Guns

[albrecht]

Speaking of baseless (perhaps just a tongue-in-cheek) claim, Karl, this liberal can handle guns safely and effectively.  In my years in law enforcement, I encountered probably 1,200 firearms, everything from home-made (and scary-flimsy) pen guns to an attaché case gun that fired with a trigger in the handle (professionally-made).  I taught my daughter to shoot at eleven.  She can use a crossbow and various martial arts weapons, too... Proud papa moment:  she tests for her intermediate black belt in Kung Fu this summer. 

I believe we should all know how to safely operate all types of weapons (especially in a world where one out of four females are sexually assaulted).  Maybe it's the Heinlein fan in me.  I also believe in reasonable restrictions, too.

Even if one is against guns it is wise to teach children about them because, especially in the USA or in the inner-city in many places, they will likely come across one at some point. Just for safety's sake. I also think every child/teen should have to learn:
1) how to swim
2) drive a standard transmission
3) basic First Aid
All of those are good to know, especially in an emergency situation and especially if the SHTF.

[West of the Rockies]

I totally agree, Albrecht... It is true that knowledge is power.

[PB the Deplorable]

... especially in a world where one out of four females are sexually assaulted...

You realize that's a BS stat from the Feminist pressure groups, right?

To get to that number they have to include everything from an unwanted advance, to having the wrong person 'look' at them the wrong way on a bus, to having second thoughts the next day after having sex.  No one appreciates any of that either, but it isn't 'assault'.

Once that 'information' is sprinkled into the culture by their Media allies, it can be rolled up - with a bunch of other half truths, gross exaggerations, and political differences - into phony claims of a 'war on women'.  And be attached to their political enemies


Oh, how the Left love to manipulate the language - it's how they get people not paying close enough attention to support them.

 

[Kelt]

Speaking of baseless (perhaps just a tongue-in-cheek) claim, Karl, this liberal can handle guns safely and effectively.  In my years in law enforcement, I encountered probably 1,200 firearms, everything from home-made (and scary-flimsy) pen guns to an attaché case gun that fired with a trigger in the handle (professionally-made).  I taught my daughter to shoot at eleven.  She can use a crossbow and various martial arts weapons, too... Proud papa moment:  she tests for her intermediate black belt in Kung Fu this summer. 

I believe we should all know how to safely operate all types of weapons (especially in a world where one out of four females are sexually assaulted).  Maybe it's the Heinlein fan in me.  I also believe in reasonable restrictions, too.

NO!

NO!

If you're a 'Liberal' you can't handle a gun.

I'm sure Quick has the stats that back up his claim that no member of the military was ever a Liberal.

[albrecht]

You realize that's a BS stat from the Feminist pressure groups, right?

To get to that number they have to include everything from an unwanted advance, to having the wrong person 'look' at them the wrong way on a bus, to having second thoughts the next day after having sex.  No one appreciates any of that either, but it isn't 'assault'.

Once that 'information' is sprinkled into the culture by their Media allies, it can be rolled up - with a bunch of other half truths and gross exaggerations - into phony claims of a 'war on women'.  And be attached to their political enemies


Oh, how the Left love to manipulate the language - it's how they get people not paying close enough attention to support them.

While that is true and- let's face it these days with earlier sexual maturity for girls, MTV-like and the internet/Hollywood values, and so much programming in schools for boys to be docile, "no means no", anti-bullying, etc (I'm not saying those messages are all bad) it is just as likely that the girls will be the more sexually aggressive- even if this stat is bogus (which it likely is depending on how "pressure", "regret", "assault", etc is used) it is useful for everyone, especially girls/women (due to naturally weaker gender) to know some basic self-defense and because nobody wants their daughter, wife, etc being a statistic no matter what the number is.

[Quick Karl]

Speaking of baseless (perhaps just a tongue-in-cheek) claim, Karl, this liberal can handle guns safely and effectively.  In my years in law enforcement, I encountered probably 1,200 firearms, everything from home-made (and scary-flimsy) pen guns to an attaché case gun that fired with a trigger in the handle (professionally-made).  I taught my daughter to shoot at eleven.  She can use a crossbow and various martial arts weapons, too... Proud papa moment:  she tests for her intermediate black belt in Kung Fu this summer. 

I believe we should all know how to safely operate all types of weapons (especially in a world where one out of four females are sexually assaulted).  Maybe it's the Heinlein fan in me.  I also believe in reasonable restrictions, too.

