Art Bell

[Jackstar]

+1. Art's a human. So are we all.

You can't really prove any of that, except for the initial bit with the math.

[bellNwhistle]

Found Art's troll account.

You're too cute, Snoory. 

[DarKPenguiN]

Just my opinion, I'm not an arbiter or know it all and I always welcome other views from much smarter folk then me 

Art is as flawed of a human being, like us all, as they come.
He is also very open and engaging with his 'fans' and, because of this, we all get to see a lot of the missteps and hasty emotional decisions he makes, over and over again.

He has openly admitted to the many errors he has made recently and that he emotionally reacts to situations.
I think his multitude of fuck ups only show how vulnerable a human being he is.

But a lot of the people who are still looking for answers also appear to think Art should never be allowed to make mistakes in the first place.
Oh well, where is the dead horse gif when you need it 
I don't care that strongly either way.

I just like his radio show.


Go Habs Go!

I like the radio show as well-

heres the thing..Its "just a radio show" when Art fucks up. Why oisnt it "just a radio show" concerning George Noory?  Why does that logic only flow in one direction? Especially when "george gets it."?

Now, I think noory has destroyed C2C and made it unlistenable (if thats a word?). Hell, even when a good guest is on they now split  the show up into 2 guests and once commercials are added in and noorys dumb questions you are left with very little content. Noory is okay for a full on assault for what is "just a radio show" and Art is a sacred cow when TBH he has shown time and time again to be flakey, undependable and have little to no regard for his fans.

I could care either way whats said about either- But why is Art untouchable for his "just a radio show" and noory is not for his "just a radio show"?

real question btw not rhetorical.

[Showroom Dummy]

The Mad Adventures of Rabbi Jacob......

[HumanBeing]

You can't really prove any of that, except for the initial bit with the math.

He's looking pretty good for 70.
Hubrid 

[ItsOver]

Just my opinion, I'm not an arbiter or know it all and I always welcome other views from much smarter folk then me 

Art is as flawed of a human being, like us all, as they come.
He is also very open and engaging with his 'fans' and, because of this, we all get to see a lot of the missteps and hasty emotional decisions he makes, over and over again.

He has openly admitted to the many errors he has made recently and that he emotionally reacts to situations.
I think his multitude of fuck ups only show how vulnerable a human being he is.

But a lot of the people who are still looking for answers also appear to think Art should never be allowed to make mistakes in the first place.
Oh well, where is the dead horse gif when you need it 
I don't care that strongly either way.

I just like his radio show.


Go Habs Go!

Yes.  Here's the gif with the ugly horse.

[SciFiAuthor]

You can't really prove any of that, except for the initial bit with the math.

I missed you.

[ACE of CLUBS]

I'll clarify. I've seen everything Art's said and it satisfied me. I believe it would satisfy any reasonable person. Anyone going beyond that is either being paranoid, wants to fuck with Art and his fans on a message board, or is just plain dumb, all of which are stupid.

You still come off as a dum-fuk with your intolerance of anyone questioning anything 'Art Bell' .....
Need your Kool-Aid topped up ?

[Chronaut]

I'll clarify. I've seen everything Art's said and it satisfied me. I believe it would satisfy any reasonable person. Anyone going beyond that is either being paranoid, wants to fuck with Art and his fans on a message board, or is just plain dumb, all of which are stupid.

I opting for “paranoid,” because it’s more interesting than:



And although the “lone gunman” hypothesis seems most likely at first blush, the cutting of his transmission lines seems like an unusual act for a stalker.  So we’re left with two possibilities:

1.)   some nut who just so happens to be delusional in the “Art’s transmissions are making the voices in my head angry” and just so happens to live near Pahrump.  But I haven’t heard of a case like that since “What’s the frequency Kenneth!!    " or

2.)   someone who simply doesn’t want Art to broadcast.

Honestly the second possibility looks more likely to me, and the first possibility is a dead end anyway.  So that limits the possibilities to very few options; A.) a disgruntled individual acting alone to keep him off the air for personal and/or financial reasons; B.) a competitor employing someone to shut him down, or C.) some agency that doesn’t want a resurgence of millions of listeners focusing on their secret shit again.

Options A and B aren’t things that I can consider any further, but I’ve always wanted to glean a better understanding of covert online psyops programs (because it’s as fascinating as it is both real and creepy), so I’m gonna read up about that stuff in my spare time.

I don’t think that’s stupid.  Regardless of its applicability here, I’ll be learning something new.

[Value Of Pi]

Ginsberg, Chomsky, Sanders all say hi.

Those are a few of them right there, though I think Chomsky joined Code Pink at some point, maybe in secret.

[SciFiAuthor]

You still come off as a dum-fuk with your intolerance of anyone questioning anything 'Art Bell' .....
Need your Kool-Aid topped up ?

Isn't it about time for another "George Noory won" post over at GNS?

[SredniVashtar]

Wow - the trolls are really drumming on the keys today...

Hey does anyone know a good source of reliable information about the Paul Bennewitz incident? 

