RELIGION Thread

[FightTheFuture]

It`s so nice we have the RELIGION Thread as an emotional oasis from the heated Political threads.

[theONE]

It's your answer,  not mine. Your solution is the same superstion that believed the world was supported by the back strength of a turtle. It may give comfort to apply god's will to deal with the fear, dread, sadness, and confusion of a chaotic universe. I guess if one wants to remain child...

Believing in a final reward as the motive for doing good deeds is a fundamentally flawed premise.

onan, with all due respect,..but if that's your understanding of why genuine believer in Jesus Christ is doing 'good deeds' that means
you are not well informed on the topic.
Yes, I can agree that there are some that do 'good deeds' because of the final reward, but the genuine believer does them because of the love
for the Lord the Master who said "love your brother - and love your enemy"

There is a point in your personal faith evolution that you feel that Jesus is just a dude that is your best buddy, best friend, you don't see him
in physical form but you talk to him like you would to your best buddy if he was just standing next to you.
It's hard for me to explain that motivation why some believers do good deeds not even thinking about "final reward".
Same as will be hard for you anon to explain to young boy what is love, /love young man feels for young girl/ you can not explain that to him
as much as you will try,..it has to be experienced -same with doing good deeds not even thinking about the final revard.

But as I said before there are some who do it because they are so very concern about the final reward, but that is not genuine love for God
...it's calculated love

[onan]

So, what Christian here has sold all their possessions and given them to the poor?

[FightTheFuture]

So, what Christian here has sold all their possessions and given them to the poor?

I gave them to my ex-wife. Does that count? And a blood-thirsty Jew (lawyer) was involved, too!

[onan]

I gave them to my ex-wife. Does that count? And a blood-thirsty Jew (lawyer) was involved, too!

Lol, so you already know of hell.

[theONE]

Serious question - Are you referring to Christianity?  If so, I would be interested in knowing which denomination(s) you are familiar with. As a Christian, that is certainly not a belief or tenet of my faith.

I just finished typing my response to onan and read yours, I'm glad to read it.
Let's hope onan will see will understand that it's no so...

That the final reward is just so to say a 'side effect' of doing good deeds but not the principal motivator for doing them,
question could be asked if onan had an animal /cat or dog or pet lion / do you feed your pet animal in order so the dog will play with you
wag his tail at you sight,is that the motivation you feed your dog? -or do you feed you dog to just plainly keep it alive and the tail waging
and the playing that the dog will do is just 'side effect' of you feeding it...

[theONE]

So, what Christian here has sold all their possessions and given them to the poor?

onan, you being silly now

[theONE]

It`s so nice we have the RELIGION Thread as an emotional oasis from the heated Political threads.

well well well,..look who drag himself in here , hahaha
Welcome aboard.
Let's fight the Evil togheter so we all can have better Future

[FightTheFuture]

Lol, so you already know of hell.

I think Sam Kinison summed it up best:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip32PRue91M

[theONE]

I think Sam Kinison summed it up best:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip32PRue91M

haha, he is funny

[albrecht]

It`s so nice we have the RELIGION Thread as an emotional oasis from the heated Political threads.

[theONE]

So, what Christian here has sold all their possessions and given them to the poor?

You see, besides being familiar with Bible and teachings in it, /I mean familiar don't mean I can quote it at will/
I also believe that we do reincarnate, {but not in the forms like is believed in India into different forms of animals}
but humans to humans, I know that many Christians think that there is nothing in the Bible on the topic of reincarnation
and they will quote this: /see included screen shot/

I don't have time right now to share my reasoning and experience that made me believe that we do reincarnate,
I will share that later on.
Here is interesting read on the topic..

"Reincarnation in the Bible"
http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/history/bible.html

...and yes, I do believe that -or- teachings on reincarnation were removed from the original Biblical composition,..
-or- they were never included in order to keep people uninformed in order to create 'vacuum of knowledge' so people are confused
and much more easy to control by organized religious disingenuous authorities... 

