Art Bell

[Freyja]

This generation scares the hell out of me...

Thanks to "safe spaces", calls for abolishing the first amendment for 'hurt feelings", overuse of the ignore feature on forums and general idiocy- We now have critics and anyone questioning anything (or disagreeing) labeled as "Trolls" and "haters"- Its a scary, sad world.

Look kiddies, not everyone with a differing opinion is a "troll" and not everyone who thinks that your lord and master is lying is a "Hater" - And the idea there is a conspiracy that involves anyone (Alphabet agencies, premrat or noory) paying anyone to come here to try and make Art look bad (when he is doing a fine job of making himself look bad for free)  is just a total lack of critical thinking, objectivity and sanity.

-Amusing, but scary....

+111111111 

[Chronaut]

That's not lying. That's making a statement which later proved incorrect. He may have thought George would be a decent replacement at the time, and you can't prove otherwise. It was a bad call, but it wasn't a deliberate lie.

Actually Art talked about this already, and I've told Night Train about this already:  Art was heavily pressured by Premiere/ClearChannel to say those exact words on the air, because the audience was already speaking out against him and they thought his only shot was an endorsement from Art.

I still remember hearing Art say that on the air, and hearing the conflict in his voice when he said them.  I actually cringed when I heard it.  It was the only time I felt that way listening to Art, and it was years before he told the story about it.  Iirc, they basically guilted him into it, but there may have been additional factors as well.

Pretty weak though, if that's the only case of deceit someone can dredge up from 25+ years of broadcasting.

[ponyboysunset]

If I had to guess (which I don't, yet I will), Art got out his checkbook and ponied up some cash, to keep the network viable... for at least another month.

Maybe Santa brought it? 

[munbeam666]

What's terrible about it?  AFAIK it's just Palmolive w different perfume & sl different coloring, molded in a different shape.  I can agree with you that the perfume is unpleasant if that's what you mean, but are you saying the soap base itself is terrible?

Its full of chemicals , not healthy for your skin. My deceased husband used to buy the crap - sometimes I used to throw it out the window

[SredniVashtar]

It was a statement with no foundation in fact, which Art couldn't back up.

And if he was telling the truth as he understood it, then why does he now say the only reason he said it was because Premiere pressured him into it?  You generally don't need to be pressured into saying things you honestly believe.

Saying 'George gets' it' isn't something that can be verified one way or the other. At worst Art was guilty of wishful thinking and probably hoped that, even if Noory wasn't a stellar replacement, he had the potential to grow into the role. Trying to criticise him for playing the corporate game a bit is unfair. We all have to eat a little shit from time to time, that's just part of life. You can't sit in your ivory tower and pretend you never get your hands dirty.

If you want to prove Art was a liar you need to try a little harder than that.

[Sandra Kristen]

Off topic but whats the deal with Art sabotaging Hoglands show? Ive seen it alluded to a few times- I thought they were friends and why would keith want to sabotage a show on his network? Not saying I disbelieve it but whats the story? TBH , I cannot believe Hogland had is own show- he is boring as a guest.

Like Norland said he didn't wish me Happy Birthday! 

The real story is that Hoaxie used to have a producer named Ross. Ross was a great producer who booked amazing guests and showed us how incompetent Heather was at her job. One weekend Hoaxie and Ross got into a fight and Ross quit the show in dramatic fashion. Art, having set up Ross with Hoaxie got pissed at Hoaxie. A month or so later there was a coordinated prank fest on Hoaxie's show that Ross said was authorized and implied it had Art's blessings. Art even made a post on Bellgab saying he and Hoaxie no longer spoke and he was mad about what happen to Ross.

There are other items that have been told to me in confidence. But that is the very basics of the story.

Hoaxie's show was consistently better than the shit show Art was offering when Ross was the producer. Hoaxie's new producer is absolutely awful and has ruined the show.

[Freyja]

First off, Yes I will readily admit there ARE organizations working online to change public opinion, discredit and control dialogue on certain subjects and persons- Art Bell is not one of them. Art Bell has very little sway on anything and discredits himself everytime he goes on air for the past decade and a half...

Next, to take your definition of trolling - What is Art doing? he gets his fans hopes up again and again, builds up excitement (sometimes his fans are becoming monetary involved ala Sirius) and then quits with dramatic flair and tall tales- How many times now? Whos trolling who my friend? The onlyone I see 'trolling' is Art bell- AGAIN. Doing the same thing...

Its said (accredited to Einstein which is incorrect) that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. YOU people are both being trolled and enabling Insanity by blind acceptance of what an objective person would see many, many problems with.