Yup

http://www.amazon.com/Project-Beta-Bennewitz-National-Security/dp/0743470923

[ponyboysunset]

It wasn't about the money so much as my position. I publicly stated I wasn't supporting this show anymore, canceled and still had money taken. I posted so if others want refunds they know they can get them. But according to th die hard here I am stupid, a troll, and could buy hookers. Lol.

The reality is no one is changing anyone's mind at this point.

So new topic when will Art return to the air waves? Give you all something else to discuss. I say 1-16-15 or whenever the 30 days are up.

[Showroom Dummy]

if anyone is tired of the over and over  over again  of the   whens enough enough of talking about the truths or non truths of art bell   whens enough enough?      may find  a look at NYC in the 1970s  film   The Mad Adventures of Rabbi Jacob   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-Qi6GhbdZY&feature=player_embedded       

[norland2424]

It wasn't about the money so much as my position. I publicly stated I wasn't supporting this show anymore, canceled and still had money taken. I posted so if others want refunds they know they can get them. But according to th die hard here I am stupid, a troll, and could buy hookers. Lol.

The reality is no one is changing anyone's mind at this point.

So new topic when will Art return to the air waves? Give you all something else to discuss. I say 1-16-15 or whenever the 30 days are up.

Keith released a statement last week saying that hes keeping heather on past the 30 days, so there is no limit anymore, with that said i see him coming back in February.

[K_Dubb]

I'm new to forumming and Art's conflicts with this forum have got me thinking about evidence and ethics and what other forums serve as analogs to the behavior here.  Most of the confusion comes from the conflicting standards people are using.

If this was a court, for all you would-be lawyers, the only evidence in the strictest sense is Art's eyewitness account.  Nothing contradictory has been offered.

Since it's not a court, man-on-the-street ethics might apply, particularly since we know Art posts and interacts with people here.  If somebody tells you a story about what happened to him and you have no knowledge to the contrary, you're generally expected to acquiesce.  You're certainly free to jump up and down and yell "liar" but everyone around you is free to conclude that you're a dick.

Most of what's been offered to contradict Art's account is what used to be called idle gossip -- the kind of tale-spinning and dark, unfounded speculation that takes place behind closed doors and used to be considered the exclusive province of middle-aged women.  Some of it is hilarious and I enjoy reading it, but to elevate it to respectability and insist that people who don't accept its conclusions are stupid is too much to ask.

I hope Art stays engaged with this forum.  He should bear in mind, though, that in addition to his fans (who'll accept what he says out of politeness, not naiveté) he's addressing a cadre of gossipy spinsters with poor social boundaries.

[Robert]

Having that much faith in a human being you dont personally know who has a history of doing the same thing again and again (never his fault, always a story) is insane and stupid.

There are no coincidences?

[bellNwhistle]

I'm new to forumming and Art's conflicts with this forum have got me thinking about evidence and ethics and what other forums serve as analogs to the behavior here.  Most of the confusion comes from the conflicting standards people are using.

If this was a court, for all you would-be lawyers, the only evidence in the strictest sense is Art's eyewitness account.  Nothing contradictory has been offered.

Since it's not a court, man-on-the-street ethics might apply, particularly since we know Art posts and interacts with people here.  If somebody tells you a story about what happened to him and you have no knowledge to the contrary, you're generally expected to acquiesce.  You're certainly free to jump up and down and yell "liar" but everyone around you is free to conclude that you're a dick.

Most of what's been offered to contradict Art's account is what used to be called idle gossip -- the kind of tale-spinning and dark, unfounded speculation that takes place behind closed doors and used to be considered the exclusive province of middle-aged women.  Some of it is hilarious and I enjoy reading it, but to elevate it to respectability and insist that people who don't accept its conclusions are stupid is too much to ask.

I hope Art stays engaged with this forum.  He should bear in mind, though, that in addition to his fans (who'll accept what he says out of politeness, not naiveté) he's addressing a cadre of gossipy spinsters with poor social boundaries.

welcome to the forum! 

[HumanBeing]

I like the radio show as well-

heres the thing..Its "just a radio show" when Art fucks up. Why oisnt it "just a radio show" concerning George Noory?  Why does that logic only flow in one direction? Especially when "george gets it."?

Now, I think noory has destroyed C2C and made it unlistenable (if thats a word?). Hell, even when a good guest is on they now split  the show up into 2 guests and once commercials are added in and noorys dumb questions you are left with very little content. Noory is okay for a full on assault for what is "just a radio show" and Art is a sacred cow when TBH he has shown time and time again to be flakey, undependable and have little to no regard for his fans.

I could care either way whats said about either- But why is Art untouchable for his "just a radio show" and noory is not for his "just a radio show"?

real question btw not rhetorical.

This board does a decent job of giving both Art and George boots to the face 
Some fans defend Art and (haven't checked the George Noory Sucks" thoroughly) I'm sure George gets some defenders for him in his thread as well.

