Ebola

[Quick Karl]

It is, after all, only fair and politically correct. Why should only blacks have to deal with such a virulent disease?

But, unlike Norry, I believe there are coincidences and I seriously doubt Obama purposely brought Ebola to the country, especially as it is seen by many as yet another failure for the administration. Though now that some Ebola appears to be spreading to mainly white countries he likely it doesn't mind if it "redistributes" a bit.  And, like any "good crisis" it shouldn't be wasted it is an opportunity for some more regulations, government aggrandizement, or politics.

I don't think anyone "brought it here on purpose". I do believe that we have utter, complete, incompetent, bureaucrat morons running this country, to OUR detriment, and them mother fuckers should be dragged out into the street by their hair, and shot like dogs that have rabies.

[ItsOver]

They'll all run to the ER with symptoms fed to them by the media.  And if you or a loved one happen to be there for any legitimate reason, good luck.

And, of all things, welcome to the flu season. 

[Yorkshire pud]

We don't know where he was born.  All we've seen so far is a fake short form birth certificate, and two fake long form ones.  And an announcement of his birth placed in the paper by the proud grandparents living in Hawaii.

We also have his African grandmother, Michelle, and Barry himself at one time or another claiming to have been born in Kenya.  But those were of course lies told for political expediency.  Oh wait...

Really? And remind us which Republican Senators and Congressmen and women are plugging this on a daily/weekly basis and getting mileage?

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

We don't know where he was born.  All we've seen so far is a fake short form birth certificate, and two fake long form ones.  And an announcement of his birth placed in the paper by the proud grandparents living in Hawaii.

We also have his African grandmother, Michelle, and Barry himself at one time or another claiming to have been born in Kenya.  But those were of course lies told for political expediency.  Oh wait...

What about the logical paradox of Barrack Obama Sr. taking his pregnant American bride back to see his estranged Kenyan wife, neither of whom knew about each other?  It doesn't fit for me.

Even if he was born in Kenya why hide it?  His American mother would be enough to make him a considered a natural born citizen by already established American precedent (pun only slightly intended).

[Wintermute]

Art **has** made a statement: https://www.facebook.com/art.bell.716?fref=nf

No offense to Art or anyone else, but there are stage 1 clinical trials of two Ebola vaccines in progress and are on the fast-track. Fox News actually reported on one of them this morning (very odd for them).

Yes, things could go bad, but being an alarmist about a US outbreak is quite stupid at this point.

[PB the Deplorable]

I doubt this alone would result in a sweep. The meme already going out by the Obama adherents and DNS that is the Republican's fault because of funding, budget cuts, not wanting to help people with healthcare, etc etc. (Likely, of course, it is Bush's fault.)...

Six years in, that stuff isn't working all that well anymore.  Those people in 'the middle' who swing elections but mostly don't pay attention are realizing what a true disaster this guy is.

[albrecht]

What about the logical paradox of Barrack Obama Sr. taking his pregnant American bride back to see his estranged Kenyan wife, neither of whom knew about each other?  It doesn't fit for me.

Even if he was born in Kenya why hide it?  His American mother would be enough to make him a considered a natural born citizen by already established American precedent (pun only slightly intended).

You can really get into the weeds when investigating the history, regulations, court opinions, and law with regard to "naturally born" etc, dual-citizenship, different citizenship between mother and father, international legal adoptions, etc. There have been changes to it over time etc. I've given up on investigating or explaining it. It will likely be several decades when a historian will prove it, one way or the other, on Obama's mysterious personage.

Suffice it to say that, for me at this point, it is a matter of his true allegiances, his sub-rosa agenda, and his odd resentment towards the country. (He went to elite private schools in one of the most beautiful places on earth, went to some of the best schools apparently on mysterious scholarships, made millions, got elected President 2X, etc but still seems to harbor a resentment towards the country. Very odd.) Regardless of where he was born or his nationality he doesn't seem to like the country, or much of its people, and Western Civilization and its cultural heritage very much. And his policies, or lack thereof, seem to be causing a lot of problems.

[Eddie Coyle]

And, of all things, welcome to the flu season.

     Tumeric Turkey this Thanksgiving.

[Kelt]

So how about this plan of action.

Everyone stops pissing their pants like Ebola is going to kill everyone, or even be more than a very minor nuisance.

Calm your tits, you hysterical bitches... that's the signs that should be going up all over this great nation.

