Art Bell

[GuerrillaUnReal]

I'm pretty ignorant of how that all works beyond stuff ive read people saying on forums.

And yeah, Art seemed to have distanced himself with haste. As much as i think keith appears to be a dick, I cant help but feel sorry for him. Hes probably got alot riding on this in terms of sweat and money and without Art its going to be a really tough sell without some major restructuring and a massive downscale of ambition. The subscriber fees arent feasible long term (even with art) and moving majorly into terrestrial radio isnt going to happen. Hes going to utilize the strength of the web and free media and make it work (expecting far less profit) or its down the drain.

My experience is from a previous life, so who knows. It's just idle speculation. I have no idea whatever is typical in radio or this thing. But I was told in that previous life to avoid radio people as they're all insane.

I have a bunch of thoughts on the money but I don't know if I feel like getting into all that.

[cweb]

My take is that MVs interview will have value in 20 years far more than had it been more focused on recent events.

Either that or his kickstarting the new plague of diaper powder inhalation.

Feels good, man.

[DarKPenguiN]

My experience is from a previous life, so who knows. It's just idle speculation. I have no idea whatever is typical in radio or this thing. But I was told in that previous life to avoid radio people as they're all insane.

I have a bunch of thoughts on that but I don't know if I feel like getting into all that at the moment.

Ha- I bet you have stories. I bet all celebs are probably a bit insane . It would probably be hard to be grounded and at some point the line between your entertainment persona and your real one could get fucked up. Imagine rush llimbah being you uncle and coming for thanksgiving, lol. Or how annoying it must be to live with Jim careey.

[Value Of Pi]

If I were a corporate sociopath at a large broadcasting interest, for example, which felt threatened by the return of a major competitor who had a real chance of cutting into one of our largest program's listener/advertiser base over the next 3-5 years, I'd probably do two things:

1.)  See to it that someone got that guy off the air.
2.)  Disrupt his fan base and foment a wave of intense outrage against him, making any future return less likely and less profitable.

I'm not a sociopath so I'd never do that kind of thing, but it's a logical strategy and corporations do attract sociopaths -  in 2011 a British researcher found that sociopathy is 4 times more prevalent among corporate CEO's than in the general population:

"Among the things he learned while researching his new book, “The Psychopath Test: A Journey Through the Madness Industry”: the incidence of psychopathy among CEOs is about 4 percent, four times what it is in the population at large."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2011/06/14/why-some-psychopaths-make-great-ceos/#3ba8a25d4fac

It's not that it couldn't happen or that I know that it isn't happening. I would just need some kind of solid evidence to believe that some corporation was actually doing this nonsense on this forum. For starters -- and not that this would prove anything -- how often are these tactics used by broadcast corporations against competitors? Do you know of any cases?

Also, Art is off the air and no longer any kind of threat to C2C or anyone else. Why would these corporate interests still be funding these activities? Are they afraid we'll finally convince Art to come back, he'll get back the dearly departed affiliates, and therefore they need to totally disrupt this forum before this can happen?

The ASS (Alleged Stalker Someone), BTW, makes more sense as a hired corporate goon. A couple of hundred bucks, go fire some shots around Art Bell's place, make a phone call, and forget you ever saw my face.

[Value Of Pi]

The guy showed up, announced that he was a troll and proceeded to do so for awhile (until it was played out.)  After that, he went away for awhile, sat all alone in his parents basement as all trolls do, and eventually realized that he missed the screwed up people here before returning.  Yes, there was trolling (and I'm sure he said things that were not very nice)- but the fact that he announced his intentions and people still decided to respond actually made it kind of funny.

And here we are.  No Art Bell to keep the thread on track.  Anybody have a documentary of adult babies to post here?
DP? The magic 8 ball says, 30 - 40.

Yes, WOTR is correct about DP's history insofar as trolling BellGab. See my or DP's posting history for my long, Columbo-like interrogation of this subject re: his nefarious practices. Be not fooled by any of his more mild-mannered appearances since that time.

[GravitySucks]

From my experience a non-compete depends on if the company is bought out or not. If DMDN is bought out (which it wouldn't be) the purchaser would be responsible for fulfilling your contract as part of the original companies debts. If the company folds then you have to get involved with bankruptcy proceedings to get a piece of the assets. Since DMDN doesn't have any assets that I'm aware, that'd probably be an act of futility. Notice Art removed himself completely from this entity although Keith has been the heat magnet all along.

But after hearing about Amy's non-compete, who knows what's in those deals?

Also anyone notice Art was lying about Howard replacing Heather on MITD?

Everything Howard said was consistent with what Art said.

[DarKPenguiN]

Yes, WOTR is correct about DP's history insofar as trolling BellGab. See my or DP's posting history for my long, Columbo-like interrogation of this subject re: his nefarious practices. Be not fooled by any of his more mild-mannered appearances since that time.

