Billy Meier - Michael Horn

[MH is a Liar]

Yeah, but which bathrooms should the Pleiadians be using?

Great question.  In theory, I would say whichever they are most comfortable with.  However, in practice, they only ever go where and when Michael goes.  Because they only exist in his head.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Where's MH?  It's impossible to believe the Playdohians didn't predict Orlando, Istanbul, and Brexit.  I hope the Horndog didn't overindulge in the egg nog and wind up pinned under his Tibetan fap board again. 

[MichaelHorn]

Find out exactly what they predicted:

Michael Horn on C2C - Monday, July 4th!

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2016/07/04

...you'll be surprised!

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Find out exactly what they predicted:

Michael Horn on C2C - Monday, July 4th!

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2016/07/04

...you'll be surprised!

That was quick! Did you psychically sense me posting, or have you just been lurking for the past few days waiting for someone to broach the subject?  Either way, I don't blame you for not casting your new pearls before a few BG swine when you'll be presenting them to the entire C2C herd in a few days.  You win this round, you sinewy, sinuous sprite.  It's no wonder the Mona Lisa has nothing on you when it comes to sly, seductive smiles, because your mind operates in a complex, multi-layered way that most of us will never comprehend. 

Since surprises are few and far between at my age, I will try to tune in if I'm not too worn out from celebrating most of the 4th by grinding the BG Brit Pack's faces in the dirt with a stream of pungent reminders of how we broke free from the chafing yoke of their tyrannical colonial rule and used it to whup their pale, spotty, red trousered bums back to their damp, dreary island, and then did it again when they had the ill-advised cheek to try it again a couple of decades later.  I love the smell of fireworks and schadenfreude on Independence Day.

[MichaelHorn]

Simply my sinewy, sinuous, spidey senses. Even I will never comprehend exactly how I do it.

[henge0stone]

I think Meier's continued appearances underlines what is wrong with not only C2C but most Paranormal podcasts and shows today. I understand that most of the field is BS but there has to be a point where you cut off a BS guest. That's why I hated Ed Dames so much he was wrong over and over again but he kept coming on. But these shows are desperate because there really are only so many people who look into the paranormal and with most being BS you end up backed into a corner, forced to deal with the same hucksters over and over again.

[Camazotz Automat]

Since surprises are few and far between at my age, I will try to tune in if I'm not too worn out from celebrating most of the 4th by grinding the BG Brit Pack's faces in the dirt with a stream of pungent reminders of how we broke free from the chafing yoke of their tyrannical colonial rule and used it to whup their pale, spotty, red trousered bums back to their damp, dreary island, and then did it again when they had the ill-advised cheek to try it again a couple of decades later.  I love the smell of fireworks and schadenfreude on Independence Day.

Holy Tea Time Smack-down, Batman!

Luckily, drawing first blood doesn't so easily show up on their Red Coats (though embarrassed red faces are not as easily concealed by textiles.)

You want one lump or two, Mr. Elliott?!

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Holy Tea Time Smack-down, Batman!

Luckily, drawing first blood doesn't so easily show up their Red Coats (though embarrassed red faces are not as easily concealed by textiles.)

You want one lump or two, Mr. Elliott?!

I was thinking at least three.

"I'm afraid the yoke's gonna be on you this time, Nigel."

[starrmtn001]

Yeah, but which bathrooms should the Pleiadians be using?  Michael?

The Pleiadians are the Seven Sisters, so . . . .    (dummkopf). :

[MichaelHorn]

http://theyflyblog.com/2016/07/04/independence-from-us-warmongering/

[MH is a Liar]

Michael Horn making fun of transgender people on the day their community suffers most horrific attack on US soil since 9/11:

http://theyflyblog.com/2016/06/12/why-is-it-enough-to-believe/

No surprises there though, really. Horn's conman boss has been a vocal homophobe for decades:

297. If two men engage in sexual love, this compares to two burrowing boars which try to mate in a stinking puddle.

Lesbians are nice though of course:

298. Two women united in sexual love are a lovely blended unit, like husband and wife, like the sun ray which conceals light and warmth within.

How anyone takes this clown serious is beyond me.  Anyway, looking forward to hearing about all the things Meier "predicted" after the event happened. He really is one of the best at that. 

Which reminds me, still waiting on a link to that article you wrote concerning the evidence for the authenticity of those 1950's letters.  Oh that's right, you lied about it having written such an article.  Right after saying you've never lied about the Meier evidence.  You won't respond to this of course, because you have no response. 

You should bring your tin foil hat blog readers over here, they always give me a good crack-up!   

[MichaelHorn]

Hey, Dope,

Oh me, oh my. I love these people who toss around the term “liar”. I’ve never lied about anything in the Meier case. There’s no need to of course.