How many times now?

You better stop all this rational thought...that makes you a TROLL!!! 

[Totally Not The Stalker]

I feel really bad for keith tbh.

I hope it works out for him. he put alot into this.

I don't. How many times does Art have to fuck him over before he comes to his senses?

[onan]

Like Norland said he didn't wish me Happy Birthday! 
One weekend Hoaxie and Ross got into a fight and Ross quit the show in dramatic fashion.

Ross, was on a phone call with his mother. He didn't pick up a call from Hoagland. Hoagland upon contacting Ross, stated Ross' life was no longer his own, and that he was indebted to Hoagland. Ross told him to piss off. A much less aggressive response than I would have offered.

[DarKPenguiN]

Saying 'George gets' it' isn't something that can be verified one way or the other. At worst Art was guilty of wishful thinking and probably hoped that, even if Noory wasn't a stellar replacement, he had the potential to grow into the role. Trying to criticise him for playing the corporate game a bit is unfair. We all have to eat a little shit from time to time, that's just part of life. You can't sit in your ivory tower and pretend you never get your hands dirty.

If you want to prove Art was a liar you need to try a little harder than that.

Art has other lies...

What was the perp charged with for "kidnapping his son"? (hint: wasnt charged with kidnapping but for not revealing his HIV to a willing sex partner)- Theres a video on the internet that goes into the whole thing. Not saying it wasnt a horrible situation , however- the events were not told in a truthful manner according to what ive seen and heard by a person ART BELL SUED who then made a video about that particular story with no lawsuit and its still available online.

Art Bell sued the guy once already so if his information was incorrect on that I would imagine Art would have sued again.

[Freyja]

Art's crazy behavior over the past several years has done far more to discredit these topics than the CIA could ever have done.

No NT...you have it all wrong.

Art is the victim of a massive mind control experiment at the hands of all the alphabet agencies. Every time his handler provides him with the trigger he quits, then his handler provides him with another trigger and he un-quits, doesn't retire...well you know... 

[onan]

Art has other lies...

Wow, Art has lied, no fucking way, bro. No fucking way!

[SciFiAuthor]

You better stop all this rational thought...that makes you a TROLL!!! 

Pfffft, you act like you even liked MITD. All you did was post complaints the whole way through the show's run, and now you're complaining about how Art left. For crying out loud, it's trolling.

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

Off topic but whats the deal with Art sabotaging Hoglands show? Ive seen it alluded to a few times- I thought they were friends and why would keith want to sabotage a show on his network? Not saying I disbelieve it but whats the story? TBH , I cannot believe Hogland had is own show- he is boring as a guest.

Like Norland said he didn't wish me Happy Birthday! 

The real story is that Hoaxie used to have a producer named Ross. Ross was a great producer who booked amazing guests and showed us how incompetent Heather was at her job. One weekend Hoaxie and Ross got into a fight and Ross quit the show in dramatic fashion. Art, having set up Ross with Hoaxie got pissed at Hoaxie. A month or so later there was a coordinated prank fest on Hoaxie's show that Ross said was authorized and implied it had Art's blessings. Art even made a post on Bellgab saying he and Hoaxie no longer spoke and he was mad about what happen to Ross.

There are other items that have been told to me in confidence. But that is the very basics of the story.

Hoaxie's show was consistently better than the shit show Art was offering when Ross was the producer. Hoaxie's new producer is absolutely awful and has ruined the show.

[norland2424]

Pfffft, you act like you even liked MITD. All you did was post complaints the whole way through the show's run, and now you're complaining about how Art left. For crying out loud, it's trolling.

Thank that im not the only remembering about her bitching about Art since he didn't believe 9/11 was an inside job.

[Chronaut]

Welcome newbies- this is what Bellgab looks like to most of us when we first join. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=590pXIlr1Yc

Haha - that is just awesome 

He does a show called Radio Misterioso. I haven't heard it in a while but I thought it was pretty good. I am sure he is not to everyone's tastes but it is worth a look if it is a subject you are interested in.

Hot damn - you're really plugged in.  Thank  you, I'm going to listen to that right now and get my "oh crap it's even worse than I thought" skin-crawl on...

[Night Train]

Like Norland said he didn't wish me Happy Birthday! 

The real story is that Hoaxie used to have a producer named Ross. Ross was a great producer who booked amazing guests and showed us how incompetent Heather was at her job. One weekend Hoaxie and Ross got into a fight and Ross quit the show in dramatic fashion. Art, having set up Ross with Hoaxie got pissed at Hoaxie. A month or so later there was a coordinated prank fest on Hoaxie's show that Ross said was authorized and implied it had Art's blessings. Art even made a post on Bellgab saying he and Hoaxie no longer spoke and he was mad about what happen to Ross.

