Art's Show via RSS (i.e. Dogg Catcher, Beyond Pod, Downcast, etc)

chefist · August 12, 2015, 01:02:24 PM

Quote from: sbaustin on August 12, 2015, 01:00:13 PM
Send me a million bucks? Kidding.. Thanks for the great comments, maybe let Art and Co. know your appreciation too and help me test!!

Art was looking for someone to program a mobile app for MITD...seems like you have the ability to do that!

Thanks for this...I'm using Podcast Addict and it is working well!

ChairSpud · August 12, 2015, 01:05:30 PM

It appears to me the constantly changing URLs for archived MitD shows is creating problems for RSS apps that look for links they expect to find but aren't there anymore because someone's decided to keep changing them regularly. Apps that can refresh their links can work if you manually refresh in the app but you have to keep doing that to keep all the links working while other apps seem unable to refresh and can no longer download or play shows.

I understand the need to curb piracy but remember the archives are there for the convenience of subscribers (the ones paying the bill) and as time goes on I don't see how this is not going to become more of an issue as more and more subscribers experience the hassle and to be honest I don't appreciate being treated as if I'm going to share login credentials with others.

The deliberate practice of changing show URLs on a regular basis in order to prevent unauthorized downloads should be abandoned.

sbaustin · August 12, 2015, 01:11:43 PM

Quote from: ChairSpud on August 12, 2015, 01:05:30 PM
It appears to me the constantly changing URLs for archived MitD shows is creating problems for RSS apps that look for links they expect to find but aren't there anymore because someone's decided to keep changing them regularly. Apps that can refresh their links can work if you manually refresh in the app but you have to keep doing that to keep all the links working while other apps seem unable to refresh and can no longer download or play shoes.

I understand the need to curb piracy but remember the archives are there for the convenience of subscribers (the ones paying the bill) and as time goes on I don't see how this is not going to become more of an issue as more and more subscribers experience the hassle and to be honest I don't appreciate being treated as if I'm going to share login credentials with others.

The deliberate practice of changing show URLs on a regular basis in order to prevent unauthorized downloads should be abandoned.

I can't comment on the policy of it all, but I am going to change the feed to update the published date every time it is requested. Right now the RSS generator is using the internal date that doesn't change. I *think* this should help with the podcast hopefully recognizing that a change might have happened. I'll message back when done and hopefully some of you can let me know if it is better over time.

sbaustin · August 12, 2015, 01:11:57 PM

Quote from: chefist on August 12, 2015, 01:02:24 PM
Art was looking for someone to program a mobile app for MITD...seems like you have the ability to do that!

Thanks for this...I'm using Podcast Addict and it is working well!

Working on that!

Dave · August 12, 2015, 01:25:51 PM

Tried various android browsers and podcast players...no luck. D/L'ed Podcast Addict and all is good! Thanks for the posts.

griffen247 · August 12, 2015, 01:41:40 PM

Question to anyone who can answer, and clear up some confusion, I'm short on time to try to see if it's been asked/answered anywhere.

Is the live show the only time a listener will hear the show with the bumper music/news included?

RSS feed looked pretty good via iTunes yesterday, but I've not had a chance yet to test RSS as far a listening to a show is concerned, but I'm assuming the feed will be the edited to archive version of that days show? So no bumper music etc?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer this for me..... for some reason being on BellGab while I'm at work is comparable to Facebook, so can't lurk at work.......... fuck you Zuckerberg, in case you've sucked this up with data-mining already, I may as well make sure a shout out gets to you in that case!

Dr.Fate · August 12, 2015, 01:48:40 PM

I now have lost the login page for the Time Travelers. Anyone else able to login via a web browser to the show archives? I am finding this frustrating, but I remain patient. I will come back tonight. I have to hit the bricks for now.

griffen247 · August 12, 2015, 01:50:57 PM

Quote from: Dr.Fate on August 12, 2015, 01:48:40 PM
I now have lost the login page for the Time Travelers. Anyone else able to login via a web browser to the show archives? I am finding this frustrating, but I remain patient. I will come back tonight. I have to hit the bricks for now.

Yep still there dude, was just in it....

http://darkmatterdigitalnetwork.com/members/login/

sbaustin · August 12, 2015, 04:24:13 PM

I pushed a change out a bit ago force updating the pubDates. I'm curious to see if it fixes everyone's issues. What I think is happening is that the original pub date never changes inside the internal system although the podcast urls change everytime they are requested in the feed or when you login to the website. Hopefully this will cause the apps to make sure and update each podcast in their list. Let me know if this latest change fixes some of those issues for you. You still may need to refresh the feed manually but it should update those links with valid mp3's.

Dave · August 12, 2015, 04:32:23 PM

Now getting 400 error "bad syntax"

Demontooth · August 12, 2015, 05:15:26 PM

Pocketcasts is not giving me the new show either. Did the username:password/URL address.

WavelengthZero · August 12, 2015, 05:18:47 PM

In Podcast Addict I discovered how to update the url for individual episodes then download them. You need to select "Refresh content from RSS" then download it. There are a few ways to do this. You can long press on an episode, then from the menu select "Refresh content from RSS". Or you can go to the episode page, then tap on the menu icon (3 vertical dots in the upper right corner) and select "Refresh content from RSS".

