Art Bell

[Night Train]

Sir, looking like idiots is our stock and trade. I would think you could show some respect for that.

Sorry.  I was way out of line!

[HumanBeing]

No, but you'll be happy to know Dave still sucks.

He's proud of it too.
Sitting in his Escalade getting his.... damn I got a problem because every time I think of George feeling smug and all good about himself I think he has to be with hookers 

65 yr old single wealthy man with a studio in his basement... definitely a patron of hookers.

[whoozit]

Anyone want to play hockey?

[K_Dubb]

Yes. The main problem with that is that he has a history of leaving his show abruptly for various reasons in the past. I, like many people, felt that the initial report looked like the foundations were being laid for a departure some time in the near future. I don't think it required extraordinary powers of clairvoyance to see that one coming. It may all be totally true, but without much in the way of evidence to back it up you are left relying on feelings based on his past conduct and attitude. It seems far-fetched to doubt him, and I am sure most people wouldn't go to such lengths in a similar situation, but nobody actually knows anything about him other than the scraps he chooses to show us. Choosing to exercise a certain scepticism is not the same as calling him a liar; it's just asking for a bit more than one man's word.

Yeah that gets a largely involuntary squint from me, too.  But the rage on display here has me protecting my wallet with one hand and my junk with the other, and I'm at a loss to figure out how either is imperiled.

[HumanBeing]

Anyone want to play hockey?

Go Habs Go!
About to watch the Habs vs Caps.
They need a win!!!!!! Arghhhh!

[Night Train]

He's proud of it too.
Sitting in his Escalade getting his.... damn I got a problem because every time I think of George feeling smug and all good about himself I think he has to be with hookers 

65 yr old single wealthy man with a studio in his basement... definitely a patron of hookers.

Not bragging or nuthin', but I just got back from Kroger.

They had 40 count Totino's Pizza Rolls on sale for 75% off.

$1.50 a bag.  Normally $6 a bag.

No lie.  I got six bags.

Didn't see any hookers, though.  But if any show up, we're gonna have a real good time.

[Robert]

Right.  I never claimed he really believed George gets it.  I said he was lying.  And you're saying, yeah, but he lied because Premiere asked him to.

In other words, Art will lie when it's convenient.  He'll not only lie, he'll lie about his show, and he'll lie to his fans about the show.

Which doesn't help the "I believe Art" crowd.

I believe lying for $ to be de rigeur in b'casting.  For instance, although I believe his endorsement of the infrared laser device for his bad back, I believe him to be quite glib when he says, "You name it, it'll fix it."  How could he possibly know that?  Yet this is standard with on-air voices.

I've written phony endorsements under phony names for $ myself.  I can hook you up w a guy in China who'll hire you to crank them out similarly for whatever service or product, but you'll burn out fast, because there's only so many ways you can say the same thing, and it's not like it pays much.

It's also pretty well known that success in sales requires lying.  You have to lie well enough about things subtle enough that people can't tell you're lying even after they've made the purchase.

I think what made the difference in my getting my teaching gig was lying about my experience on my resume.  I added experience that would've been nearly impossible to check up on.

Someone wrote in response to me here IIRC that Mr. Bell's sincere choice to replace him was Ian Punnett.  That pick I can agree with.

[DarKPenguiN]

On that video the legal documents are shown at around the 14 min mark.

Wasnt rape, wasnt kidnapping-

So...If that was a lie (the legal documents being shown on the video) we know Art bell has no issues with suing for libel/slander.

So- theres a lie for you.

Anyhow,doesnt make what happened right, it still shows his public statements are often far from truthful (this was regarding another incident he quit over)

Not even wanting to bring this into it but wake up.

[BellBoy]

No; I explained why I'm here earlier today.  You can read that. 

But I do enjoy the "debate" and the snark, and I think I acquit myself fairly well at it.  I think it's fun, and I think there are others who enjoy it, too.

But I shall soon be taking my leave to focus on more important things. I'm not saying I'm never coming back (I'm not Art).  I'll probably drop in on occasion, and may hang around for a day or two every now and then.  But after tomorrow, I'm not going to be on here very much at all.

Guess we'll be seeing you again, just as soon as you're eligible for work-release, then. 

[HumanBeing]

Not bragging or nuthin', but I just got back from Kroger.

They had 40 count Totino's Pizza Rolls on sale for 75% off.

$1.50 a bag.  Normally $6 a bag.

No lie.  I got six bags.

Didn't see any hookers, though.  But if any show up, we're gonna have a real good time.

Got to prove it with a pic or its nothing but internet huffin' and puffin'   

[Night Train]

Guess we'll be seeing you again, just as soon as you're eligible for work-release, then. 

Lame.  Even you can do better than that, Buttboy.

[HumanBeing]

Lame.  Even you can do better than that, Buttboy.

Give him a break, he's just getting warmed up. He's a good 'un.

[Ciardelo]

Night lame is winding down folks, he's winding down.

[yoego]

i'd guess theres not much to do in pahrump, aside from the brothels... after the moneys gone what else is there to do than drive round' shootn, an a hollern!
Maybe the whole thing was a coinkydink.