There are other items that have been told to me in confidence. But that is the very basics of the story.

Hoaxie's show was consistently better than the shit show Art was offering when Ross was the producer. Hoaxie's new producer is absolutely awful and has ruined the show.

Thanks!  Short and succinct, and clears up the mystery.

[Sandra Kristen]

Ross, was on a phone call with his mother. He didn't pick up a call from Hoagland. Hoagland upon contacting Ross, stated Ross' life was no longer his own, and that he was indebted to Hoagland. Ross told him to piss off. A much less aggressive response than I would have offered.

There are two sides to every story. Bellgab has only got one side of it and it was pushed with people with agendas. The other side I've heard doesn't paint Ross in a very flattering picture and I'll just leave it at that.

[Freyja]

Why would they have to drive home? They could live in the area and frequent the BLM land. Anyway, I'm just going by what Art said. He said it could be a .22 or a firecracker.

It's in the data.

There is NO DATA....could be doesn't mean it is. A phone "terrorist" turns into some young not, nothing to be concerned about, but concerned enough to quit MITD...seriously?!?!?

[HumanBeing]

Yes, lying to people, for any reason, often comes back to bite a person in the ass.  And if you lied to millions of fans, it can bite hard.

Arthur William Bell III and his shenanigans 
If it where a movie what part would we be on now?

[Night Train]

I don't. How many times does Art have to fuck him over before he comes to his senses?

Food for thought.

[Freyja]

There is NO DATA....could be doesn't mean it is. A phone "terrorist" turns into some young not, nothing to be concerned about, but concerned enough to quit MITD...seriously?!?!?

[Night Train]

Arthur William Bell III and his shenanigans 
If it where a movie what part would we be on now?

It wouldn't matter.  The audience would've walked out long ago. 

[Robert]

And although the “lone gunman” hypothesis seems most likely at first blush, the cutting of his transmission lines seems like an unusual act for a stalker.  So we’re left with two possibilities:

1.)   some nut who just so happens to be delusional in the “Art’s transmissions are making the voices in my head angry” and just so happens to live near Pahrump.  But I haven’t heard of a case like that since “What’s the frequency Kenneth!!    " or

2.)   someone who simply doesn’t want Art to broadcast.

Honestly the second possibility looks more likely to me, and the first possibility is a dead end anyway.  So that limits the possibilities to very few options; A.) a disgruntled individual acting alone to keep him off the air for personal and/or financial reasons; B.) a competitor employing someone to shut him down, or C.) some agency that doesn’t want a resurgence of millions of listeners focusing on their secret shit again.

Options A and B aren’t things that I can consider any further, but I’ve always wanted to glean a better understanding of covert online psyops programs (because it’s as fascinating as it is both real and creepy), so I’m gonna read up about that stuff in my spare time.

I don’t think that’s stupid.  Regardless of its applicability here, I’ll be learning something new.

Now, see, this I the sort of thing I was hoping would be discussed here more.  Before getting to the breakdown above, there's the possibility that Art just made up or imagined it -- which I believe was worthy of consider'n because of his hx, but on balance I believe his story; there was the possibility that its just a nut who has it in for him for reasons unrelated to radio, which we can also reject because of certain facts in evidence; and there's the possibility that more than 1 party was involved, where 1 of them was an opportunist or copycat independent of the other, which I also reject on the evidence.  I'll also exclude that staple of mystery fiction: someone who's gone to lengths to obscure his motiv'n, planting false clues; because once you go there, you make the task of solving the mystery on the basis of what we have impossible, rather than merely a long shot.

I agree with the breakdown you've left.  I find 2C the least likely, & here's why:

Yes, "Make him look like a nut!", as John Keel wrote, has been a recurring theme when it comes to those who report paranormal or related events.  However, if one wanted to do that for the purpose you suppose, the worst way to go about it would be to get Art Bell's show off the air or wire.  It is very unlikely that there's any party that wants to hush up several (as opposed to one or a few) of the topics discussed by Mr. Bell.  Usually (as has also been pointed out by John Keel) persons who are interested in one of these topics seriously as a believer finds it vexing to be lumped in with the others.  Even within the narrower field of UFO interest, those who pursue lights in the sky are contemptuous of abductees & vice versa.  People who think there's something interesting in crop circles don't like to be tied in with those interested in psychokinesis.  And so on.  Some are even offended by categorizing terms like "paranormal".

