RELIGION Thread

[K_Dubb]

NATURE and Nature’s Laws lay hid in Night:   
God said, “Let Newton be!” and all was light.

'Objectivity' isn't a dirty world, young fellow. 'Cunnilingus' is a dirty word, and, to some extent, 'constitution', but I think we are wandering beside the point with this shilly-shallying. Art, just like science and philosophy, is a search for truth pure and simple.

“Beauty is truth, truth beauty,” â€" that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

Your daintily coiffed head is straining so far into the empyrean that you can't see what's staring you in the face, causing you to trip over your ruby slippers ("there's no place like Rome, Toto") and look the most frightful arse. You don't name anyone in particular, so I will assume that you were talking out of the back of your neck again, but most great minds of the past had a religious bent simply because there was no alternative explanations on offer. I'm sure most of them, confronted with the evidence, would have concluded that it was all a load of horse feathers and changed their views accordingly, and realised that the cracker they were chomping down on wasn't JC's big toe after all.  You can appreciate religious music while being an atheist as easily as you can listen to the Ring Cycle without being a pagan, dear boy. Perhaps if you adopted a more dispassionate attitude then you'd recognise real music, rather than some sort of synthetic tosh like Rachmaninoff.

I don't deny the numinous, I just don't think of it as though I were a wambling 5-year-old frightened of the dark. "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent", that's all. If you don't have any words for it then you're not entitled to say anything, as Wittgenstein said. We don't have to make up stories about what we don't, and almost certainly never will, understand. Don't confuse religion and myth, they are two separate things. You don't need to believe a myth as literally true to imbibe some wisdom, in the sense that you can read the Upanishads without having to subscribe to it. Om. You are getting religion and philosophy mixed  up. People only follow the New Testament on the understanding that JC was divine, otherwise all that "take no thought for the morrow" stuff would be dismissed as the ravings of a fanatic. Which they obviously were.

Evolution doesn't 'endorse' eugenics. Darwin was observing what he saw and reported accordingly; you don't have to approve of something to recognise its basis in fact. Just because something is nasty doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. Religion can't teach atheists about morality because believers would slaughter an infants school if they thought God told them to do it. They have abrogated any moral sense of their own and will do just what it says in their little book. We have an innate sense of right and wrong because that's what is wired into us over the course of many generations. Any society that was predicated on rape and murder would have died out aeons ago, obviously.

Don't think I didn't see you try to jump off that tired old atheist horse you rode in on a few posts ago.  Now you are at pains to persuade me you're not like the rest of that silly, earth-bound lot and awe me with cheap knock-off unbranded mysticism.  Get back on that sway-backed, fleabitten nag!  I'm not finished with you yet!

You have been unhorsed fair and square, sir.  I say that not to gloat, but to point out that if you guys tried to pull that sorry game you use to annoy the poor wretches on here with a real, honest-to-God churchman with six years of seminary instead of a dumb American of no particular education pounding out this drivel while trying to keep from laughing into his pipe, he'd tear you limb from limb, have you for lunch, and wipe the floor with your britches.

Again you wave that word "evidence" around as as though science has actually addressed the Word made flesh, how the light shone in darkness and was not overcome, how His blood covers every sin, and how Death is swallowed up in victory.  When it does, you may claim to have taken an axe to the foot of the tree.  But until then, it's an empty, vainglorious boast used to frighten the feeble-minded, and I contemplate the mysteries of faith in perfect serenity.

And if the Vespers don't move you, you're a wicked reprobate anyway.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

And if the Vespers don't move you, you're a wicked reprobate anyway.

I hate to say it, K, but I've never been moved by those little scooters.

[onan]

I'm sorry that many of you need a Teddy Bear to help with the darkness.

You can paint all sorts of illustrative meanderings to support fantasies.
But in the end, your fear of the unknown is all you have. Which leaves you with the same thing as rational people at their demise, nothing.

[theONE]

I'm sorry that many of you need a Teddy Bear to help with the darkness.

You can paint all sorts of illustrative meanderings to support fantasies.
But in the end, your fear of the unknown is all you have. Which leaves you with the same thing as rational people at their demise, nothing.

onan make sure that you print this post of yours and when you will be visited by dark challenges in your life you can refer to your ignorance
and to your assertiveness that there is no God who can deliver you from your sorrows who can help you to deal with them,
who can give you strength to overcome with them

I must admit that you are quite brave in your ignorance  ,lol

* The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God," *  -Psalm 53:1

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

You can paint all sorts of illustrative meanderings to support fantasies.
But in the end, your fear of the unknown is all you have. Which leaves you with the same thing as rational people at their demise, nothing.