[Ciardelo]

i'd guess theres not much to do in pahrump, aside from the brothels... after the moneys gone what else is there to do than drive round' shootn, an a hollern!
Maybe the whole thing was a coinkydink.

From your lips to Art's ears.

[Chronaut]

Watch the video I posted before making your conclusion.If I remember right they post the charges and there was no kidnapping or rape. Those are pretty major "mistakes"- I'm watching again myself to make sure I remember correctly.

He was a 16 year-old student and the guy was his teacher, that's statutory rape.  I don't give a shit if it didn't appear on the charges for some reason.  And as I recall he was taken across state lines where the crimes were committed; that's kidnapping, whether or not whatever plea bargain or whatever was made.  I'm dredging through the vid now but so far it's pushing me further in favor of my original opinion of all of this.

[onan]

Sorry.  I was way out of line!

To be candid for a moment. I don't get the desire to find Art to be lying. Even if, as you say, we get a steamer on our chests. It is, to my knowledge, a metaphorical steamer. I have enjoyed Art's show this time and the times before. I have never thought him to be my close friend. I have never involved myself with his life. Just listened to a show. So some/many here raise fandom a notch or two? sure, why not?

I would like his show to continue. That being said, I listened to maybe three times a month. How people stay awake all night and still support themselves is perplexing to me (sure night jobs, I get it). But the level of discourse over this departure continues to baffle me. People can argue the ethos all night (and for weeks, it seems) but the end result is he isn't doing a show. He may or may not at some time resume his show. If he does great. If he doesn't I still have my lawn to mow.

No I don't expect or want a revisit of all the points. To me, it seems someone found a hole in the ground and took a shit and everyone thought "Hey me too!"

[Freyja]

I opting for “paranoid,” because it’s more interesting than:



And although the “lone gunman” hypothesis seems most likely at first blush, the cutting of his transmission lines seems like an unusual act for a stalker.  So we’re left with two possibilities:

1.)   some nut who just so happens to be delusional in the “Art’s transmissions are making the voices in my head angry” and just so happens to live near Pahrump.  But I haven’t heard of a case like that since “What’s the frequency Kenneth!!    " or

2.)   someone who simply doesn’t want Art to broadcast.

Honestly the second possibility looks more likely to me, and the first possibility is a dead end anyway.  So that limits the possibilities to very few options; A.) a disgruntled individual acting alone to keep him off the air for personal and/or financial reasons; B.) a competitor employing someone to shut him down, or C.) some agency that doesn’t want a resurgence of millions of listeners focusing on their secret shit again.

Options A and B aren’t things that I can consider any further, but I’ve always wanted to glean a better understanding of covert online psyops programs (because it’s as fascinating as it is both real and creepy), so I’m gonna read up about that stuff in my spare time.

I don’t think that’s stupid.  Regardless of its applicability here, I’ll be learning something new.

Only 2 possibilities?!?! Are you for real?

There are a plethora of others like:

- Art no longer wanted to do MITD full time for whatever reason: financial, time demands, boredom, lack of commitment, lack of adulation etc
- Airyn/Irene forced him to give it up for whatever reason: being alone 5 nights/wk, too much prep time impeding on family life, whatever etc.

Does it really matter why at this point?

Bottom line, the way I see it is that whatever his reason this time was, it was greater than finding a solution to whatever it was than doing the show.

His premise seems to be it was for the safety of his family and himself. To date I have not seen anything that Art Bell has done to ensure the further safety for himself, his family other than allegedly quitting MITD, social media, throwing out carrots to his listeners AGAIN.

Covert psyops with Art Bell today in 2015?

You must be totally joking or off your rocker.

I could see it way back in the early to mid '90's when Art was actually doing controversial radio with "whistle blowers" etc., that no-one else would touch, however that ended with Art in the late '90's. He actually became the official guvment poster boy with his stance on 911 calling all else who didn't believe that crap a "wingnut", however I guess you don't know all that history, do you? 

With Art's history of quitting for questionable and erratic reasons, he has destroyed his credibility enough by his own hand. What weight could he possibly draw now to have any guvment agency to be involved in some psyop with Art Bell???

After his last 10 year hiatus due to his non compete and then his brief non retirement on Sirius, most people on this planet don't even know who Art Bell is or care, except for his very long time followers.

I am one of them and sadly I have had enough of the Art Bell BS....and it makes me feel like shit to even write this.   

[DarKPenguiN]

He was a 16 year-old student and the guy was his teacher, that's statutory rape.  I don't give a shit if it didn't appear on the charges for some reason.  And as I recall he was taken across state lines where the crimes were committed; that's kidnapping, whether or not whatever plea bargain or whatever was made.  I'm dredging through the vid now but so far it's pushing me further in favor of my original opinion of all of this.

No it wasnt. 16 was consent age at least at the time.

No rape charges , statutory or otherwise. No kidnapping charges.

The legal documents say it was consensual sex - The crime was not divulging HIV pos status.

EDIT- BTW, it wasnt a plea bargain. records are on the video I posted.

[BellBoy]

Lame.  Even you can do better than that, Buttboy.