They are both flawed individuals.
George appears to have sniffed too much gas when he was younger, I tried it once when I was 12 and passed out - stuff smells good, and Art is a 13 year old in a 70 yr old body.
The difference is Art has, in my view, a talent for radio whereas George has a talent for being a confidence man.

From what I remember, Art claimed he was told my PremRat to say "George gets it" 
What is 'it' though?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG_k5CSYKhg

[norland2424]

I'm the most left wing person on bellgab, a millennial, have been very critical of Heather and Art, and called a troll. Your post was trying to make this political and you are wrong. None of these people whining about trolls are Liberals. So reevaluate your world view please! Join the left and be merry! We actually know how to have fun! Die comfort zone die! lol

[Sandra Kristen]

That is no way to talk to talk to your queen! Bow peasant!

[Jackstar]

I'm new to forumming

Weren't you making sly glances at me last summer?

[Jackstar]

I missed you.

[ponyboysunset]

Keith released a statement last week saying that hes keeping heather on past the 30 days, so there is no limit anymore, with that said i see him coming back in February.

Wow I am shocked the network survived but congrats!  I was wrong. Apparently people are enjoying his replacement or his word to support her carries a lot of weight. Either way kudos. (Still not subscribing. Lol)

[GuerrillaUnReal]

You see how no one has had anything new or interesting to say about the drama since Art left the intrawebz? People are just debating and saying the same stuff over and over again based on what Art said in the middle of a bad situation. If he would've just shut up at the beginning, say he's taking some time off to address the situation and not keep talking online things wouldn't be screwed up right now. This is a great lesson in how the internet works, especially for public figures.

[SciFiAuthor]

You really did miss ALL of the fun while you were gone.

[DarKPenguiN]

This board does a decent job of giving both Art and George boots to the face 
Some fans defend Art and (haven't checked the George Noory Sucks" thoroughly) I'm sure George gets some defenders for him in his thread as well.

They are both flawed individuals.
George appears to have sniffed too much gas when he was younger, I tried it once when I was 12 and passed out - stuff smells good, and Art is a 13 year old in a 70 yr old body.
The difference is Art has, in my view, a talent for radio whereas George has a talent for being a confidence man.

From what I remember, Art claimed he was told my PremRat to say "George gets it" 
What is 'it' though?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG_k5CSYKhg

I would pretty much agree with most of that (yes gas smells good but I graduated to huffing glue when  i turned 30) and one thing ive never, ever denied is that Art is a hell of broadcaster and interviewer. Guy has talent and great interviewing skills- hes a master showman.

My issue isnt about the quality of Art Bells broadcasts or shows- Honestly I really dont have much of an issue this time since I didnt buy a radio and subscription based on trusting Art. I came back to read what what being said and saw a repeat of the Sirius incident with the true believers calling everyone trolls and questioning their sanity or  accusations that they worked for premrat or are secretly george Noory.

Its really odd. Fool me once shame on you - Fool me twice shame on me . However, this forum shows "fool me 100 times and I will defend you against the 'trolls'and anyone who is speaking out against being fooled".

I never intended to get too much into this debate but the sleeping penguin has been awakened. =P

[HumanBeing]

Yes.  Here's the gif with the ugly horse.

Thank you.

And the Miss Butterface award goes to...

[SredniVashtar]

Since it's not a court, man-on-the-street ethics might apply, particularly since we know Art posts and interacts with people here.  If somebody tells you a story about what happened to him and you have no knowledge to the contrary, you're generally expected to acquiesce.  You're certainly free to jump up and down and yell "liar" but everyone around you is free to conclude that you're a dick.

Yes. The main problem with that is that he has a history of leaving his show abruptly for various reasons in the past. I, like many people, felt that the initial report looked like the foundations were being laid for a departure some time in the near future. I don't think it required extraordinary powers of clairvoyance to see that one coming. It may all be totally true, but without much in the way of evidence to back it up you are left relying on feelings based on his past conduct and attitude. It seems far-fetched to doubt him, and I am sure most people wouldn't go to such lengths in a similar situation, but nobody actually knows anything about him other than the scraps he chooses to show us. Choosing to exercise a certain scepticism is not the same as calling him a liar; it's just asking for a bit more than one man's word.

[Night Train]

This board does a decent job of giving both Art and George boots to the face 
Some fans defend Art and (haven't checked the George Noory Sucks" thoroughly) I'm sure George gets some defenders for him in his thread as well.

They are both flawed individuals.
George appears to have sniffed too much gas when he was younger, I tried it once when I was 12 and passed out - stuff smells good, and Art is a 13 year old in a 70 yr old body.
The difference is Art has, in my view, a talent for radio whereas George has a talent for being a confidence man.

From what I remember, Art claimed he was told my PremRat to say "George gets it" 
What is 'it' though?

Right.  I never claimed he really believed George gets it.  I said he was lying.  And you're saying, yeah, but he lied because Premiere asked him to.

In other words, Art will lie when it's convenient.  He'll not only lie, he'll lie about his show, and he'll lie to his fans about the show.

Which doesn't help the "I believe Art" crowd.