[briantroutman]

The one subscription podcast I subscribe to uses Nanacast. They give everyone a password protected RSS, handle billing and, according to their home page, offer anti-piracy controls.

So Nanacast has a solution for having a password-protected podcast via RSS? I’d be interested in learning how that works. I wonder how that would work with an appâ€"like the iOS Podcasts appâ€"that doesn’t (to my knowledge) have provisions for usernames and passwords, etc...only a space for the RSS feed address.

A decade ago when I had a Backstage Pass membership for Phil Hendrie’s show (back in his Premiere days), Premiere had a self-contained Mac or Windows application that authenticated your account info and downloaded the previous night’s episode every morning. But even then, it put it into your downloads folder and you had to drag the files into iTunes manually...it was a pain.

Alsoâ€"I signed up as a Time Traveler the day Art announced it (out of wanting to support Art more than anything else), but I just now accessed the show archive for the first time, and I was rather disappointed. I know they can’t include the bumpers, but they’re just cutting the music out with a butcher knife? So the archive listeners never hear “From the great American Southwest...” or anything else that’s spoken over the music?

I thought they would have had a separate mix (Art and the guest without the music) that was used for the archive.

[Kolchak]

So Nanacast has a solution for having a password-protected podcast via RSS? I’d be interested in learning how that works. I wonder how that would work with an appâ€"like the iOS Podcasts appâ€"that doesn’t (to my knowledge) have provisions for usernames and passwords, etc...only a space for the RSS feed address.

A decade ago when I had a Backstage Pass membership for Phil Hendrie’s show (back in his Premiere days), Premiere had a self-contained Mac or Windows application that authenticated your account info and downloaded the previous night’s episode every morning. But even then, it put it into your downloads folder and you had to drag the files into iTunes manually...it was a pain.

Alsoâ€"I signed up as a Time Traveler the day Art announced it (out of wanting to support Art more than anything else), but I just now accessed the show archive for the first time, and I was rather disappointed. I know they can’t include the bumpers, but they’re just cutting the music out with a butcher knife? So the archive listeners never hear “From the great American Southwest...” or anything else that’s spoken over the music?

I thought they would have had a separate mix (Art and the guest without the music) that was used for the archive.

Essentially, signing up gives me a name and password. I then log on and access a personalized Rss, which can be added to the iOS podcast app (or any other podcast platform).

Then I get pushed episodes right away like any other podcast.

[briantroutman]

Essentially, signing up gives me a name and password. I then log on and access a personalized Rss, which can be added to the iOS podcast app (or any other podcast platform).

Now that’s an ingenuous solution that makes infinite sense. Why didn’t I think of that?

By the way, I’m overjoyed that Art’s back and have been enjoying Hoagie, too. And I’m somewhat ashamed to admit that I’m hesitant to express even the slightest hint of displeasure because it might discourage Art or Keith and we could end up losing a good thing.

[Catsmile]

Emailed Keith. Awaiting response. It's weird not even being able to access something I'm paying for.

I've been IP cockblocked from sites I've paid for service, but I was in some "shady third world country." However I found ways around their desire to "protect content" from my paid membership. Others will also find ways around such protections if it becomes a compounding issue, added to the lack of RSS feed.

Hopefully customers won't decide to drop their subscriptions because of all the headaches involved, or inability understanding the convoluted out dated way of downloading/listening to the podcast. This is all at the feet of the person in charge of IT. Unless of course, this is how Art specifically directed IT as the means of delivery for his podcast to paying subscribers. 

[Papa Lazarou]

It would be great if Keith could make the ArtBell.com feed contain more posts than just the latest one. I had my RSS reader set to update every 10 hours and I just noticed that I was missing posts. This is not a problem for me, since I simply set my reader to update every 3 hours, but it might be one for people who don't have their PCs up 24/7.

[salinity]

This is frustrating I agree.  I signed up expecting a podcast to be available as well.   A podcast is easy to do if you aren't using authentication.  With authentication it gets more complicated to maintain for thousands of subscribers for sure and will take longer to setup and maintain I suppose. 

So what I did to get around this problem is create my own private podcast.  Since I have my own webservers online it's easy for me to do.  And well I have some of my own podcasts that I publish. 

So every day I download the audio files, add them to my podcast file, and upload it all to my server then my iPhone downloads it automatically.  (If you are looking for a great podcast app for iOS I can't recommend "RSSRadio Premium Podcast Downloader App" as it's called in the app store.  There's three versions.  It works with password protected podcasts.  Apple's Podcasts app does as well actually.  I've just had lots of problems getting the iOS "podcasts" app to work right so I gave up on it.)

Please don't ask for a link to the podcast I created because it's not public and would violate their rules.  But if you are interested I will be happy to upload here all the files you need to create the podcast yourself on your own webserver if you have one.  You can even get a webserver to run on your computer at home and load it there.  It should work fine doing that.  I'll give you everything I have to setup your own podcast except the audio files.  You can download those yourself and just put them in the proper directory and you'll be good to go.

It takes me about 10 minutes every morning to update my podcast with the new recordings.  I've setup a separate podcast for both Art & Richard's shows.