[Avi]

The incompetence in TX, from CDC down, is fucking astonishing.  This is going to be Obama's Katrina.  He needs an Ebola Czar ASAP, and he should appoint a flag-level military man with broad authority.  This has already proven to be too fucking big to be managed by career bureaucrats and local flacks.

Actually, healthcare in Texas is quite good. I have been assigned to locations all over the USA, and Texas ranks highly. The truth of the matter is that the same thing would have occurred no matter to which hospital Duncan presented. Healthcare practitioners in the USA were not educated about ebola and its necessary precautions (indeed, the precautions initially advised by the CDC were inadequate). Now, they are educated and have set up their ERs appropriately (I was just at Texas Health Resources yesterday, as a matter of fact, and I saw it in action. What they have learned will benefit all hospitals). The events happened to transpire in Dallas, but you know as well as I do that it could have been anywhere. People are very good at coulda, woulda, shoulda in hindsight, but unfortunately, this disease is hell on healthcare practitioners specifically because of 1) its benign onset and 2) its hemorrhagic and diarrhea-causing effects. Even in full protective gear (not hazmat, as is erroneously reported), it is extremely difficult to work with these patients, to render humane treatment (like cleaning up their copious bloody diarrhea), and avoid accidental exposure - just ask the doctor who was successfully treated here with an experimental drug on his return from Africa. Rather than seeking to foment an inflammatory blame-game, the focus should be on what we are going to do now. More studies of ebola transmission are in progress, oddly enough, at the Southwest Research Institute in, uh, that's right, Texas, where units have been set up to explore both transmission and vaccine trials. Other efforts need to be undertaken, including dissemination of accurate information, training and refinement of quarantine procedures. Much remains to be done. What efforts are you making?

[Kelt]

Actually, healthcare in Texas is quite good. I have been assigned to locations all over the USA, and Texas ranks highly.

By which metrics?

[albrecht]

By which metrics?

Exactly, most studies use data on the healthfulness of the population- not just the rating of the facilities, doctors, med schools, hospitals, clinics, etc- in the ratings. So the numbers get greatly skewed by factors like income, illegal aliens, race, education, ability to pay, insurance, average age, etc. One could conceivably have the best hospital and doctor in the world but set that in a population that are smokers, obese, have genetic predisposed maladies, or bad lifestyles and it won't look as good as, say, an average hospital in a population of educated, fit, non-smoking, teetotal-ling rich people of European descent in their 30's if you are factoring other things besides facilities and staff in the equation.

[Avi]

So how about this plan of action.

Everyone stops pissing their pants like Ebola is going to kill everyone, or even be more than a very minor nuisance.

Calm your tits, you hysterical bitches... that's the signs that should be going up all over this great nation.

Where do you get the idea that everyone is pissing their pants? I was just in Dallas yesterday, where people were going about their lives, walking their dogs, carpooling their kids, eating and pissing without panic. It was a lovely, cool(er), windy day. The hospitals I visited were not in panic mode, either. They were calmly and rationally going about their business, even though it is now allergy season in Texas, and nearly everybody has a runny nose and fever. Everyone here was as friendly as Texans are reputed to be. I had a great time, no panic noted. Maybe the way the situation is being framed on the teevee is a little over the top?

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

You can really get into the weeds when investigating the history, regulations, court opinions, and law with regard to "naturally born" etc, dual-citizenship, different citizenship between mother and father, international legal adoptions, etc. There have been changes to it over time etc. I've given up on investigating or explaining it. It will likely be several decades when a historian will prove it, one way or the other, on Obama's mysterious personage.

Suffice it to say that, for me at this point, it is a matter of his true allegiances, his sub-rosa agenda, and his odd resentment towards the country. (He went to elite private schools in one of the most beautiful places on earth, went to some of the best schools apparently on mysterious scholarships, made millions, got elected President 2X, etc but still seems to harbor a resentment towards the country. Very odd.) Regardless of where he was born or his nationality he doesn't seem to like the country, or much of its people, and Western Civilization and its cultural heritage very much. And his policies, or lack thereof, seem to be causing a lot of problems.

Fair enough.  Personally I think Obama is a patriot and visionary, even though I'm not a fan of everything he's done and I think he sucks on the execution.  His vision is frequently sidelined by reality.  However I'd hate to see what would happen if a more political and short-term thinking president had gained the oval office.

[Avi]

By which metrics?

The government of the USA now requires hospitals to publicize their quality and performance rankings in a variety of areas, if they want to participate in federal reimbursement programs. This is public information, readily accessible on the net. You can also request that any hospital you are considering provide this information to you.