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[21st Century Man]

You see, besides being familiar with Bible and teachings in it, /I mean familiar don't mean I can quote it at will/
I also believe that we do reincarnate, {but not in the forms like is believed in India into different forms of animals}
but humans to humans, I know that many Christians think that there is nothing in the Bible on the topic of reincarnation
and they will quote this: /see included screen shot/

I don't have time right now to share my reasoning and experience that made me believe that we do reincarnate,
I will share that later on.
Here is interesting read on the topic..

"Reincarnation in the Bible"
http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/history/bible.html

...and yes, I do believe that -or- teachings on reincarnation were removed from the original Biblical composition,..
-or- they were never included in order to keep people uninformed in order to create 'vacuum of knowledge' so people are confused
and much more easy to control by organized religious disingenuous authorities...

I agree with you about reincarnation.

[GravitySucks]

I agree with you about reincarnation.

I don't believe in reincarnation. At least not in this life.

[21st Century Man]

I don't believe in reincarnation. At least not in this life.

LOL.

[theONE]

I don't believe in reincarnation. At least not in this life.

hahaha
funny aaa? , lol

[GravitySucks]

What baffles me is that many people that shun the concept of God can embrace the concept of transpermia or the concept of Annunaki tinkering with primate DNA without batting an eye.

If intelligent, sentient life exists elsewhere in the universe, then how was that life created?

I believe there may well be intelligent life elsewhere. I don't believe in it the way that Mormons do, but there are way too many stars out there to just write off the idea. But if there is, I believe the same force of intelligent design is responsible.

[21st Century Man]

What baffles me is that many people that shun the concept of God can embrace the concept of transpermia or the concept of Annunaki tinkering with primate DNA without batting an eye.

If intelligent, sentient life exists elsewhere in the universe, then how was that life created?

I believe there may well be intelligent life elsewhere. I don't believe in it the way that Mormons do, but there are way too many stars out there to just write off the idea. But if there is, I believe the same force of intelligent design is responsible.

Also how can something come out of nothing as in the Big Bang?  Some force had to create matter.

[theONE]

What baffles me is that many people that shun the concept of God can embrace the concept of transpermia or the concept of Annunaki tinkering with primate DNA without batting an eye.

If intelligent, sentient life exists elsewhere in the universe, then how was that life created?

I believe there may well be intelligent life elsewhere. I don't believe in it the way that Mormons do, but there are way too many stars out there to just write off the idea. But if there is, I believe the same force of intelligent design is responsible.

Also how can something come out of nothing as in the Big Bang?  Some force had to create matter.

You guys said it much better than I did trying to explain that to SV in my post.

Very - very interesting statement made by you Sir.
So let's get straight to the chase and focus on the nano element of this confusion.
Let's skip all the complex explanations by evolution theorists how the trillions - quadrillions - googillions /? did I just made up this word?/ of combinations
of chemical elements, of gazillions of animal life forms body tissues, of plants and minerals, of gasses, etc-etc-etc  come to be,..
and lets focus on this one question.

How the chemical elements that are part of all what you see around you, including your own body, -how those elements come into existence?
Because evolutionists are claiming that all life forms evolved over long period of time,...fine so far so good with that concept.
But can evolutionists explain where those elements that evolution used to evolve into more complex forms of life, where did they come from?

There is only ONLY two options, two answers to this very basic question.

1. They were always there,nothing nobody made-create them, they just always existed, always I mean that there was never time that they were not existing.
2. They were created by an intelligent force /some of us call it GOD/ they were created using very intricate mathematical principles.

If you subscribe to the option 1. -just take your time and contemplate on that possibility, that something that was used to create all the life forms
and as we know all life forms are composed of various chemicals -where those various basic chemicals come from?
I'm talking about the first few chemical elements that according to evolution decided on their own to start to combine with each other
to form more complex combinations and more complex after that, and so on and so on.

Sir, I suggest you start at that nano /or even below nano/ chemical structure question, where it got it's start, because as we know
everything has it's start.
Take car for example, it's made from thousands of pieces of various parts, each part is made from various elements, and we know that
various manufactures make those parts, and we know that those parts were made by using not "empty air" but by using
chemical elements that were extracted from the Earth.