Of course it was tongue-in-cheek. Thank God (oops I mean thank the Big Bang, you know, where everything there is, just decided to pop into existence one day, from absolutely nothing, in the middle of absolutely nowhere, just because it wanted to, so we're all animals and can do whatever the fuck we want) there was you here to "get it"...

I agree with everything you said except that, I have 4-sisters, and I can assure you, they surely WOULD have told me if anyone assaulted them, sexually or otherwise, just to see the resulting blood-fest.

[PB the Deplorable]

... it is useful for everyone, especially girls/women (due to naturally weaker gender) to know some basic self-defense and because nobody wants their daughter, wife, etc being a statistic no matter what the number is.

Absolutely.  Of course.

I just get tired of the people who hate this country manipulating the facts, insisting there is some 'war on women', telling the Black community at every opportunity that the sole reason people oppose Obama is because he's black, etc, dividing us every way they can in the most disgusting ways they can think of. 

Constantly pouring this filth into the body politic is about as despicable a it gets.


Someone really needs to make a Ken Burns style movie telling the truth about the Democrat Party - from it's inception right up to today.


PS - West of the Rockies I'm not picking on you, I believe you are a good guy and just posted that stat because you saw it somewhere

[West of the Rockies]

True enough... Do any of you remember the tee-shirt that briefly appeared that read, "Are you tighter than a fifth-grader?"  We are pushing our children into sexually provocative roles -- they need to be self-aware and able to take care of themselves.

Paperboy, you may be correct about the media or some other agency confusing sexual assault vs. a lewd comment... But your reductionist thinking is in it's own way unhelpful.  I don't want my daughter assaulted physically or verbally.  Being groped is no picnic; being verbally "assaulted" is not as bad as a completed act of rape, but it's not a boon either.  I want girls and women to know how to defend themselves, how to avoid trouble to begin with, how to spot a pervert and avoid him/her.  And BTW, it's good for boys to be aware of their own safety and potential as targets.  I worked on more than a few cases where some guy went to a bar, had too much to drink, and woke up with his pants down and a sore rectum.

[PB the Deplorable]

... I don't want my daughter assaulted physically or verbally.  Being groped is no picnic; being verbally "assaulted" is not as bad as a completed act of rape, but it's not a boon either.  I want girls and women to know how to defend themselves, how to avoid trouble to begin with, how to spot a pervert and avoid him/her...

I'm 100% with you on that.  I have a daughter too, and if I were to learn either yours or mine were assaulted in any way I would be happy to go after who ever was responsible.

...  I worked on more than a few cases where some guy went to a bar, had too much to drink, and woke up with his pants down and a sore rectum.

Yikes!

[West of the Rockies]

I didn't know you were a dad, you old dog!  Being a parent is one of our very most important jobs. 

But to reiterate, you are correct in that the one-in-four figure is a bit misleading.  The media's part in that?  Well, sex sells, baby!  If it bleeds, it leads!

[Quick Karl]

You guys aren't going to start hugging now, are you? 

[NowhereInTime]

Absolutely.  Of course.

I just get tired of the people who hate this country manipulating the facts, insisting there is some 'war on women', telling the Black community at every opportunity that the sole reason people oppose Obama is because he's black, etc, dividing us every way they can in the most disgusting ways they can think of. 

Constantly pouring this filth into the body politic is about as despicable a it gets.


Someone really needs to make a Ken Burns style movie telling the truth about the Democrat Party - from it's inception right up to today.


PS - West of the Rockies I'm not picking on you, I believe you are a good guy and just posted that stat because you saw it somewhere

Not only should Ken Burns do a documentary on the Democratic Party, but he should do an expose on the cur-ridden, craven history of American Conservatism. 

Please, let's see a feature film with such adorable personalities as:
William F ("Don't let them Immanentize the Eschaton") Buckley,
Ayn ("Money is the barometer of a society's virtue.") Rand,
Barry("Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is No Vice.") Goldwater.
Lovable, huggable, people-persons like Roger ("I only understand friendship or scorched earth.") Ailes and
Milton ("“See, if you look at the drug war from a purely economic point of view, the role of the government is to protect the drug cartel. That's literally true.”) Friedman.

You want to see "manipulated facts"?  Here's Lee Atwater, proud author of St. Ronald Reagan's "Southern Strategy":

"You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”â€"that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.” 
What a sweetheart.  How did he die? Oh, yes.  Brain Tumor.  Filth.