And any THINKING person could easily figure out that not a one of Meier’s specific examples of prophetically accurate information’s ever backdated. Ok, I did say THINKING person.

One fun little example of how the twists and dumbos fall all over themselves is here:

http://www.theyfly.com/Confirming-Meier.htm

…because in their fervor to “prove” Meier hoaxed his information about Jupiter, etc., they actually ended up…CORROBORATING his authenticity.

Don’t expect the resident dope to understand it though. He’d actually have to read it and check the various dates of publication, which show that the best of the skeptic’s work confirmed Meier’s PRE-knowledge of this, the most important information form the Voyager mission.

Of course there’s lots more but this should be sufficient now…for any REASONABLE person, that is.

Happy Froth of You Lie.

[PB the Deplorable]

Hey, Dope,

Oh me, oh my. I love these people who toss around the term “liar”. I’ve never lied about anything in the Meier case. There’s no need to of course...

It's true.  The 'predictions' and comments are broad enough and vague enough to be applied to any event.  No dates are included so anything that hasn't occurred yet is still in the future.

[MichaelHorn]

Weeeeeell, two people who can't think their way out of a paper bag open at both ends. For those who CAN think:


Confirming Meier’s Jupiter Information
and
Debunking the Incorrect Debunkers…Again


I am revisiting the Jupiter-Io information in the Billy Meier case because someone on astronomer Stuart Robbins' blog recently reffered to the skeptical attack posted at the IIG website in 2004

As the information below will show, point by point, Meier's publication of the Jupiter-Io information - including that Io is the most volcanically active body in the solar system (the most important discovery of the Voyager mission) - was verifiably published long before "official discovery" by NASA.

Faced with this ironclad proof, Stuart Robbins still refused to even look at the information himself. Such is the level of prejudice, denial and religious fundamentalism of those who call themselves skeptics. It is clearly unscientific, to say the least.

Please also pay especial attention to points number 2. and 7. below, where the skeptic himself validates Meier's information. I had missed this the first time I saw the skeptical article, years ago. This alone means that the skeptics have actually confirmed Meier's accuracy.


The Real Question

In going over the skeptical attempt, once should ask why Ike42, a dedicated, anonymous skeptic â€" using the internet and a huge library â€" couldn’t find the other information that both corroborates and vindicates Meier?

After all, Ike42 himself says:

“My research resources were the internet and the Marriott Library at the University of Utah. I located most of the historical information using these databases:

JSTOR (Science journal)
LexisNexis Academic (major newspapers and magazines)
ProQuest (New York Times Historical archive)
EBSCO (others)”

Going through the Points

Let’s go through the points he raised, one by one. Since there is nothing significant in point 1. to discuss, pro or con, we'll look at…

2. 115th Contact: Miscellaneous Facts

“All of these facts are still believed to be true. All of them were reported in news articles during March 1979…”

Here Ike42 doesn’t dispute that Meier’s right, he simply tries to evade the issue by referring to unknown and unnamed sources, which he admits were dated after Meier was proven to have published the information!

Now don’t go rushing to the conclusion that he’s secretly on “our side”. He’s not. He’s just trying to be dismissive of nine specific scientific facts that Meier published before they were "officially discovered" - effectively validating Meier!

3. 115th Contact: Composition of Ring

“Michael Horn's article claims that the first time scientists reported that Jupiter's ring was made of small particles was August 1995. I found many articles before that. For example, the ring is reported to contain particles in all of these:

Aviation Week, 12 March 1979 [AW1]
New York Times, 1 April 1979 [NYT11]
New York Times, 12 July 1979 [NYT12]
New York Times, 31 July 1979 [NYT13]
Science, 23 November 1979 [Sci3]
This information is still believed to be true.”

… again, why â€" does he list sources verifiably dated after Meier was proven to have published the information? Stevens already had the information on March 9. The earliest date Ike42 mentions is March 12…the day of the “official announcement”.

We have to remember that Meier's information was first published on October 19, 1978, five months before the earliest date cited by Ike42.

4. 115th Contact: Amalthea

“The moon closest to Jupiter (Amalthea) ‘would only measure approximately 200 km in length, which I defined as a gigantic hen's egg.’"

Typical of the integrity characteristic of pseudo-scientific skeptics, Ike 42 didn’t include Meier’s actual quote (emphasis added), “I believe it was the moon closest to Jupiter, the name of which I do not remember any more.” Meier forgot which moon it was but “approximately 200 km in length” is still acceptable.

5. 115th Contact: Io's Ocean

Regarding Meier stating that Io once had water on its surface, Ike42 states, “Meier's incorrect information again matches incorrect information reported in the media.”