But how those extracted by us chemicals got there, how they become part of this Planet, ooo-OK this Planet was somehow just formed,
fine let's say it formed it's self, it formed it's self based on the evolution desiring to form a Planet Earth, /no GOD/ but where did the evolution
took the elements necessary to form such a complex Planet from ??

You see Sir,...how empty the evolution concept is.
Evolution theory doesn't look empty when you take a slice from the middle of the "action" ,..but if you go for the beginning
of the action, evolution has no answer ... and it never will, Sir

GOD the Intelligent Creator is the answer, Sir
 

[theONE]

Besides my believe in reincarnation /as I stated in previous post/ I also believe that SUNDAY is not the original day to worship
Our GOD Jesus Christ. It's SATURDAY.
When many years ago I've heard of this I rolled my eyes in disbelieve that someone can even come up with such a hypocrisy.
But being curious I said OK -I will "budged" 1 hour of my time and read about it...if after 1 hour I will fell that this theory has some logic to it
I will dedicate more time to, or quit.
And I did,..and it was clear that this "crazy" theory was 100% correct.

So here we go...

GOD the Father give the 10 Commandments, he wrote them Himself,with his "finger" as it says in the Old Testament.

Ten Commandments and Moses.
The Ten Commandments were written by God upon two tablets of stone and then given to Moses on mount Sinai.
Most scholars date this event around the 13th or 14th century BC.
God gave the Decalogue or 10 commandments to the Israelites shortly after they left Egypt.
The record of the Ten Commandments can be found in the Bible, both in Exodus 20:2-17 and Deuteronomy 5:6-21.

Ten Commandments: King James Version
God's Law, the Ten Commandents, is expressed in Exodus 20:2-17 (KJV) with the following,
“I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage".

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou,
nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days
the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

5. Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
6. Thou shalt not kill.
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant,
nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor’s."

Now we know that Jesus come and changed old laws to new laws,..like from "eye for an eye" He said "love your neighbour -and- love
and pray for your oppressors" ,..and some more, but Jesus never said anything about changing any law in the 10 Commandments.
Why not?? - if Jesus was instructing his followers to change other laws why not to say anything about changing this one also?

Maybe because it's not supposed to be changed,..maybe day of worship should stay the same as is stated by GOD in His "instruction manual"
he give to us.
You see all other laws in the Old Testament were given-instructed by GOD but were written by scribes,..this set of laws the 10 Commandments
were so important that GOD decided to write them with His own hand.

Now, the first Christians for many years after Christ was crucified and raised from the dead they were observing the sabbath as a worship day.
...here is a very well presented article on this topic:
"WHO CHANGED THE SABBATH TO SUNDAY?"
http://cgi.org/who-changed-the-sabbath-to-sunday/

-quick partial quote/:
"Constantine Made Sunday a Civil Rest Day"
When Emperor Constantine Iâ€"a pagan sun-worshipperâ€"came to power in A.D. 313, he legalized Christianity and made the first Sunday-keeping law.
His infamous Sunday enforcement law of March 7, A.D. 321, reads as follows: “On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates
and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed.”
(Codex Justinianus 3.12.3, trans. Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, 5th ed. (New York, 1902), 3:380, note 1.)

The Sunday law was officially confirmed by the Roman Papacy. The Council of Laodicea in A.D. 364 decreed,
“Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday but shall work on that day; but the Lord’s day they shall especially honour,
and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing,
they shall be shut out from Christ” (Strand, op. cit., citing Charles J. Hefele, A History of the Councils of the Church, 2 [Edinburgh, 1876] 316).
...end of quote-more facts are presented in the article.

Let's explore now the claim that the change was done to honor day of Jesus's resurrection /on Sunday/.
But the twist in this concept is that there is no proof in the scriptures that Jesus was resurrected on Sunday,but it was discovered
by Mary Magdalene that his tomb was empty on early Sunday.