I bite my thumb at thee, sir.

I have been nothing but selfless and humble even amidst the relentless bullying and victimization I face here by the likes of you and your ilk.

[Value Of Pi]

The making of a legend...

Don't leave me down here, rekcuf. I don't wan-na be a crimefighter.

[Richard Groyper]

I bite my thumb at thee, sir.

I have been nothing but selfless and humble even amidst the relentless bullying and victimization I face here by the likes of you and your ilk.

My favorite word is "ilk." Love it.

[Richard Groyper]

Don't leave me down here, rekcuf. I don't wan-na be a crimefighter.

*pulls rope up* There you are! Safe and sound, Pi. 

[Chronaut]

It's not that it couldn't happen or that I know that it isn't happening. I would just need some kind of solid evidence to believe that some corporation was actually doing this nonsense on this forum. For starters -- and not that this would prove anything -- how often are these tactics used by broadcast corporations against competitors? Do you know of any cases?

Well we already know for a fact that Premiere didn’t just use shills; they were actually caught running an extensive shill division of their own called “Premiere On Call”:
http://gawker.com/5778740/talk-radio-is-fake-now

It’s a pretty small step from that, to using shills here - I can think of one program in particular that hates this place with a passion.  And apparently corporate shills are a booming business these days across the board:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2618833/identity-management/cyber-shill-business-is-booming.html

Did you notice how much of the troll behavior here fits the seven criteria for identifying shills that I posted earlier?  It’s an uncanny match.  Also, somebody intentionally scared Art off the air, so we have A.)  Art literally forced off the air through a focused and persistent series of hostile actions, and then B.)  a whole bunch of fuckers I’ve never seen here before inciting a goddamn riot around here (and elsewhere online) for weeks.  It could be a coincidence:  it could be that a bunch of freaks were just that ready to go apeshit about Art’s latest “retirement” regardless of the circumstances.  I guess I’m just not a big believer in that kind of closely correlated coincidence, because it looks like a coordinated effort to me.  Granted, it’s a circumstantial argument.  But we don’t have access to the information we’d need to build an evidentiary case.  Only a forensic analysis of the IP logs might be able to prove it, if then.

But I remember how badly the competition was quaking in their loafers the last time Art returned to broadcasting.  That’s motive â€" a big fat nagging motive, actually.  I can’t be sure, of course.  But all of the pieces fit together easily.  I just don’t know another theory that can do that.

Also, Art is off the air and no longer any kind of threat to C2C or anyone else. Why would these corporate interests still be funding these activities? Are they afraid we'll finally convince Art to come back, he'll get back the dearly departed affiliates, and therefore they need to totally disrupt this forum before this can happen?

That all sounds plausible to me.  If it were my project and I were some corporate sleaze without a moral compass, I’d nuke his entire career:  force him into hiding and torch every social media outlet his fans participate in so his entire “brand” was radioactive.  Why be half-assed about it if you’ve got the bank to reduce everything to ashes?  If I were a psycho corporate prick with a vested interest, I’d sleep better at night knowing it was all completely FUBAR. 

The ASS (Alleged Stalker Someone), BTW, makes more sense as a hired corporate goon. A couple of hundred bucks, go fire some shots around Art Bell's place, make a phone call, and forget you ever saw my face.

I agree.  It’s never made sense to me that the prick who’s crazy enough to fire shots at his place, just happened to live nearby....huh? 
I think the obvious chain of logic is motive:  who’s better off with Art Bell off the air?  That’s your prime suspect.  People have called me paranoid for openly contemplating the conspiracy angle here, but fuck:  if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck…  The other explanations require some pretty damn unlikely coincidences, like some nut with an inexplicable vendetta just happening to live in his vicinity.  Greed, on the other hand â€" that’s simple.  And waaay common.

[Richard Groyper]

Art at best misled the audience about some show before MITD saying Howard and Vara were the picks for that show. Howard was talking about taking over MITD as were everyone else directly involved.

Art dindu nuffin!

[SciFiAuthor]

It's funny- when I typed that, you crossed my mind.  No, I was not thinking that you were a troll, defending Noory... Only that you are one of the few who I recall actually having done so.

Having said that, your first impression may have been correct.

The old days were a hoot. I was the troll. But I was a kind of crappy one in that even I made fun of George's singing. I mean, how can you not? But then good old "Golden Throat" Noory had to go and reveal his true corporate shill self and forced me to jump ship.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Who are the shills being paid by Premiere? I can't seem to get an answer on this aspect of the vast conspiracy BellGab is facing at the moment.

[SciFiAuthor]

I think you should take a break from BellGab.  It doesn't seem to be doing good things for you.