Breitbart was such a duplicitous bastard he literally dropped dead.

If people in this country watched a documentary of this Addams Family of cowardly bloated corpses paraded before them the would spit the sour bit of conservatism inside a generation.

Hell, these people make the Kardashians appealing.

[West of the Rockies]

Paperboy and I don't agree on everything (or maybe even much), but I welcome his participation here, despite the fact that he is a Niners fan.  Go Rams!  He is, I believe, sincere in his beliefs (if woefully misguided!  ). I am sure he feels the same about me.  We don't respect each other's media sources probably; we likely don't think each other's solutions are workable or rational.  But to me, PB has always been civil.  That is a start.

Any other Rams fans here, BTW?  I go back to the days of Roman Gabriel, David Deacon Jones, and Jack Snow.

[NowhereInTime]

Yikes!

Brought Papes back to his glory (hole) days in The Castro...

[NowhereInTime]

Paperboy and I don't agree on everything (or maybe even much), but I welcome his participation here, despite the fact that he is a Niners fan.  Go Rams!  He is, I believe, sincere in his beliefs (if woefully misguided!  ). I am sure he feels the same about me.  We don't respect each other's media sources probably; we likely don't think each other's solutions are workable or rational.  But to me, PB has always been civil.  That is a start.

Any other Rams fans here, BTW?  I go back to the days of Roman Gabriel, David Deacon Jones, and Jack Snow.

I'm a fan of the New York Giants, myself.

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I go back to the Parcells/Simms/Taylor era of excellence.  This whole Coughlin/Manning/Strahan/Tuck era has been great, too.

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[West of the Rockies]

I remember a lot of great connections:  Brodie to Gene Washington, John Hadl to Lance "Bambi" Alworth, Archie Manning to Danny Abramowicz...  When men were men and sheep were nervous.

[West of the Rockies]

The New York football Giants!  Spider Lockhart and Ron Johnson!

[West of the Rockies]

I will always fondly recall Jim Burt leveling Joe Montana!

[albrecht]

Not only should Ken Burns do a documentary on the Democratic Party, but he should do an expose on the cur-ridden, craven history of American Conservatism. 

Please, let's see a feature film with such adorable personalities as:
William F ("Don't let them Immanentize the Eschaton") Buckley,
Ayn ("Money is the barometer of a society's virtue.") Rand,
Barry("Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is No Vice.") Goldwater.
Lovable, huggable, people-persons like Roger ("I only understand friendship or scorched earth.") Ailes and
Milton ("“See, if you look at the drug war from a purely economic point of view, the role of the government is to protect the drug cartel. That's literally true.”) Friedman.

You want to see "manipulated facts"?  Here's Lee Atwater, proud author of St. Ronald Reagan's "Southern Strategy":

"You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”â€"that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.” 
What a sweetheart.  How did he die? Oh, yes.  Brain Tumor.  Filth.

Breitbart was such a duplicitous bastard he literally dropped dead.

If people in this country watched a documentary of this Addams Family of cowardly bloated corpses paraded before them the would spit the sour bit of conservatism inside a generation.

Hell, these people make the Kardashians appealing.

In all seriousness. What is up with the bitterness? And although I guess you are homosexual (or at least fully support them in their "rights") why do you use homosexual slurs, innuendos, and their preferential sexual situations as insults? It is bizarre. Ok, aside from the schoolyard style of insult which, I guess, most people outgrow it not only seems weird, but even offensive, to use a homosexual act as insult since you are one or at least support them? But it also is not an argument or even a rational response to someone's ideas, comments, or even personality. Ok, we get that you "hate" American Conservatives (or at least the Republicans ones), but why so bitter about it? One of the "wide-stance" ones leave you in a bathroom? If so embittered, maybe at least reply with partially rational comments along with odd insults. And will your "hate" against Republicans be covered in the so-called "hate crime" speech and laws you lot favor? And what is with the homosexual insults? Not very inclusive or politically correct.

[Quick Karl]

Paperboy and I don't agree on everything (or maybe even much), but I welcome his participation here, despite the fact that he is a Niners fan.  Go Rams!  He is, I believe, sincere in his beliefs (if woefully misguided!  ). I am sure he feels the same about me.  We don't respect each other's media sources probably; we likely don't think each other's solutions are workable or rational.  But to me, PB has always been civil.  That is a start.

Any other Rams fans here, BTW?  I go back to the days of Roman Gabriel, David Deacon Jones, and Jack Snow.