Really? What about this, "Computer models suggest Io formed in a region around Jupiter where water ice was plentiful. Io's heat, combined with the resulting possibility of liquid water, could have made life plausible.
'There must have been quite a lot of water on Io shortly after formation, judging from the amount of water ice on Europa and Ganymede,' said Schulze-Makuch"?

Couldn’t he find the true facts in the library and on the internet in 2004…as easily as he assumed Meier was getting them in 1979 from, well from…whom or what? Of course maybe the true facts weren't available on the internet in 2004. But they are now and they confirm the accuracy of Meier's information.


6. 115th Contact: Eruption Info

It’s almost too foolish to comment on. Meier gave approximate figures for a phenomenon that…wasn’t even known at the time he published them. It turns out that his approximations were certainly close enough.

7. 115th Contact: Io Plasma Torus

“If Jupiter's ring is what Meier meant, then the described composition is wrong. I have found no report that Jupiter's ring contains sulfur ions. The Io plasma torus, on the other hand, is thought to primarily consist of sulfur ions. This was widely reported in 1979 (and is still reported today)…”

I have skipped to the second reference that he included, which couldn’t be clearer but emphasis added anyway:

New York Times, 12 March 1979 [NYT8]
‘The extremely ionized sulfur particles found in the huge ring encircling Jupiter at the orbit of Io’*

So Ike42 absolutely contradicts himself and includes published evidence that…Meier was correct! And â€" again â€" it wasn’t published until the day of the “official announcement”.

8. 115th Contact: Source of Jupiter's Ring

Yes, contrary to Ike42’s assertions, Meier was also correct about material in Jupiter’s ring being composed of dust particles from volcanoes on Io, take a look: “It is also likely that volcanic particles from Io contribute to Jupiter's faint ring system.” (Search: http://www.astronomy-education.com/ for "Jupiter’s moons and rings"; see last sentence). And note that it’s already established that the volcanic particles from Io’s volcanoes indeed contain sulfur.

And there's even more information about it here:

“Although dust always is entering the solar system, it also is escaping, said Colwell. Research by CU's Horanyi in 1993 using Ulysses spacecraft data indicated that some of the microscopic dust particles originating from volcanoes on Jupiter's moon, Io, were traveling in streams at more than 100 miles per second. This allowed them not only to escape Jupiter's magnetic grip but to escape from the solar system as well, said Colwell.”

And notice the information here about the discovery in April of 1979, which also would have been impossible for Meier to have access to.

Glaring Omission

Ike42 seems to have omitted one hugely important fact, i,e, that Meier specifically stated - on October 19, 1978 - that Io is the most volcanically active body in the solar system. This was not only confirmed by NASA five months later - on March 12, 1979 - but was announced as the MOST important discovery of the entire Voyager mission.

Conclusion

There is absolutely nothing credible or accurate about Ike42’s so-called “research”...except that he actually corroborates and validates Meier's information and just fails to notice it.

So is there any other conclusion that can logically be drawn other than that Meier got there first, with the help of the Plejaren?




Michael Horn
September 26, 2011

[Morgus]

Find out exactly what they predicted:

Michael Horn on C2C - Monday, July 4th!

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2016/07/04

...you'll be surprised!

Only a little over 2 hours to go now?

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Break a mitten. Michael! Take it easy on the egg nog, and try to be gracious to the callers who respectfully disagree with you.  Nobody likes a guest who acts like Mr. Crabby Pants.  This is your next big chance, so don't bollix it up. Cheers!

[MichaelHorn]

...and that's how it's done.

Thank you.

[Morgus]

Michael, tonight you mentioned that Pres Jimmy Carter was offered ET contact, but refused it.
Is it known what the reason behind that refusal was?
Has any other President(s) been offered ET contact before or after him?

[PB the Deplorable]

Ok Michael, there's going to be a big story in the news during the next week or two that will grab the world's attention.  Maybe today.

Us lesser people have no way of knowing what these events will be.  Much of the time it's something manufactured by the media.  Well, maybe not manufactured, but given more focus and coverage than other incidents of equal or greater importance.

Since the rest of us have no idea what that is going to be, but you continue to make all sorts of claims about 'predictions' and such, why not tell us what the big story is going to be over the next couple of weeks?  And no, don't do something like look at Obama's calendar, see what big speech he may be giving, and speculate on some issue he'll talk about that will be played up.  No guessing about the results of some election.  A real prediction.

If you can't do that, why not, and what good is all this crap you're pushing?

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

...and that's how it's done.

Thank you.

If your intention was to sound jittery and disjointed then you certainly did that.  I'm guessing you didn't heed my warning about the egg nog.  I know you could do better if you really applied yourself and worked up to your ability.  I have to give you a C+.

[MH is a Liar]

 "I’ve never lied about anything in the Meier case."