I'd like to see that sentiment expressed in a Hallmark card.

[Jackstar]

But in the end, your fear of the unknown is all you have. Which leaves you with the same thing as rational people at their demise, nothing.

Sounds like you should ask your doctor if an anti-depressant is right for you.

[theONE]

Sounds like you should ask your doctor if an anti-depressant is right for you.

hahaha ha ha ha

[onan]

onan make sure that you print this post of yours and when you will be visited by dark challenges in your life you can refer to your ignorance
and to your assertiveness that there is no God who can deliver you from your sorrows who can help you to deal with them,
who can give you strength to overcome with them

I must admit that you are quite brave in your ignorance  ,lol

* The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God," *  -Psalm 53:1

I get snarky about many things, perhaps too many.

"Fly, you fools." Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring

[theONE]

I get snarky about many things, perhaps too many.

"Fly, you fools." Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring

well at least you are intelligent enough to admit it,...that's a first step

[K_Dubb]

I hate to say it, K, but I've never been moved by those little scooters.

Hahaha.  (Don't tell Shreddy, but if he knew how often I've brought up that silly urn myself, he'd realize there's not a dime's worth of difference between us, and that would ruin all the fun for everyone.)

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Hahaha.  (Don't tell Shreddy, but if he knew how often I've brought up that silly urn myself, he'd realize there's not a dime's worth of difference between us, and that would ruin all the fun for everyone.)

No need to worry about him. I'm pretty sure he's going to be occupied the rest of the day with the still from Backdoor Baggage Handlers I posted for him in the Plane Porn thread this morning. He hasn't been heard from since.

[Yorkshire pud]

No need to worry about him. I'm pretty sure he's going to be occupied the rest of the day with the still from Backdoor Baggage Handlers I posted for him in the Plane Porn thread this morning. He hasn't been heard from since.

Oh that was you was it? He's been e mailing me stills from his webcam with a brief but very graphic description of what the hell he is trying to recreate from what he's seen.

[K_Dubb]

No need to worry about him. I'm pretty sure he's going to be occupied the rest of the day with the still from Backdoor Baggage Handlers I posted for him in the Plane Porn thread this morning. He hasn't been heard from since.

I'm pretty sure he's off rapturously contemplating his old vases in his personal gabinetto segreto.  Some of them are shockingly pornographic.

Now, if you'll excuse me, there's an infants' school down the road I haven't properly slaughtered, as it says in my little book.

[onan]

Sounds like you should ask your doctor if an anti-depressant is right for you.

I suppose one could interpret depression from that. But it would be incorrect. What we have is here and now.

[Jackstar]

What we have is here and now.

Which is Nowhere.

[Jackstar]

Who invented the word for 'beer'? Asking for a Pleiadian.

[onan]

Which is Nowhere.

Well, one can look at it that way.

[Jackstar]

Does English really strike you as a language that just... happened along without any Creative reaCtive oversight?

[Jackstar]

What language do those deaf since birth think in? Asking for a murphleflickdujoo.

[onan]

Does English really strike you as a language that just... happened along without any Creative reaCtive oversight?

No, or maybe, take your pick.

[Jackstar]

I can just leave it there, proselytization isn't my area.

[onan]

I can just leave it there, proselytization isn't my area.

Not the word on the street.

[Jackstar]

Where we're going, we don't need roads.

[onan]

Where we're going, we don't need roads.

I'm keeping roads.

[Jackstar]

Keep the nuclear plants too.

[Dr. MD MD]

I suppose one could interpret depression from that. But it would be incorrect. What we have is here and now.

[SciFiAuthor]

I think concept is actually eternal bliss.

I find that horrifying too. It's the same promise as heroin.

[theONE]

I find that horrifying too. It's the same promise as heroin.

hmmm, SciFi maybe your goats acting the way they are acting because they sense your luck of optimism ,lol

[SciFiAuthor]

You have vanishingly small evidence for this and certainly no proof, and yet, this you believe.

Fascinating.

If it ends up otherwise, Jack, then for all I know I will meet Zeus and become a god myself to reside on olympus. You're fucked if that happens. I'll reincarnate you as a rock.

[trostol]

If it ends up otherwise, Jack, then for all I know I will meet Zeus and become a god on myself to reside on olympus. You're fucked if that happens. I'll reincarnate you as a rock.

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah i don't see you as a god there pal