Here, here, on the civil part, in spite of the endless baiting PB endures!

[Quick Karl]

The New York football Giants!  Spider Lockhart and Ron Johnson!

WOW, you're OLD! 

[Quick Karl]

In all seriousness. What is up with the bitterness? And although I guess you are homosexual (or at least fully support them in their "rights") why do you use homosexual slurs, innuendos, and their preferential sexual situations as insults? It is bizarre. Ok, aside from the schoolyard style of insult which, I guess, most people outgrow it not only seems weird, but even offensive, to use a homosexual act as insult since you are one or at least support them? But it also is not an argument or even a rational response to someone's ideas, comments, or even personality. Ok, we get that you "hate" American Conservatives (or at least the Republicans ones), but why so bitter about it? One of the "wide-stance" ones leave you in a bathroom? If so embittered, maybe at least reply with partially rational comments along with odd insults. And will your "hate" against Republicans be covered in the so-called "hate crime" speech and laws you lot favor? And what is with the homosexual insults? Not very inclusive or politically correct.

He's just "like that". Most people just ignore him...

Now he's going to act all hysterical and irrational and call you names, and suggest you are secretly a child-molester...

I think his mommy yelled at him a lot and made him feel insignificant?

[albrecht]

He's just "like that". Most people just ignore him...

Now he's going to act all hysterical and irrational and call you names, and suggest you are secretly a child-molester...

I think his mommy yelled at him a lot and made him feel insignificant?

Yeah, I don't tend to "ignore" people but I can understand why some might use that option (in reality or via the Bellgab method.) I'm no psychiatrist, but don't these problems of identity/sexuality we see in this case usually come about due to the mother ignoring the child? So some kind of internal psychological rebellion against her and then by extension against society, normalcy, etc? I don't know from experience, thank goodness, how or why these types happen but I'm sure Freud and others of his ilk have theories.

[Quick Karl]

Yeah, I don't tend to "ignore" people but I can understand why some might use that option (in reality or via the Bellgab method.) I'm no psychiatrist, but don't these problems of identity/sexuality we see in this case usually come about due to the mother ignoring the child? So some kind of internal psychological rebellion against her and then by extension against society, normalcy, etc? I don't know from experience, thank goodness, how or why these types happen but I'm sure Freud and others of his ilk have theories.

No, I don't believe that Freud, or any psychotherapist thereafter, could figure this one out...

[NowhereInTime]

In all seriousness. What is up with the bitterness? And although I guess you are homosexual (or at least fully support them in their "rights") why do you use homosexual slurs, innuendos, and their preferential sexual situations as insults? It is bizarre. Ok, aside from the schoolyard style of insult which, I guess, most people outgrow it not only seems weird, but even offensive, to use a homosexual act as insult since you are one or at least support them? But it also is not an argument or even a rational response to someone's ideas, comments, or even personality. Ok, we get that you "hate" American Conservatives (or at least the Republicans ones), but why so bitter about it? One of the "wide-stance" ones leave you in a bathroom? If so embittered, maybe at least reply with partially rational comments along with odd insults. And will your "hate" against Republicans be covered in the so-called "hate crime" speech and laws you lot favor? And what is with the homosexual insults? Not very inclusive or politically correct.

Yeah, mixing two different posts may be convenient but its not genuine.  The post you quote contains no such anti-gay slurs. It does, in fact, adequately express my distaste for conservatives. (Though,  in fact, not Republicans. There is a difference. )
You try to come back on me all the time with your mock indignation (getting stale) and your sanctimony.
Then you and your cohort promptly disparage the President,  liberals,  Democrats (not necessarily in that order) and act shocked when somone responds in kind.
I do not like nor do I respect conservatism.  It has to sell itself based on fear and contrasting itself to other philosophies when its about nothing more than dignifying greed.
The taunt to P*B, was, in fact, gay baiting.  I admit it because he boils on it every time. Makes me a hypocrite. Makes me a conservative.

[NowhereInTime]

He's just "like that". Most people just ignore him...

Now he's going to act all hysterical and irrational and call you names, and suggest you are secretly a child-molester...

I think his mommy yelled at him a lot and made him feel insignificant?

No, there's no secret, Qunt, you're a kiddie diddler and the most foul kindof wretch.
Now go impress someone else with your tough talk.

