Started by ArtBellFan, April 08, 2008, 08:39:26 PM
Total Members Voted: 13
Voting closed: September 19, 2013, 09:57:21 PM
Quote from: zeebo on February 21, 2017, 12:27:14 PMI remember being intrigued by the flight transcript for the Valentich incident, which happened over Australia back in the 70's. Came across this pretty interesting explanation proposing what actually happened.
Quote from: Taaroa on February 21, 2017, 10:00:55 PMProbably the most reasonable explanation would be disorientation....
Quote from: zeebo on February 22, 2017, 12:22:07 AMYeah I hadn't heard of the tilted horizon at twilight effect. One could see how you'd end up in a spiral without knowing it, trusting your eyes, especially if distracted with unexplained lights seemingly following you around.
Quote from: Uncle Duke on July 27, 2017, 02:08:13 PMhttp://www.openminds.tv/witness-says-cloaking-ufo-had-usaf-insignia/40641A former colleague sent this to me today, the sighting report is noteworthy if for no other reason than it includes some of the worst witness sketches in the history of ufology.
Quote from: Chefist on July 30, 2017, 10:12:53 AMPretty good production...https://www.facebook.com/1921251074826616/videos/1921442728140784/
Quote from: Yorkshire Pud on July 30, 2017, 11:07:32 AMYeah, A dark room, someone to make a puppet, and a voice changer.
Quote from: Yorkshire Pud on July 30, 2017, 11:12:13 AMUSAF003 isn't very credible.
Quote from: Lord Grantham on August 01, 2017, 07:46:18 AMI'll bet they saw a standard aircraft through some kind of heat haze that they interpreted as "neural confusion". See example below.
Quote from: Uncle Duke on August 01, 2017, 10:55:17 AMReasonable bet, except for "USAF003" the witness claimed to have seen on the object. No way any markings can be seen on the Swiss Air Force F-5 in heat haze you used to illustrate your theory. Of course this presupposes the witness saw "USAF003" and a craft.
Quote from: Chefist on August 01, 2017, 11:00:54 AMI would think most experimental/TS craft would have no markings...like this drone.
Quote from: Uncle Duke on August 01, 2017, 12:12:00 PMD21 was retired over 40 years ago, unsure how/if they were marked while flying back in the 70s. If the craft the witness claimed to have seen recently did have markings identifying it correctly as an USAF a/c, it would have markings/tail codes that comply with established specs/standards, regs, and tech data. From personal experience, I can tell you how difficult it is to get a waiver to established markings on DoD a/c. Had the experience on B-2 back in the 80s, and as recently as the early 2000s on JSF (due to USN and USAF having different requirements). What's a pain is finding the specific organization responsible for specific markings. In my case, I was working on technically accurate crash rescue markings, with the responsible USAF organization being a small group in the Air Force Civil Engineering Support Agency. The corresponding USN authority was out of the USN Safety Center.
Quote from: Chefist on August 01, 2017, 01:16:38 PMI've often heard that about the procedures used to identify a/c. Here is a great pic of Gary Powers plane that was shot down (A/F pilot working for CIA). There were no markings on this craft, which was the highest TS/SCI project at the time.
Quote from: GravitySucks on August 01, 2017, 01:50:54 PMBy the time that Powers got shot down, the predecessors to the SR-71 were on order. Project Archangel >>> Oxcart was ongoing and we were buying titanium from the Soviet Union through a bunch of shell companies set up by the CIA. I think that was the most closely guarded TS/SCI program in 1960. The order for the first A-12s was placed on January 26, 1960. 6 days after the Kennedy inauguration. Powers was shot down on May 1, 1960.
Quote from: GravitySucks on August 01, 2017, 01:50:54 PMwe were buying titanium from the Soviet Union through a bunch of shell companies set up by the CIA
Quote from: Jackstar on August 01, 2017, 03:00:39 PMThere is absolutely no reason to accept any information given about Powers' identity, circumstance, or history at face value. Absolutely none.That said, the man is a quasi-hero, irrespective of other truths about that event. He meant well.
Quote from: Uncle Duke on August 01, 2017, 02:55:34 PMPowers was a "sheep dipped" USAFR (reserve vice regular conmission) pilot flying a CIA, not USAF a/c if I recall correctly. When the USAF bought their own U-2s, they wore USAF markings.