I use Apache on my Linux servers, but here's info on installing it on Windows: 
https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/platform/windows.html

For a Mac:  https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-3083
http://lifehacker.com/start-a-simple-web-server-from-any-directory-on-your-ma-496425450

I've not tried running a server on Windows or the Mac, but I'm sure it would work just fine.  Once you have the sever setup and the files loaded you would just point your podcast app to your server and when you're at home it'll download the podcast just fine.

It's a shame we have to go to all this trouble, but this is the only way to do it right now that I can think of.

So if you are interested in the files let me know here and then I'll go wrap them up and upload them here.  Just  don't make your podcast server public.

[Kolchak]

Update: Keith responded telling me it would be difficult to integrate their existing membership system into any platform would be difficult. (Which is why this should have been better thought out beforehand.) He also told me that the best option for ios is to download on the computer and manually sync each hour to itunes. I knew how to do this, but I have no reason to if I can stream the files in browser.

The unfortunate part is that, despite his reply, my account remains locked.

[dan7800]

Let's give this a bit of time before we blow a fuse here. I am confident Keith will find a solution. Anyone who has ever tried to run an operation 1/10th as complicated as what Keith is doing will understand all the work and variables he has to deal with.

[Morgus]

If Keith would just hire a staff of technical assistants, each to specialize in specific areas like the podcast, website, etc. they could be improved instead of now where one overworked guy who can't afford to concentrate too much time on one specific area, so just gets it barely working, not optimized. Same with the subscription payment method being stuck with paypal only.

[dan7800]

If Keith would just hire a staff of technical assistants, each to specialize in specific areas like the podcast, website, etc. they could be improved instead of now where one overworked guy who can't afford to concentrate too much time on one specific area, so just gets it barely working, not optimized. Same with the subscription payment method being stuck with paypal only.

He is going to hire people with what money?

I will give Keith a chance.

[ChairSpud]

He is going to hire people with what money?

I will give Keith a chance.

I will too, he's a pretty resourceful guy.

[Catsmile]

Whoz blowing a fuze?
Just a bit confused why no RSS from the start.
RSS isn't a new cutting edge solution, but a standard delivery method for podcast. The charm of 90's web coding only goes so far, it would seem.

I'm a pretty resourceful person also, I can deal with how it's served up. My media server will allow me to push or pull whatever media, to whatever device desired. But thats not the point, I'm thinking about people who are not as computer savvy. Folks who think we are speaking Japanese when we say RSS, Media Server, Push/Pull media, MP3, AAC, Sreaming the podcast, Downloading the podcast. Even the tech savvy have became accustom to the convenience of RSS downloading a podcast to the device of their choice after a decade.

I've downloaded bytes, stitched hundreds of binaries together, in order to make a usable file. Uphill both ways, by the sound of a modem simulating a digital train wreck. For me there is no magic in that static. No need to revisit the days of the World Wide Wait on the internet un-super byway. 

[MV/Liberace!]

Maybe you and Curtis should offer to help? I believe Curtis has a background in this sort of thing?

i'm inclined to think it's not a matter of keith needing help, but more a matter of this being the chosen way to set things up.  i haven't directly communicated with him about any of this because i don't want to be yet another email or IM from someone who doesn't like this or wants that.  i'm sure he's dealing with a lot of bullcrap messages from a lot of people these days.  however, this is a pretty significant issue, in my opinion, and needs to be addressed.

[b_dubb]

I'm enjoying the MITD show but not being able to download a show to my phone directly without involving a computer is pissing me off.  Especially when I'm paying for it.  Sub par.  Inadequate.

Come on guys.

[saab93driver]

They really need to make it work like a podcast is supposed to work.  I'll just assume they will get it figured out but right now I download the files to my drop box account then I can access them on my phone or ipad or any pc I have hooked into dropbox.   

[phrodo]

Did/does C2C have an RSS feed where you could/can get shows? Back when I had a Streamlink sub I always had to download the shows in four parts/hours to my puter. Since Keith was the originator of that system ... well looks like that's what he's doing now too.

[salinity]

Did/does C2C have an RSS feed where you could/can get shows? Back when I had a Streamlink sub I always had to download the shows in four parts/hours to my puter. Since Keith was the originator of that system ... well looks like that's what he's doing now too.

Yes, C2C has a password protected RSS (podcast) feed.  They've had it for many years, as long as I was a subscriber.

[ChairSpud]

I think C2C also has an official app and also a second party one is available too.

[dan7800]

My only request is that the show is posted in a single file to download as well as parts. This would allow me to simply hit "play" on the website and then have the entire show play as I fall asleep.

[dan7800]

I download the files to my drop box account then I can access them on my phone or ipad or any pc I have hooked into dropbox.

I really like the Dropbox idea for a work around for now. Thanks!

[phrodo]

Yes, C2C has a password protected RSS (podcast) feed.  They've had it for many years, as long as I was a subscriber.

Well it's been MANY years since I was a subscriber - because as we all know ... GEORGE NOORY SUCKS. Went there last night and didn't find a show RSS feed - just an RSS with articles - so maybe since I am not a subscriber I didn't see that option? Felt like I needed to take a shower and take my laptop with me after going there. 

