Started by theONE, October 25, 2016, 03:51:49 AM
Quote from: SredniVashtar on October 28, 2016, 10:23:53 AMYes, but everything went back to religion until fairly recently, historically-speaking. It was in the air they breathed and they couldn't look at anything that wasn't inside that paradigm.
Quote from: SredniVashtar on October 28, 2016, 08:48:55 AMI don't have to answer that question. You have to prove the existence of a god. All you are doing is calling human ignorance 'god'. Until we discovered the germ theory of disease people were blaming illness on the will of God. In time we found out that wasn't true. In time, it's probable that we will find out the answer to your question. The idea of god gets smaller all the time as we find out more about the world, this is just another example. And you're not saying which god you believe in, all you are doing is talking about a creative, deistic type of god. Which one of the fruit salad of alternatives on offer do you believe in, and why?Just because you can't itemise every single element of a theory doesn't invalidate the theory, it just means that there is more to learn. People who believe in God aren't interested in learning anything about the world and would be happy living in some windswept yurt all their lives, tending to a bunch of disgruntled yaks.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 28, 2016, 09:15:13 AMYeah? He's our uncouth peasant. But his observations are sound. Religion the opium of the masses; the modern versions simply an instrument to keep the proles in check; threatening them with eternal damnation if they step out of line. Wonderfully effective.
Quote from: K_Dubb on October 28, 2016, 10:04:13 AMIt must be wonderful to live in a place where the Middle Ages seem like yesterday.
Quote from: Catsmile on October 28, 2016, 02:06:19 PMDokyun!
Quote from: theONE on October 28, 2016, 02:11:04 PM...and your point is I guess I hit the cord with you -what is so offensive -or do you feel guilty of something -if you have need to confess your sins do it nowbefore it's too late
Quote from: Catsmile on October 28, 2016, 02:14:31 PMPoint made. Dokyun... sigh
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Quote from: theONE on October 28, 2016, 12:15:32 AM"Exclusive: Christ's Burial Place Exposed for First Time in Centuries"http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/10/jesus-tomb-opened-church-holy-sepulchre/Restorers working in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Israel uncover stone slab venerated as the resting place of Jesus Christ.
Quote from: K_Dubb on October 28, 2016, 10:35:47 AMThe point is that painting those of us moderns who enjoy a little religion now and then as pacified dupes, the victims of oppressive structures designed to keep us in our places, is an anachronism from a very long time ago, easily refuted by, e. g., Liberation Theology.
Quote from: theONE on October 28, 2016, 12:46:03 PMEVOLUTION has no logical explanation [and it never will] how the first evolutionary process started.Evolutionist just picked point somewhere in the middle and started to elaborate on it,...no - let's start from the beginning and see if your [evolutionist's] theory holds any water ,.. NO it does not !!!
Quote from: SredniVashtar on October 29, 2016, 06:50:19 AMThe fact that we can't explain how it started doesn't mean that we don't know how the process went on over time, because we have abundant evidence for it. Even religious types - well, a lot of them - concede that the world wasn't created in six days and that the Earth isn't six thousand years old. Evolution is a fact, however you want to pretend it isn't. You sound like you don't have the faintest idea what Darwinian natural selection is anyway, otherwise you wouldn't sound so clueless.You are a product of evolution. You grab at an explanation for the world, however lame, because you have that genetically coded in you. Being able to make snap judgements had obvious survival value at one time (we needed to decide whether that shape in the bushes was a predator or not, for example) so that these days it's feels natural for us to accept any explanation, however poor, rather than go without an answer at all.Saying that a god created the world says nothing of value. It's not testable and only appeals to people who want easy answers that don't require them to think very hard. All you have done is repeat the same old stuff the last couple of days. If it were up to religion, people would be stuck in the same old rut all their lives, not daring to think anything that didn't interfere with their precious 'beliefs'.
Quote from: SredniVashtar on October 29, 2016, 06:33:52 AMReligion literally means 'to bind together', that's its job. You can argue that its influence is relatively benign or not, but in most cases it requires obedience to a temporal and spiritual head. When you get religious differences - I'm thinking particularly about Christianity - the splits occur because one lot thinks the other is misinterpreting the word of God. It's all in-group versus out-group factionalism, but the believers inside that group are firmly entrenched in their own world view. You can't enjoy a little religion now and then, you either believe or you don't, and that belief entails certain observances and obligations. It can't be a la carte even if some people would like it to be.
Quote from: Humilia Lepus Foramen on October 29, 2016, 12:46:00 PMSo many edgy fedoras
Quote from: theONE on October 29, 2016, 11:01:37 AMI'm not product of evolution..maybe you are. I was created by Almighty Creator GOD.
Quote from: K_Dubb on October 29, 2016, 11:56:27 AMThat is utterly simplistic, even for you. That old and mellow faith which celebrates holidays with all the joy and solemnity they mark, gives deference to those moral authorities which inspire, lends a certain spice to sin, and eases the pain of death, but is kept in abeyance where critical faculties are required or my purse is consulted has been the bane of churchmen for generations. I am pretty sure I share my selective observance with most modern Christians, if not most Christians throughout history.