..quote:/
Also, John 20:1 tells us that “on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark,
and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.”
Did you catch the problem here? John tells us it was still dark when Mary went to the tomb on Sunday morning and found it empty.
Jesus was already resurrected well before daybreak.
Thus He wasn’t in the tomb any of the daylight portion of Sunday, so none of that can be counted as a day.
..end of quote/

..here is article with very interesting take on it:
"Jesus Wasn't Crucified on Friday or Resurrected on Sunday"
https://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/jesus-wasnt-crucified-on-friday-or-resurrected-on-sunday-how-long-was-jesus-in-the
/there are several sites that analyze this topic -you can check them ,I found this one to be more easy to follow/

(Note: study of this topic is not for the impatient person-it takes time and analytical mind to follow the presentations)
But if you preserver you will be rewarded with understanding of a great deception.

Also on the week that Jesus was crucified there was two sabbaths ,one annual Sabbath-(Passover) and a weekly Sabbath (Saturday)
Regular week has only one sabbath, but this was special week with two sabbaths in it, and therefore there is a confusion on witch day
Jesus was crucified, and it was not on good Friday, but it was on Wednesday.

And his resurrection was not on Sunday but on Saturday,..on Sunday (actually even before official Sunday -because it was still dark)
when Mary Magdalene discovered that his tomb was already empty, and as we know in Jewish tradition day officially starts at sun rise and ends at sun down.

If you are interested to study this you will understand deep conspiracy and that will lead you to better understand forthcoming events...

[SredniVashtar]

There is only ONLY two options, two answers to this very basic question.

1. They were always there,nothing nobody made-create them, they just always existed, always I mean that there was never time that they were not existing.
2. They were created by an intelligent force /some of us call it GOD/ they were created using very intricate mathematical principles.

Theists never answer where that intelligent force came from in the first place, though. They just fudge matters by claiming that she is 'outside time' or something, which is cheating and not really attempting to have an argument. Both sides can play that game, but it's an infinite regress that doesn't get us anywhere interesting. I don't have to explain where everything came from, it's up to you to claim with convincing evidence, that a god was responsible for it. All you are doing is demonstrating an argument from ignorance. You can't conceive how something would happen without a god, therefore it must be so. All science does is put forward explanations, supported by evidence, for what can be seen in the observable world, no more.

By the way, if you want to talk about how something cannot come from nothing, first you have to define what your precious 'nothing' is, which is not as easy as it sounds.

GOD the Intelligent Creator is the answer, Sir

Then what was she doing when she created Saturn and Jupiter, then? Were they just practice attempts? Science can tell us that the universe is expanding after the Big Bang and that the Earth will eventually get too cold to sustain life. Where was that in the grand plan? Why would she design a planet that constantly suffers earthquakes, volcanoes and countless other natural disasters? And don't blame it on original sin either.

[SredniVashtar]

Also how can something come out of nothing as in the Big Bang?  Some force had to create matter.

But then you have to account for the origin of that force, so you end up going around in circles. The answer is probably too complicated and counter-intuitive to understand so we keep going back to something comfortable that we can get our heads around. We don't have the answers because we aren't yet smart enough to formulate the right questions. People tend to look for answers that are part of their own experience, naturally enough, but the results of science since the beginning of the twentieth century show that you can't make those assumptions any more.

[K_Dubb]

Theists never answer where that intelligent force came from in the first place, though. They just fudge matters by claiming that she is 'outside time' or something, which is cheating and not really attempting to have an argument. Both sides can play that game, but it's an infinite regress that doesn't get us anywhere interesting. I don't have to explain where everything came from, it's up to you to claim with convincing evidence, that a god was responsible for it. All you are doing is demonstrating an argument from ignorance. You can't conceive how something would happen without a god, therefore it must be so. All science does is put forward explanations, supported by evidence, for what can be seen in the observable world, no more.

By the way, if you want to talk about how something cannot come from nothing, first you have to define what your precious 'nothing' is, which is not as easy as it sounds.

Then what was she doing when she created Saturn and Jupiter, then? Were they just practice attempts? Science can tell us that the universe is expanding after the Big Bang and that the Earth will eventually get too cold to sustain life. Where was that in the grand plan? Why would she design a planet that constantly suffers earthquakes, volcanoes and countless other natural disasters? And don't blame it on original sin either.