I'm FINE!!!!!!!!! *Twitch*

[Chronaut]

Yes, WOTR is correct about DP's history insofar as trolling BellGab. See my or DP's posting history for my long, Columbo-like interrogation of this subject re: his nefarious practices. Be not fooled by any of his more mild-mannered appearances since that time.

Yep, it's "Troll Psychopathology 101" - it's not enough to fling the shitstain of your existence all over a bunch of innocent people for no good reason...then you have to go back later and win their approval.  Only then is mindfuck complete.

No thanks.

[GravitySucks]

Art at best misled the audience about some show before MITD saying Howard and Vara were the picks for that show. Howard was talking about taking over MITD as were everyone else directly involved.

What I heard was Howard saying he had been offered a 3 hour show that would run before MITD and then he said he was asked if he could pick up some days around the Christmas holidays, but then Art quit. I will listen to it again, but I am pretty sure that is what I heard. I did not hear him say anything about being offered the MITD show other than to pick up some shows over the holidays.

[Value Of Pi]

I take back my apology

Good for you! I can't imagine what would have possessed you to apologize to him in the first place. Except, of course, that DP himself might have possessed you. I'm pretty sure he has the Devil in him.

[SciFiAuthor]

What I heard was Howard saying he had been offered a 3 hour show that would run before MITD and then he said he was asked if he could pick up some days around the Christmas holidays, but then Art quit. I will listen to it again, but I am pretty sure that is what I heard. I did not hear him say anything about being offered the MITD show other than to pick up some shows over the holidays.

You remember correctly, I just listened to it. It's consistent.

[GravitySucks]

Who are the shills being paid by Premiere? I can't seem to get an answer on this aspect of the vast conspiracy BellGab is facing at the moment.

I wish they would offer me a slot. My contract with MV runs out at the end of February.

[DarKPenguiN]

Yep, it's "Troll Psychopathology 101" - it's not enough to fling the shitstain of your existence all over a bunch of innocent people for no good reason...then you have to go back later and win their approval.  Only then is mindfuck complete.

No thanks.

I'm only after your approval Chronaut. Then shall my life be complete . I dont  care about the rest of these assholes.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Let me double check. I'm going by what someone said to me in a PM. I already know Art is intentionally misleading because of what Heather and bateman have said on this message board. But I was told Howard said the same thing today.

[DarKPenguiN]

Good for you! I can't imagine what would have possessed you to apologize to him in the first place. Except, of course, that DP himself might have possessed you. I'm pretty sure he has the Devil in him.

If the devil is truly inside me he needs to start paying for at least half the beer. That fucker owes me.

[SciFiAuthor]

If the devil is truly inside me he needs to start paying for at least half the beer. That fucker owes me.

Jeez, and a DRUNK to top it all off.

[trostol]

really..people are back..or still believing Premiere had any involvement

[Value Of Pi]

"Historic" is your word choice, not mine. Perhaps special, but not historic.

And I think there's plenty of reason to believe it will be listened to in the future. The stuff that seems so important now will be an asterisk.

Anyway, I'm happy with how the interview went. Some aren't. That's how it goes.

I'm happy with your performance and I'm happy the interview happened at all. But there's nothing wrong with wishing you had learned more from and about Art as regards his latest life events.

That's not a criticism on my part, and for your part, it would just be a sign of a radio or podcast guy who wants to get a great interview. You don't need false or exaggerated praise from anyone; you're talented enough without that.

[Chronaut]

really..people are back..or still believing Premiere had any involvement

I don't have any beliefs - everything in my head is subject to change as new information arrives.  But given the current information I tend to favor the theory that a competitor is responsible, because greed and fear are the clearest motives I can see.

[K_Dubb]

Yep, it's "Troll Psychopathology 101" - it's not enough to fling the shitstain of your existence all over a bunch of innocent people for no good reason...then you have to go back later and win their approval.  Only then is mindfuck complete.

No thanks.

That's the part I don't get if they're supposed to be working for somebody.  Once their teeth are drawn they still want to hang out, despite the shunning.  That's just lonely-guy behavior.  I kind of miss King Of Kings and his singing, but using Art's personal tragedies to get his attention was over the line.

[trostol]

I don't have any beliefs - everything in my head is subject to change as new information arrives.  But given the current information I tend to favor the theory that a competitor is responsible, because greed and fear are the clearest motives I can see.

even though ART himself on the cast more or less said no to that thought?

[Autistic Star Children]

I was very proud of you MV

fuck the fuck off. Kissing mv's ass so much I want to start hating MV too

If we researched the first response to each of MV's last 200 posts, you would appear the most.

Maybe we should investigate this further... Why is Gravity sucks obsessed with approval and or friendship from MV? Is it really a modes thing?