Therefore if there's some truth to one or a few of these topics that someone wants to not have the public take seriously, that someone would want there to be an Art Bell show.  The way you make someone look like a nut is to have him citing Art Bell's show as a source of info.  If there's some secret to cattle mutiliations that you want to hide, point out that it's discussed on the same program that has obvious charlatans on who claim to have been present at long-ago historic events, or who make predictions whose success are worse than chance.

2B is possible, but I consider it unlikely because of the nature of corporate structure and criminal law.  Financial gain in a large enterprise is distributed over a number of people, with the value of each one's stake diminished by that of the others.  Meanwhile criminal liability is not diluted.  If 100 people conspire to commit a crime, the proceeds of that crime are spread out among them, but each of them is as liable for criminal penalties as if it were a conspiracy of just 2 (separately as "conspiracy"), & as liable for the crime itself as if acting alone.  So large business enterprises have a bad reward/risk ratio when it comes to crime.  When corporations are prosecuted for crimes, they're nearly always crimes of omission or of arguable interpret'n of laws, rather than of hiring gangsters to do something everybody agrees is criminal.

2A is a possibility, but it's close to one I've already ruled out above.  Why would someone want to worsen Art's life in only this one respect, rather than going after other things he likes as well or instead?  Why wouldn't he, for instance, simply have assassinated him long ago?

That's why I tend toward case 1.

[onan]

There are two sides to every story. Bellgab has only got one side of it and it was pushed with people with agendas. The other side I've heard doesn't paint Ross in a very flattering picture and I'll just leave it at that.

Too bad it wasn't left alone in the beginning, huh? If you like Hoagland fine, but as grifters go, Hoagland is quite skilled.

[Freyja]

So if everything Art said is true- You feel he has acted rationally and you would have done the same?

Not me- buddy, i'd have an investigation going and would be somewhere safe until the evil terrorists were caught. And i'm not a millionaire. I could still afford a few weeks in a hotel if I am THAT afraid foir my life and I would certainly be begging the police for help.

That aside- The main issue here is that there ALWAYS is an excuse and its NEVER Arts fault. there is a pattern of this happening again and again and after the first few times you should at least be open to questioning how so much drama surrounds 1 man who continues to "have to" quit because of reasons beyond his control.

Yup... +1111111

[Night Train]

No NT...you have it all wrong.

Art is the victim of a massive mind control experiment at the hands of all the alphabet agencies. Every time his handler provides him with the trigger he quits, then his handler provides him with another trigger and he un-quits, doesn't retire...well you know... 

Hey, there's a movie idea!  The Manchurian Quitter.

[GravitySucks]

Like Norland said he didn't wish me Happy Birthday! 

The real story is that Hoaxie used to have a producer named Ross. Ross was a great producer who booked amazing guests and showed us how incompetent Heather was at her job. One weekend Hoaxie and Ross got into a fight and Ross quit the show in dramatic fashion. Art, having set up Ross with Hoaxie got pissed at Hoaxie. A month or so later there was a coordinated prank fest on Hoaxie's show that Ross said was authorized and implied it had Art's blessings. Art even made a post on Bellgab saying he and Hoaxie no longer spoke and he was mad about what happen to Ross.

There are other items that have been told to me in confidence. But that is the very basics of the story.

Hoaxie's show was consistently better than the shit show Art was offering when Ross was the producer. Hoaxie's new producer is absolutely awful and has ruined the show.

You are delusional. Hoagland had some shows that were interesting and some that were hilarious because of all the ineptitude but none of them were excelllent.

[HumanBeing]

I'm blushing here!

You'll be kissing Art's boots soon enough .. muuuhahahhahaa 

[Chronaut]

Art has other lies...

What was the perp charged with for "kidnapping his son"? (hint: wasnt charged with kidnapping but for not revealing his HIV to a willing sex partner)- Theres a video on the internet that goes into the whole thing. Not saying it wasnt a horrible situation , however- the events were not told in a truthful manner according to what ive seen and heard by a person ART BELL SUED who then made a video about that particular story with no lawsuit and its still available online.

Art Bell sued the guy once already so if his information was incorrect on that I would imagine Art would have sued again.

Art's high-school student son was raped by some HIV-infected sociopath teacher, and you're splitting hairs about the charges?  And Art sued a guy who alleged that his dispute of the events was untruthful, and your "evidence" is that he didn't sue the guy again?

What part of that would convince anyone with a brain that Art lied about it?  Jesus.  Show me goddamn evidence if you have any - suppositions and innuendo are worthless.  And frankly your moral credibility dropped from -5 to -80 for even bringing it up.