[albrecht]

Yeah, mixing two different posts may be convenient but its not genuine.  The post you quote contains no such anti-gay slurs. It does, in fact, adequately express my distaste for conservatives. (Though,  in fact, not Republicans. There is a difference. )
You try to come back on me all the time with your mock indignation (getting stale) and your sanctimony.
Then you and your cohort promptly disparage the President,  liberals,  Democrats (not necessarily in that order) and act shocked when somone responds in kind.
I do not like nor do I respect conservatism.  It has to sell itself based on fear and contrasting itself to other philosophies when its about nothing more than dignifying greed.
The taunt to P*B, was, in fact, gay baiting.  I admit it because he boils on it every time. Makes me a hypocrite. Makes me a conservative.

I have no "cohorts." I don't even know these people you assume I'm in some kind of collusion with! I guess it is that bizarre and nebulous "vast right wing conspiracy" that Billary, sorry Hillary, mentioned decades ago. Same gal who got a stomach ache and then "bump in the head" and can't recall about Benghazi or who claimed she was "under fire" at the Kosovo airport (when in reality she was met by schoolchildren with flowers,as I recall. (Though admittedly I've had a bump on the head and stomach aches since then- so those times when Clinton even bombed the Chinese Embassy, by accident, to help the Islamic insurgents are getting hazy.) I won't even dignify your claims about how I have, apparently, treated this character Obama (or whatever name he is using this decade) because it would take too long. Suffice it to say he deserves no positive comments- much less deification as you adherents would have it. He is not "the One" no matter the posters or even if, as he proclaimed from on high that "a light will shine down upon you" if you vote for me.

As to fear:
The "global warming" end-of-days motif?!?  Doesn't get much better fear-mongering than that! Seriously. Even the best Christian preacher or radical Islamist or whomever you want to mention can't out-do with the rhetoric and proclamations of Gore Jr and others of his ilk (who made his family money from tobacco, politics, Occidental Petroleum- mainly via his dad and then Jr himself taking up the mantel after a private education at the Society of Friends run Sidwell school in DC. Funny how these public school supporters, like "the One", send their children there. And a Christian school at that! A Quaker school. Yet wanting to drone everything!) Yet the Jr Bushes are bad. Ha. Well, yes, the Bushes are bad. But at least they are honest about it.  End of the world. Hurricanes! Heat! Drought! And now the "warming" becomes Snow! Blizzards! Rain! Floods! Let us set up a carbon trading scheme orchestrated by futures trading in carbon and international banking tax levies! Let it become a commodity administrated by certain exchanges, in which I have interest, can make big money. Let us fly me around the world, using untold carbon, proclaiming the "warming" even during brutal winters! Anyone remember when, who was it....ENRON, also wanted into the weather trading? And they weren't even into, yet, the whole carbon trading futures market. (Though I seem to recall Hillary did suspiciously well in the Chicago future exchange on cattle? But, again, I've been bumped in the head since then.) But now it is all good because the Gore Jr and "The One" are into it? We need to raise prices, raise taxes, shut down power plants and start new financial bubbles via banker-run carbon schemes to "stop the warming?" Please.

[PB the Deplorable]

... my distaste for conservatives. (Though,  in fact, not Republicans. There is a difference. )...

See, evidence people can and do learn from the political threads. 

Who'd have thunk Nowhere would come to understand there is a difference, that Republicans and Conservatives are not synonymous?  It's just one more step for him to realize what Conservatives actually stand for.

... The taunt to P*B, was, in fact, gay baiting.  I admit it because he boils on it every time...

Oh right, the Castro. 

I had to go back and re-read your post.  It honestly went right over my head the first time - a mention of the Castro District before dinner, and you had me thinking about a couple cafes over there. 

Say what you will about the gays, they have taste and know how to set out some good food.

[Yorkshire pud]

I remember a lot of great connections:  Brodie to Gene Washington, John Hadl to Lance "Bambi" Alworth, Archie Manning to Danny Abramowicz...  When men were men and sheep were nervous.

Yeah, but it isn't rugby union is it? 

[West of the Rockies]

Well, I am sure I will now drop in the view of some here, but I don't think climate change talk is fear-mongering.  To me the science is conclusive.  I would LOVE to be proven wrong.  I fear I won't be. 

I don't much care for attacking a person for his/her perceived sexual preference.  I know it is strange when such tactics are perpetrated by an avowed leftie, sure, but I see a whole lot of that tactic used by those on the right, too.  And what's good for the goose is good for the gander. 

Politics is evidently a blood sport.