[Camazotz Automat]

Here's the form letter response from one of my senators, which pretty much says they're not really doing anything about this in the states, claiming we are already prepared. 

I received that exact form letter when I wrote to Rhonda Byrne challenging the content of her book, The Secret.  The woman talks in circles.

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[eddie dean]

     Tumeric Turkey this Thanksgiving.

Deep fried tumeric turkey is the way to go! Very healthy, unless the house burns down.

[Avi]

Exactly, most studies use data on the healthfulness of the population- not just the rating of the facilities, doctors, med schools, hospitals, clinics, etc- in the ratings. So the numbers get greatly skewed by factors like income, illegal aliens, race, education, ability to pay, insurance, average age, etc. One could conceivably have the best hospital and doctor in the world but set that in a population that are smokers, obese, have genetic predisposed maladies, or bad lifestyles and it won't look as good as, say, an average hospital in a population of educated, fit, non-smoking, teetotal-ling rich people of European descent in their 30's if you are factoring other things besides facilities and staff in the equation.

It is true that the rankings do not take into consideration factors such as the health status of patients undergoing procedures, but are focused on performance outcomes. You can see how they quantify their data and what areas are ranked here:

http://nhqrnet.ahrq.gov/inhqrdr/

[albrecht]

Fair enough.  Personally I think Obama is a patriot and visionary, even though I'm not a fan of everything he's done and I think he sucks on the execution.  His vision is frequently sidelined by reality.  However I'd hate to see what would happen if a more political and short-term thinking president had gained the oval office.

You are certainly entitled to that opinion. To me anyone who promises to "fundamentally transform" something, like a country, must not hold it in very high regard.

But I think we can agree that a major problem in much of our government, politics, stock-market, and in our businesses is focusing on the short-term (numbers, quarterly profits, policies, stock price, next election, etc) and less focus on the long-term. Interestingly the more successful companies, like ones frequently held in derision by much of the public such as "big oil", try at least think and plan a much lot longer term.

[ks3484]

Where did this strain of Ebola come from? The news keeps saying "West Africa", but they fail to
realize or mention that "West Africa" is NOT a county, it is NOT a town, it is NOT a city, and it is NOT a state. "West Africa" is a region...

At this point I'd imagine it to be relatively easy for ISIL to kidnap and capture infected people in order to culture and weaponize the deadly strain of Ebola being carried. Why not put the tissue of an infected person into a sealed vile and then transport it to an American or European target(s) and then releasing the contents of the vile.

It would seem that until a vaccine is developed to counteract this strain of Ebola, restrictions, and/or isolationism, and/or escaping off of this planet are the only present forms of battling the germs being released, or germs to be released by the hundreds and hundreds Jihadist.

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[albrecht]

Here is an interesting opinion that I had not thought of, basic theory is Obama's Ebola policy and handling is related to political ratings....but not here at home- but in Africa. Doesn't seem to make sense but thinking on it it begins to hold some water. I recall Obama started his campaign by a world tour (derisively called by some the "Apologize for America" tour) and has always seemed to desire adoration and accolades (like the Nobel Peace Prize) from international and foreign bodies and people.
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2014/10/15/Obama-Risking-US-Ebola-Outbreak-His-Own-Ambitions

[VtaGeezer]

Actually, healthcare in Texas is quite good. I have been assigned to locations all over the USA, and Texas ranks highly. The truth of the matter is that the same thing would have occurred no matter to which hospital Duncan presented. Healthcare practitioners in the USA were not educated about ebola and its necessary precautions (indeed, the precautions initially advised by the CDC were inadequate). Now, they are educated and have set up their ERs appropriately (I was just at Texas Health Resources yesterday, as a matter of fact, and I saw it in action. What they have learned will benefit all hospitals). The events happened to transpire in Dallas, but you know as well as I do that it could have been anywhere. People are very good at coulda, woulda, shoulda in hindsight, but unfortunately, this disease is hell on healthcare practitioners specifically because of 1) its benign onset and 2) its hemorrhagic and diarrhea-causing effects. Even in full protective gear (not hazmat, as is erroneously reported), it is extremely difficult to work with these patients, to render humane treatment (like cleaning up their copious bloody diarrhea), and avoid accidental exposure - just ask the doctor who was successfully treated here with an experimental drug on his return from Africa. Rather than seeking to foment an inflammatory blame-game, the focus should be on what we are going to do now. More studies of ebola transmission are in progress, oddly enough, at the Southwest Research Institute in, uh, that's right, Texas, where units have been set up to explore both transmission and vaccine trials. Other efforts need to be undertaken, including dissemination of accurate information, training and refinement of quarantine procedures. Much remains to be done. What efforts are you making?