Buttboy... even Falkie can do better than that. 

[Night Train]

Buttboy... even Falkie can do better than that. 

YOUR MOM DATES ART'S STALKER!

[phrodo]

Is it just my imaginatiom or is this board mostly full of insufferable cunts these days? MV?

Absolutely. But MV loves the insufferable cunts because they help buy his baby diapers. So the cunts will stay and the longtime members will rarely be here.

I recall reading someone that posted something like "Trolls can and will kill a forum just as quickly as censorship" -- and I have to agree. I'm not in favor of complete censorship ... but there HAS to be a happy medium wherein the most offensive and senseless 4chin trolls are banned. And if MV can't tell which is which ... well .. ah fuckit.

[ItsOver]

Not bragging or nuthin', but I just got back from Kroger.

They had 40 count Totino's Pizza Rolls on sale for 75% off.

$1.50 a bag.  Normally $6 a bag.

No lie.  I got six bags.

Didn't see any hookers, though.  But if any show up, we're gonna have a real good time.

Remember to let them cool before inserting them in mouth.  Tommy's busy enough with Jorch.

[Ciardelo]

To be candid for a moment. I don't get the desire to find Art to be lying. Even if, as you say, we get a steamer on our chests. It is, to my knowledge, a metaphorical steamer. I have enjoyed Art's show this time and the times before. I have never thought him to be my close friend. I have never involved myself with his life. Just listened to a show. So some/many here raise fandom a notch or two? sure, why not?

I would like his show to continue. That being said, I listened to maybe three times a month. How people stay awake all night and still support themselves is perplexing to me (sure night jobs, I get it). But the level of discourse over this departure continues to baffle me. People can argue the ethos all night (and for weeks, it seems) but the end result is he isn't doing a show. He may or may not at some time resume his show. If he does great. If he doesn't I still have my lawn to mow.

No I don't expect or want a revisit of all the points. To me, it seems someone found a hole in the ground and took a shit and everyone thought "Hey me too!"

There seems to be more than a fair share on onlookers willing to pick it up, sifting it dripping through their fingers and play with it. I don't even pretend to understand it. :::looks hard at freyja:::

[Element 115]

I opting for “paranoid,” because it’s more interesting than:



And although the “lone gunman” hypothesis seems most likely at first blush, the cutting of his transmission lines seems like an unusual act for a stalker.  So we’re left with two possibilities:

1.)   some nut who just so happens to be delusional in the “Art’s transmissions are making the voices in my head angry” and just so happens to live near Pahrump.  But I haven’t heard of a case like that since “What’s the frequency Kenneth!!    " or

2.)   someone who simply doesn’t want Art to broadcast.

Honestly the second possibility looks more likely to me, and the first possibility is a dead end anyway.  So that limits the possibilities to very few options; A.) a disgruntled individual acting alone to keep him off the air for personal and/or financial reasons; B.) a competitor employing someone to shut him down, or C.) some agency that doesn’t want a resurgence of millions of listeners focusing on their secret shit again.

Options A and B aren’t things that I can consider any further, but I’ve always wanted to glean a better understanding of covert online psyops programs (because it’s as fascinating as it is both real and creepy), so I’m gonna read up about that stuff in my spare time.

I don’t think that’s stupid.  Regardless of its applicability here, I’ll be learning something new.

True, good theories. I think it's theory 2. AKA



Seeing the gifs in unison makes them more hilarious.

[norland2424]

Blah blah blah

I could see it way back in the early to mid '90's when Art was actually doing controversial radio with "whistle blowers" etc., that no-one else would touch, however that ended with Art in the late '90's. He actually became the official guvment poster boy with his stance on 911 calling all else who didn't believe that crap a "wingnut".   

[BellBoy]

YOUR MOM DATES ART'S STALKER!

I thought, for a moment, she might BE, Art's stalker... but she's a much better shot, than that. 

[Robert]

Its full of chemicals , not healthy for your skin. My deceased husband used to buy the crap - sometimes I used to throw it out the window

Have you tried regular Palmolive?

I too have gotten rxns to certain soap products.  Safeguard made my hands sore.  I'm interested in seeing if the offending ingredients can be nailed down.  Irish Spring & Palmolive present an opp'ty because they're slightly different versions of the same product.

[Night Train]

Actually, it's not a big secret that before 1996, Art's show leaned heavily in the direction of widespread government conspiracies, the Freemen, the militias, etc. 

A lot of William Cooper Behold a Pale Horse type of stuff.   There was some paranormal, too, but there was a lot of the conspiracy stuff.

That changed after the OKC bombing, and the government and media started talking about the "climate of hate" being fostered by right wing talk radio. 

After that, Art's show became a whole lot more focused on the paranormal, with hardly any time for government conspiracy stuff, except for UFOs and Area 51.

At least that's how I understand it.  I could be wrong.

[Freyja]

Pfffft, you act like you even liked MITD. All you did was post complaints the whole way through the show's run, and now you're complaining about how Art left. For crying out loud, it's trolling.

I dare you to show me the above. You are so full of shit.

I have probably been listened to Art Bell before you were out of diapers!