From those same menus you can copy the url to the clipboard and verify that it changes after the refresh.

You can also update more than one episode at a time by first tapping the check mark icon at the top on the episode list screen, then tapping several episodes, then using the option menu (3 vertical dots) to "Refresh content from RSS". You can also use the menu to choose "select all" then refresh.

There are 2 minor problems with this. Any episode that was already downloaded will be deleted and you will have to redownload it if you refresh the RSS for that episode. It also changes the publication dates, so now the episodes are out of order.

This is all only necessary if you want to download older episodes. If you just set Podcast Addict to download new episodes whenever you refresh, then it works great.

sbaustin · August 12, 2015, 05:23:37 PM

The publish date thing is problematic. I am going to check out a couple other paid behind a login podcast to see what they do.

WavelengthZero · August 12, 2015, 06:16:46 PM

May I throw out a suggestion?

Don't have the URLs expire, but do have an identifier for the particular subscriber in the URL. Then record in a database each time that URL is used to download the episode. Limit the number of downloads from this URL to some small number (say 5). This prevents someone from posting the download link, or at least limits the damage, but still allows a legitimate subscriber to download to several devices or reload the episode if they delete it. Do different devices create different URLs for the same subscriber? If so, then it's even less of a problem to limit the number of downloads from a particular generated URL.

I suspect piracy won't be from subscribers posting links that contain a code which identifies them, but rather from someone posting the actual file, so having a URL that expires does nothing to prevent this, but the above solution will make things work perfectly for almost all subscribers.

If you are recording stats in a database, you can also check to see if there is any abuse, like a particular subscriber generating many new URLs. Then you can deal with this subscriber individually.

sbaustin · August 12, 2015, 06:23:23 PM

Quote from: WavelengthZero on August 12, 2015, 06:16:46 PM
May I throw out a suggestion?

Don't have the URLs expire, but do have an identifier for the particular subscriber in the URL. Then record in a database each time that URL is used to download the episode. Limit the number of downloads from this URL to some small number (say 5). This prevents someone from posting the download link, or at least limits the damage, but still allows a legitimate subscriber to download to several devices or reload the episode if they delete it. Do different devices create different URLs for the same subscriber? If so, then it's even less of a problem to limit the number of downloads from a particular generated URL.

I suspect piracy won't be from subscribers posting links that contain a code which identifies them, but rather from someone posting the actual file, so having a URL that expires does nothing to prevent this, but the above solution will make things work perfectly for almost all subscribers.

If you are recording stats in a database, you can also check to see if there is any abuse, like a particular subscriber generating many new URLs. Then you can deal with this subscriber individually.

I'll pass this along to Keith.. I'm just trying to make it all work for the feed! I am testing another idea.

ChairSpud · August 12, 2015, 07:45:08 PM

Quote from: WavelengthZero on August 12, 2015, 06:16:46 PM
May I throw out a suggestion?

Don't have the URLs expire, but do have an identifier for the particular subscriber in the URL. Then record in a database each time that URL is used to download the episode. Limit the number of downloads from this URL to some small number (say 5). This prevents someone from posting the download link, or at least limits the damage, but still allows a legitimate subscriber to download to several devices or reload the episode if they delete it. Do different devices create different URLs for the same subscriber? If so, then it's even less of a problem to limit the number of downloads from a particular generated URL.

I suspect piracy won't be from subscribers posting links that contain a code which identifies them, but rather from someone posting the actual file, so having a URL that expires does nothing to prevent this, but the above solution will make things work perfectly for almost all subscribers.

If you are recording stats in a database, you can also check to see if there is any abuse, like a particular subscriber generating many new URLs. Then you can deal with this subscriber individually.

I agree, piracy will obviously come from someone posting a downloaded or recorded copy of the show and other than somehow coding an identifier unique to each subscribers download is see no way to stop it. That's why I see the current method used to curb piracy unnecessary and a nuisance for subscribers never mind a headache for poor SBAustin to try and work around.

As far a limiting the number of downloads per show, I see it as an unfair restriction on subscribers that they didn't bargain for when they subscribed with very limited potential of actually reducing piracy and I wonder if it may violate PayPal policy? Also how would you deal with streaming the show via podcast player, only 5 times and that's it too?

Quote from: sbaustin on August 12, 2015, 06:23:23 PM
I'll pass this along to Keith.. I'm just trying to make it all work for the feed! I am testing another idea.

I sure hope Keith doesn't try to limit downloads or number of streamed plays per show, I suspect he may have real problems on his hands. I'd like to see Keith reconsider his current method and instead opt for delivering a more positive podcast experience for all subscribers.

Personally I subscribe for the convenience and to support Art but would seriously reconsider if downloads were capped. I'm already recording the show nightly unattended via TotalRecorder Pro to my local network so can go back to playing that.