[dan7800]

Well it's been MANY years since I was a subscriber - because as we all know ... GEORGE NOORY SUCKS. Went there last night and didn't find a show RSS feed - just an RSS with articles - so maybe since I am not a subscriber I didn't see that option? Felt like I needed to take a shower and take my laptop with me after going there. 

There are a few decent C2C hosts sprinkled around here and there. Don't feel so dirty. I enjoy many of Knapp's shows.

[DynamoHum]

When I was a C2C subscriber I used Stitcher to listen - the app took your Prem username and PW and then you just got a list of eps to listen to. So it is perfectly doable.

Hopefully this new app they are going to make will ease matters. 8 bucks a month is still a bargain. All of us Grandfathered in will still pay 5 though..

[weeberwubber]

My only request is that the show is posted in a single file to download as well as parts. This would allow me to simply hit "play" on the website and then have the entire show play as I fall asleep.

I concur. 3 files in this day and age is a bit weird. Nevertheless, I'm kinda glad for it because it can match the rest of the fuckery. For example, I tried listening to a show on the 35 minute drive to work. I did so by using the web browser to stream from the archive. It stopped 5 times during the drive, and each time the damn thing resets back to the beginning of the hour. If the file was three hours long I'd be hating life even more. As it is I no longer try that method. So I gotta prepare before I get on the road and have a file loaded up locally on the phone, but I haven't so I'm only caught up on half the shows so far.

Seems kind of ridiculous.

[dan7800]

Without going through iTunes, what is the best way to download the archives and listen to them on an iPhone? I am looking for an easy process as I will want to do this every night. Has anyone had any luck?

[ChairSpud]

There is no easy process, that's why we ios users are complaining while PC users keep telling us to shutup because everything is fine for them. They just have no idea.

There are a number of ways to do it. this is what I do:
Using Puffin free Browser
Copy the download link from show
Paste the link into the insert box on the en.savefrom.net page
Then click download the mp3 and choose this device

The archived show mp3 will download to the Puffin download folder, open it in Puffin and you can choose what player to use, I use FB Filebrowser.

Good luck and let's hope Art/Keith get an app going soon

[dan7800]

There is no easy process, that's why we ios users are complaining while PC users keep telling us to shutup because everything is fine for them. They just have no idea.

There are a number of ways to do it. this is what I do:
Using Puffin free Browser
Copy the download link from show
Paste the link into the insert box on the en.savefrom.net page
Then click download the mp3 and choose this device

The archived show mp3 will download to the Puffin download folder, open it in Puffin and you can choose what player to use, I use FB Filebrowser.

Good luck and let's hope Art/Keith get an app going soon

Thanks for the help. I think I will continue to just download the show onto Dropbox, and then play through my Dropbox app.

If you want to try this and need a Dropbox referral, send me a PM

[nika01]

Without going through iTunes, what is the best way to download the archives and listen to them on an iPhone? I am looking for an easy process as I will want to do this every night. Has anyone had any luck?

THe Mercury browser for IOs will allow you to save the file. Once the file is saved, it can be imported to Downcast. Its a bit of a pain, but it works. Downcast is the best playback software I have come across because it remembers where you were, and the people that authored it, support it, and actually answer inquiries.

[sbaustin]

Hi All.. I joined the board because of this thread.  I actually started writing a small web app that would produce the RSS for myself but thought I'd share if there was any other interest.  The only caveat is that you would have to submit your login/password creds for the DMDN website to my web app which allows it to login as you, pull the links to the existing files and create the RSS.   I would encrypt your login info and return a url like:

http://myrssapp.com/feed/encryptedtokenorsomethinglong

You would just use that link.  Your credentials would not be stored on my server and would just be unencrypted when you hit the url and used  to login.  If you changed your pass the RSS wouldn't work anymore.

It seems that Keith is using amazon s3 signed URLs for the podcast mp3 so I would need to pull your signed urls which is why your credentials are necessary.

Yes, I have my own subscription, more than happy to prove that to anyone, I don't need your credentials.  If you are interested or want more details, let me know.  If you think my idea sucks, that's fine too.

[MV/Liberace!]

Hi All.. I joined the board because of this thread.  I actually started writing a small web app that would produce the RSS for myself but thought I'd share if there was any other interest.  The only caveat is that you would have to submit your login/password creds for the DMDN website to my web app which allows it to login as you, pull the links to the existing files and create the RSS.   I would encrypt your login info and return a url like:

http://myrssapp.com/feed/encryptedtokenorsomethinglong

You would just use that link.  Your credentials would not be stored on my server and would just be unencrypted when you hit the url and used  to login.  If you changed your pass the RSS wouldn't work anymore.

It seems that Keith is using amazon s3 signed URLs for the podcast mp3 so I would need to pull your signed urls which is why your credentials are necessary.

Yes, I have my own subscription, more than happy to prove that to anyone, I don't need your credentials.  If you are interested or want more details, let me know.  If you think my idea sucks, that's fine too.

I would like to use this. Please give me the particulars so I can start. Thx.