This is getting Trump-esque.  When truth is so thoroughly disregarded, when virtually everything you say is a lie, somehow I guess this becomes not lies anymore but just mere symptom of utter delusion. 

"And any THINKING person could easily figure out that not a one of Meier’s specific examples of prophetically accurate information’s ever backdated."

One last attempt to hold you to just two of the things you've lied about in the last couple pages of this thread.  Michael, where is the evidence for the 50's letters you claimed you have written about?  Don't forget one of your favorite Meierism's:  "No answer is an answer!"

As for no backdating.  Well, the 50's letters represent one instance.  But how about a more recent example -- Ice Man.  You asked for million dollars from James Randi, because Meier supposedly published that the Ice Man died with arrow stuck in his back before this arrow was discovered

Unsurprisingly, as it turned out,  the arrow part of the contact was NOT in original publication...but simply BACKDATED into the contact in later publications.  Same way he did with the age of Ice Man.  Meier's first publication dated Ice man around 4k years old, consistent with terrestrial scientific estimates.  And then later edition, Meier dates Ice Man around 5k, AFTER science changes their estimates.  No mention that these details were added/changed, i.e., Meier BACKDATED the contact report.

This is just one of several dozens of examples that your friend Mahigitam has found where Meier backdated.  And you know this.  But you are a serial liar, so you go on pretending as if these don't exist. 

I'm sure you'll say these were just typos or something.  Crazy how Meier routinely commits typos that match exactly with contemporary erroneous scientific info!  Or you could just take the position of any non-delusional person, and infer Meier lies about source of contact report info.  Ok, I did say any non-delusional person. 

If you've never lied about Meier, please point us in direction of your supposed article about the evidence for the '50's letters.  You won't, because you haven't written anything about it, because you lied, just as you lie routinely about Meier evidence. 

As evidenced by the absolutely stunning quality of your blog commenters, you are only fooling the desperate tin hat wearers.  And you whine that Michio Kaku, Neil Degrasse Tyson, etc, won't take a serious look at Meier... too funny.

I caught the last bit of the show last night, I literally did one of those spray the drink out of the mouth in laughter things when you said that line. 

What really is amazing about you is that you actually seem to really believe all this still, even knowing Meier publishes plagiarized spiritual books, plagiarized photos, plagiarized predictions, and plagiarized scientific info.  Really quite something.

[Uncle Duke]

If your intention was to sound jittery and disjointed then you certainly did that.  I'm guessing you didn't heed my warning about the egg nog.  I know you could do better if you really applied yourself and worked up to your ability.  I have to give you a C+.

Hey Ghost--

Last night's C2C was the first time I've listened to Horn, although I've long known about the Meier scam.  Is Horn always as disjointed and silly as he was with George?

[Jackstar]

the transgender community ON THE VERY DAY they suffered their worst attack ever?   How offensive can you get???

Y'all know that event was as queer false flag as a three-dollar bill, right? Y'all are just playin', right?

You don't actually believe the bullshit story you were told, do you now?

[MichaelHorn]

I'm terribly sorry; what were you saying? As you can probably still see, the map at www.theyfly.com is lit up like a Christmas try, what with thousands of people all over the world visiting as a result of C2C. Plus, I'm swamped with correspondence, etc., now because of it, so do take good care and..gripe on!

[MichaelHorn]

P.S. You guys musta loved it when George said he could listen to me talk about the Meier prophecies all night. You truly are honored to have me contribute here, I know.

[MichaelHorn]

P.P.S. Anyone here good with filling orders, you know, packing, shipping, etc.?

Please send a resume!

[PB the Deplorable]

P.S. You guys musta loved it when George said he could listen to me talk about the Meier prophecies all night...

Yep, that actually made sense

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Hey Ghost--

Last night's C2C was the first time I've listened to Horn, although I've long known about the Meier scam.  Is Horn always as disjointed and silly as he was with George?

It's been awhile since I last heard him, but he tended to be much more relaxed and focused  than the flibbertigibbet we heard last night. Although he was notorious for occasionally flying off the handle and   trying to take the hide off especially persistent skeptical callers, he usually presented his story in a mostly coherent, straightforward way.  He's probably just out of practice.  I'm sure he'll do much better when he presents his evidence to Doctors Kaku and Tyson when they finally get together for an internationally televised round table discussion. 

[zeebo]

It's been awhile since I last heard him, but he tended to be much more relaxed and focused  than the flibbertigibbet we heard last night. ...

I only caught a few minutes, but he did sound a bit flibbertigibbety.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

I only caught a few minutes, but he did sound a bit flibbertigibbety.

You could have tuned in at any time and heard the same flibbertigibbetousnous, so whatever else you did instead most likely wasn't time misspent. 

Speaking of which, how did your martini fest go the other night?