WavelengthZero · August 13, 2015, 06:03:33 AM

Quote from: ChairSpud on August 12, 2015, 07:45:08 PMAs far a limiting the number of downloads per show, I see it as an unfair restriction on subscribers that they didn't bargain for when they subscribed with very limited potential of actually reducing piracy and I wonder if it may violate PayPal policy? Also how would you deal with streaming the show via podcast player, only 5 times and that's it too?

I didn't suggest limiting total downloads, just downloads per the generated URL, so a user would have to somehow update the feed with new URLs to download more. I hadn't considered streaming and how that works. Perhaps the limit could be 50 per generated URL, just some way to prevent a link getting out on the Internet and allowing hundreds of free downloads. In any case, it's not hard to record in a database how many times the file is downloaded or streamed from a particular user and what IP address downloaded it. With that info Keith could monitor for abuse.

sbaustin · August 13, 2015, 06:21:32 AM

First, I am only posting this a fellow listener so it is my opinion. I don't think Keith is limiting anyone's ability to download the show with regards to caps/# downloads/etc. I think the intent of the expiring URLs is more about bandwidth costs and less about piracy. You can still download the mp3 and a pirate could still post them somewhere else right now. Back to the expiring URLs, if they didn't expire they'd get posted publicly. Obviously as pointed out tools could be built to handle this, but you have to then start handling it, spending time dealing with it/etc. The show was just launched and they are considering all options no doubt so I'm sure this process will evolve. I have spoken to Keith quite a lot the last week so I know your comments are heard, where it lands have no idea!

skidder · August 13, 2015, 10:02:43 AM

Any suggestions for a podacast app for windows phone. I can't get anything working. Yes, I know windows phone is shit (it's not!)...thanks

sbaustin · August 13, 2015, 10:37:32 AM

Quote from: skidder on August 13, 2015, 10:02:43 AM
Any suggestions for a podacast app for windows phone. I can't get anything working. Yes, I know windows phone is shit (it's not!)...thanks

I haven't located my windows test devices.. This weekend I'll see if I can help you out.

skidder · August 13, 2015, 10:38:03 AM

4th apps a charm, podcast lounge

Seems to work fine, it's a paid app but it seems good

Thanks

MV/Liberace! · August 13, 2015, 11:09:56 AM

Quote from: griffen247 on August 12, 2015, 07:02:48 AM
Dude.... you're a paid subscriber, and absent the RSS feed, logging in to the archive and downloading the show was a pain in the goddamn ass?

yes, it was a pain in the ass on a mobile device, which is how probably half of the audience, if not more, is hearing the show. i'm glad you were happy with the experience from your 1995 packard bell, but on a mobile device, it sucked.

MV/Liberace! · August 13, 2015, 11:16:11 AM

Quote from: skidder on August 13, 2015, 10:02:43 AM
Any suggestions for a podacast app for windows phone. I can't get anything working. Yes, I know windows phone is shit (it's not!)...thanks

last night i had a dream that i used a windows phone and loved it. again, it was just a dream.

ziznak · August 13, 2015, 01:18:27 PM

new mitd link working for rssradio for all you I-shits!! (osom not so much working)

apparently I'm an I-shit now too!

Demontooth · August 13, 2015, 04:36:17 PM

In Pocketcasts you have to:

If you have special characters in your login, replace them with these replacements:
Replace @ with %40
Replace the . with %2E

Demontooth · August 13, 2015, 04:36:45 PM

In Pocketcasts you have to:

If you have special characters in your login, replace them with these replacements:
Replace @ with %40
Replace the . with %2E

sbaustin · August 13, 2015, 07:11:19 PM

Quote from: Demontooth on August 13, 2015, 04:36:45 PM
In Pocketcasts you have to:

If you have special characters in your login, replace them with these replacements:
Replace @ with %40
Replace the . with %2E

Thanks Demontooth for tracking that down. You can also replace the @ with two or three underscores as the rss generator will replace them with an @ when it authenticates you. I hadn't had any issues with the . yet but wouldn't surprise me to see that causing issues in some apps.

littlechris · August 13, 2015, 07:22:58 PM

I know Art and Keith talked about using the RSS feed the other night, but I did not understand and I am still in the dark.

Can someone please produce a video on how to work Art Bells's RSS feed and explain what the hell it is. For us old people please.

The video can be uploaded to youtube and keith could link it on artbell.com.

chefist · August 13, 2015, 07:25:43 PM

Quote from: Demontooth on August 13, 2015, 04:36:45 PM
In Pocketcasts you have to:

If you have special characters in your login, replace them with these replacements:
Replace @ with %40
Replace the . with %2E

The %2E fixed my glitch! Thanks! Oh its on Podcast Addict

The @ was automatically replaced by %40, but not the .

sbaustin · August 13, 2015, 07:29:45 PM

Quote from: littlechris on August 13, 2015, 07:22:58 PM
I know Art and Keith talked about using the RSS feed the other night, but I did not understand and I am still in the dark.

Can someone please produce a video on how to work Art Bells's RSS feed and explain what the hell it is. For us old people please.

The video can be uploaded to youtube and keith could link it on artbell.com.

Do you have a smart phone? If so, which one, android (google) or iPhone (apple)?