Ah, Bellgab's own ham-fisted enlightening angel strikes once again!  I do believe you sit down at your computer every night possessed by a missionary zeal to refute whatever ancient or modern superstition those dumb Americans are playing with today.  My dear, if poor old Prometheus had but half your persuasive gifts, the benighted mortals would have shoved his flaming brand so far up his ass as to make the ghastly demise of your second Edward seem a mercy.  You are a dour Methodist among the happy, naked natives.  Take your clothes off and frolic!

On the subject of this thread, I will say only this:  it is, perhaps, the cruelest irony of western civilization that the very moment we can hold the library of Alexandria in our hands should find us in a book-burning mood.  A new Renaissance might have dawned, but instead we hew our fathers' temples in the name of filthy materialism in its new, antiseptic guise of science.  One may admire the breathtaking hubris by which the works of generations of scholars raised to speak Latin and Greek by twelve are consigned to the fire with charges of superstition, even as one holds a perfumed handkerchief under one's nose against the stench of the fields.  Only yesterday I heard the incomparable Milton (who has moved me to tears many times) slighted for presuming to squander his talents on the Divine instead of the all-too-earthly knaves and strumpets we now prefer as entertainment.

History will judge this modern-day iconoclastic orgy as intellectually vacant as all its predecessors, and its sweaty, leering, nouveau-Puritan demagogues will be held to account.  The myths of Greece and Rome proliferated to an astonishing degree in a Europe of old and mellow Christians who were not threatened by their pagan past and, indeed, consulted it regularly.  In the same way, our firmly materialist descendants will resurrect our old faith for its ability to teach us about duty and purpose in a way science can never address except with a dismissive shrug.  Intangible ideas like these are the single greatest force that shapes civilization, and it takes a bolder man than I to write them off just because this generation of grubby fact-finders can't get a grip on their antecedents.

[theONE]

Theists never answer where that intelligent force came from in the first place, though. They just fudge matters by claiming that she is 'outside time' or something, which is cheating and not really attempting to have an argument. Both sides can play that game, but it's an infinite regress that doesn't get us anywhere interesting. I don't have to explain where everything came from, it's up to you to claim with convincing evidence, that a god was responsible for it. All you are doing is demonstrating an argument from ignorance. You can't conceive how something would happen without a god, therefore it must be so. All science does is put forward explanations, supported by evidence, for what can be seen in the observable world, no more.

By the way, if you want to talk about how something cannot come from nothing, first you have to define what your precious 'nothing' is, which is not as easy as it sounds.

Then what was she doing when she created Saturn and Jupiter, then? Were they just practice attempts? Science can tell us that the universe is expanding after the Big Bang and that the Earth will eventually get too cold to sustain life. Where was that in the grand plan? Why would she design a planet that constantly suffers earthquakes, volcanoes and countless other natural disasters? And don't blame it on original sin either.

1.  SV,.. I'm must admit that I'm shocked at this statement made by you.
INTELLIGENCE is a force that is essential attribute of GOD.
2.  I believe that I said in this post [..let me bring it here so we have easy reference to what I said]

Very - very interesting statement made by you Sir.
So let's get straight to the chase and focus on the nano element of this confusion.
Let's skip all the complex explanations by evolution theorists how the trillions - quadrillions - googillions /? did I just made up this word?/ of combinations
of chemical elements, of gazillions of animal life forms body tissues, of plants and minerals, of gasses, etc-etc-etc  come to be,..
and lets focus on this one question.

How the chemical elements that are part of all what you see around you, including your own body, -how those elements come into existence?
Because evolutionists are claiming that all life forms evolved over long period of time,...fine so far so good with that concept.
But can evolutionists explain where those elements that evolution used to evolve into more complex forms of life, where did they come from?

There is only ONLY two options, two answers to this very basic question.

1. They were always there,nothing nobody made-create them, they just always existed, always I mean that there was never time that they were not existing.
2. They were created by an intelligent force /some of us call it GOD/ they were created using very intricate mathematical principles.

If you subscribe to the option 1. -just take your time and contemplate on that possibility, that something that was used to create all the life forms
and as we know all life forms are composed of various chemicals -where those various basic chemicals come from?
I'm talking about the first few chemical elements that according to evolution decided on their own to start to combine with each other
to form more complex combinations and more complex after that, and so on and so on.

