Started by ArtBellFan, April 08, 2008, 08:39:26 PM
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Quote from: Ruteger on February 03, 2011, 05:28:39 PMI wonder if anyone is so naive to cling to the theory that these manifestations originate from the physical plane - that is, an assembly line on some far away distant world? John Keel stated he thought these were demonic or spiritual in origin, and I think Jacques Vallee has also abandoned the ET explanation, favoring an extra-dimensional explanation. Whatever these UFOs are, they are not from Mars or any other physical world. I believe these objects originate from the spiritual (another dimension of reality) realm. Are they demonic? I think so. Mr. Keel thought so, and Mr. Vallee seems to point in that direction. Opinions?
Quote from: b_dubb on February 04, 2011, 03:00:04 AMso to solve the UFO phenomenon you add another layer of complexity? you have this unexplained phenomenon and rather than reach for corporeal solutions you dip into the spiritual plane? start with the simplest solution first: mis-identified aircraft or anomalous weather activity. then ... maybe some kind of obscure geomagnetic phenomenon. then perhaps consider the possibility that there was an experimental craft. and if that fails ... reach outside the box - consider an ET craft. but reaching outside the dimension? i don't see how that helps. regardless - it's all about the evidence. were there radar contacts? multipler witnesses? other?
Quote from: RecoveringNoorholic on March 12, 2011, 03:22:25 PMI went to the "UFO Truth" event in Port Townsend, WA a couple weeks ago and it was mostly unremarkable except for Peter Davenport's (of the National UFO Reporting Center) presentation. At the end of it he recalled the death of Todd Sees in PA but added something I'd never head before (this may have been the first time he told it), and I found interesting. He said, a little more than a decade ago, the FBI asked to interview him and he spoke to them for about 4 hours during which time they asked him about the contents of the NUFORC files. (This fact was corroborated by the Seattle Weekly in an article they did about Davenport a few weeks ago. That is, they verified that the agents Davenport identified were employed by the FBI and the FBI did confirm that those agents did speak to Davenport on the dates he indicated and at their instigation, though they wouldn't confirm the details of that conversation.) At the end of the conversation - and this is what I found interesting - the FBI asked if he had ever received a report that would indicate to him if "any agency of the United States government were engaged in extra-constitutional activities" (to which he replied, no). I remain undecided on the alien visitation question and the wording of this question puts me further in the camp of belief that sightings/abductions are phenomenon created by humans acting outside or above the law and that, at least some segment, of the law enforcement apparatus is investigating this possibility. [For those not familiar with Todd Sees, basically he was a guy in P.A. who went ATV'ing one day in 2003 and never returned. This coincided with neighbors reporting lights in the sky. His ATV was discovered with his clothes neatly folded and laying on top of it. After a 3 day search by 200 volunteers someone saw a severely mutilated human corpse in a tree. The local police, instead of removing the corpse, called the FBI who removed it and then, a few days later, returned it to the family in a lead coffin that had been bolted shut and welded at the seams. (Davenport says he thinks there was probably just dead weight in the coffin and no actual remains.) They listed the cause of death as a cocaine overdose.]
Quote from: Marc Knight on March 12, 2011, 05:39:45 PMThis happens every day outside the United States. His interview with the FBI could have been about several different topics, so it is a matter of conjecture based on his testimony at this point. If it were true, perhaps there is a real X-Files after all.
Quote from: RecoveringNoorholic on March 12, 2011, 06:43:26 PMI'm not quite following. What is a matter of conjecture? I guess if it wasn't clear, the FBI agents who interviewed Davenport weren't expressing the opinion that an agency of the government was engaged in "extra-constitutional activities", they were asking Davenport the question if he had ever come across information that would lead him to believe "any agency of the United States government were engaged in extra-constitutional activities." To which he replied that, no, he had not come across any such information. I guess I'm confused about the use of the word conjecture in this context.
Quote from: Marc Knight on March 12, 2011, 07:48:50 PMThe conjecture is his assertion as to what his conversation with the FBI was about. We only have his statement asserting what his meeting with the FBI was about. It could have been about anything. Apparently, only the fact that the meeting occurred can be corroborated, not the content of the meeting: "(This fact was corroborated by the Seattle Weekly in an article they did about Davenport a few weeks ago. That is, they verified that the agents Davenport identified were employed by the FBI and the FBI did confirm that those agents did speak to Davenport on the dates he indicated and at their instigation, though they wouldn't confirm the details of that conversation.)"
Quote from: b_dubb on July 16, 2011, 01:54:19 PMthat would be a candidate for explaining the triangle sightings. however, witnesses said that the triangle ufo blacked out the sky. this triangle (in the video on the linked page) does not black out the sky
Quote from: Peenman Enterprises on July 17, 2011, 03:32:26 AMI realize that, however eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. Given something that looks plausible, and lacking any pickled in a jar of alcohol aliens, I have to give a lot of leeway between the two.
Quote from: Jethro on August 11, 2011, 06:29:01 PMOh Lord, that looks like the thing John Lithgow as Lord John Whorfin / Dr. Emilio Lizardo and was trying was trying to escape earth in on the movie" The Adventures of Buckaroo Bonzi Arcross the 8th Deminsion." I think I'm the only person on the planet that actually liked the movie. I hope it made it back to the 8th deminsion. Maybe John Bigbootie was on board.