That's just more of the typical hubris and platitudes we've been getting from the medical institutions.  Every level has failed in Dallas from the first case presenting for diagnosis to handling infected waste to monitoring the exposed care providers. Every one.  And none of the failures are complicated or high tech.  These are all "WTF??"-level screw-ups.  Mistakes are one thing.  Repeated incompetence where expertise is expected is quite another.  Blame is entirely appropriate when incompetency is left in place and avoids responsibility.  Group hugs won't fix this.  And I can imagine the bill that Dallas Presbyt will send to the govt for their two weeks of fuck-ups that, at best, will cost others millions in associated disruption.   

[Juan]

I learned on DMRN that Ebola is a controlled false flag.

[PB the Deplorable]

...  And none of the failures are complicated or high tech.  These are all "WTF??"-level screw-ups.  Mistakes are one thing.  Repeated incompetence where expertise is expected is quite another.  Blame is entirely appropriate when incompetency is left in place and avoids responsibility.  Group hugs won't fix this...

You've just described the Obama Administration regarding allowing Ebola into the country perfectly.  It also is a good description of his policy of importing diseased Central American kids.  You know, the ones who are not only being allowed in, but are being bused and flown to all 50 states where they are infecting our school kids with Enterovirus D-168, and other exotic diseases we eliminated in the US decades ago.

WTF level screw-us, mistakes, repeated incompetence where expertise is expected, responsibility avoidance indeed.  If this gets out of hand, not only might this end the Obama Presidency prematurely, it just might bring on the end of the Democrat Party

[PB the Deplorable]

That's just more of the typical hubris and platitudes we've been getting...

Exactly

[VtaGeezer]

I learned on DMRN that Ebola is a controlled false flag.

The only rational partisan logic associated with the spread of Ebola is to assess the effects of the massive budget cuts imposed on the agencies responsible for disease prevention by Congress.  And we know whose idea that was. 

[Kelt]

The government of the USA now requires hospitals to publicize their quality and performance rankings in a variety of areas, if they want to participate in federal reimbursement programs. This is public information, readily accessible on the net. You can also request that any hospital you are considering provide this information to you.

Any time I've looked for Texas' performance in Health and Education 'on the net'  Texas is just about dead last.

[VtaGeezer]

You've just described the Obama Administration regarding allowing Ebola into the country perfectly.  It also is a good description of his policy of importing diseased Central American kids.  You know, the ones who are not only being allowed in, but are being bused and flown to all 50 states where they are infecting our school kids with Enterovirus D-168, and other exotic diseases we eliminated in the US decades ago.

WTF level screw-us, mistakes, repeated incompetence where expertise is expected, responsibility avoidance indeed.  If this gets out of hand, not only might this end the Obama Presidency prematurely, it just might bring on the end of the Democrat Party

Hollywood notwithstanding, CDC is a doesn't swoop in on helicopters and take over.  This situation is essentially the result of the Dallas hospital's multilevel incompetence with contagious disease and the refusal of its management to admit it was unprepared. 

[albrecht]

Hollywood notwithstanding, CDC is a doesn't swoop in on helicopters and take over.  This situation is essentially the result of the Dallas hospital's multilevel incompetence with contagious disease and the refusal of its management to admit it was unprepared.

The more the news comes out it seems more wtf. Even I a non-medically trained person would think piling up soiled sheets in a room is a suspect practice. Even if the guy didnt have a deadly disease. Ultimately though with an open-border n refusal to stop incoming people from infected countries the responsibility lands with the Feds. Hospitals, or even States, cant refuse people or keep people out. Simply not allowing people in by not granting a VISA and checking passports (ideally prior to departure) wouldve stopped this from happening- at least in this instance. That doesnt mean not helping or getting involved over in Africa but just basic, common-sense.

[albrecht]

The only rational partisan logic associated with the spread of Ebola is to assess the effects of the massive budget cuts imposed on the agencies responsible for disease prevention by Congress.  And we know whose idea that was.

I was wondering when youd get the talking points memo. This was meme floated by the felllw travellers for several days now. Of course, common-sense solutions like a quarantine, check, or even outright ban on VISAs for people flying from from infected countries is too easy a temporary solution while we help in Africa, develope protocols, vaccines, or even cures. Better to allow unfettered travel and open-borders and fight exotic diseases here once they arrive.