Sir, I suggest you start at that nano /or even below nano/ chemical structure question, where it got it's start, because as we know
everything has it's start.
Take car for example, it's made from thousands of pieces of various parts, each part is made from various elements, and we know that
various manufactures make those parts, and we know that those parts were made by using not "empty air" but by using
chemical elements that were extracted from the Earth.

But how those extracted by us chemicals got there, how they become part of this Planet, ooo-OK this Planet was somehow just formed,
fine let's say it formed it's self, it formed it's self based on the evolution desiring to form a Planet Earth, /no GOD/ but where did the evolution
took the elements necessary to form such a complex Planet from ??

You see Sir,...how empty the evolution concept is.
Evolution theory doesn't look empty when you take a slice from the middle of the "action" ,..but if you go for the beginning
of the action, evolution has no answer ... and it never will, Sir

GOD the Intelligent Creator is the answer, Sir
 

...quote:/
*** "How the chemical elements that are part of all what you see around you, including your own body, -how those elements come into existence?
Because evolutionists are claiming that all life forms evolved over long period of time,...fine so far so good with that concept.
But can evolutionists explain where those elements that evolution used to evolve into more complex forms of life, where did they come from?" ***

So following "logic" of evolutionist everything that is here now evolved from simpler forms ,that applies to life forms and as well to all the chemicals
all the minerals, all the gasses ,etc-etc-etc  ...following theory of evolution everything absolutely everything evolved from simpler forms to form more complex forms.
So my question was how the first elements that evolution "used" to transform into more complex elements how those first elements come to existence.
Where did evolution took them from -??
I think this is very simple question and if evolution is so sure that there is no GOD let evolutionist answer that simple question,...
from where did all the simple elements that evolution used to create more complex elements come from ??

SV, I hope that this is simple enough question to ask, and I hope that you are evolved enough to understand it...
/unless you are not/

[Catsmile]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EQDhtVl_50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovZOKyGtdSQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBCFQtDLPA0

[theONE]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EQDhtVl_50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovZOKyGtdSQ

I just watched the first video /not the second yet/
and I'm shocked and surprised that Carl Sagan and many other so called smart people aka scientists constantly making the same mistake
they are missing the proper terminology -the use term Universe in place of Cosmos.
Let me explain - Universe (Universes) are part of COSMOS /like USA is part of EARTH/ so asking who created Universe as Segan did in this video
is absurd ,at 0:08 he is asking that "we don't know if the Universe is open or closed" and at 0:58 he is asking "if God or gods created Universe"

COSMOS has no limit to it's physical form-space ,..you can travel for ever in straight line and never come to the edge of COSMOS, you will never
come to the end of the COSMOS,..but you can travel in straight line through a particular Universe and you will come on the other side of it.

As scientists stated there are many many universes (within only ONE COSMOS)
And yes GOD and COSMOS always existed,..there was no time that there was no GOD that there was no COSMOS
But universes were created by GOD as He wished them to be,...or perhaps there is also an option that so called gods can create universes
within GOD's COSMOS,..I'm proposing that option based on what Jesus said in the Bible that:

"Jesus replied, “Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’?"  -John 10:34
and:
"Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father."  -John 14:12

[Donald Noory]

[theONE]

get on your knees you sinner and pray for forgivnes , lol

[Catsmile]

uhhh... yeah... you really got Carl on the ropes, cause he don't know what Cosmos is... hur dur.  :

Prove any part of those walls of text you churned out, that I didn't read.
No. It's not up to me to disprove your extraordinary claims.
The onus is always on the person who is making the claim to prove said claim.
Otherwise you are simply spinning a... Reassuring Fable.     

[albrecht]

I'm not sure what George Norry's handle is on Bellgab these days but he should weigh in here on this thread. He is so uneducated and flexible with regard to religion and philosophy. It is comical how he will pander to guests and callers and claim very religious beliefs based on the guest/caller and his religious knowledge, even of things he claims to believe at that time, is remarkable- and often hilarious.