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Jackstar

Quote from: WhiteCrow on August 03, 2015, 12:59:44 AM
Jackstar, Did you hit your chin with that quick knee jerk reaction to my post?

There's nothing quick about it. This was hashed out in the other thread and the way I remember it, you're the only Luddite still whinging about this.

There's a variety of ways to get around this issue, and your stick-to-yer-guns attitude about this is straight outta 1998--like your microphone.


Quote from: WhiteCrow on August 03, 2015, 01:09:37 AM
IMHO ... It's just plain ol common sense to offer the most widely used form of on line payments, credit cards.

PayPal will gladly take your credit card. The most insipid thing about your argument as you present it, is this "What about poor me, with my credit card??" Yeah? What about poor you? What is it, carpal tunnel? ADHD? Fuckin' leprosy? Type the numbers in! Push the big rectangle!


Quote from: WhiteCrow on August 03, 2015, 01:28:07 AM
they still push to link your debit account as the preferd form of payment. Why? Higher credit card fees, it's not to do the consumers any favors.

Surprise! They're a bank and want to screw you. This makes them exactly no different from the bank that is issuing your credit card that you're afraid to use online.


Quote from: WhiteCrow on August 03, 2015, 12:59:44 AM
Money is being left on the table, needlessly.

Oh spare me.



Quote from: Uncle Duke on August 03, 2015, 12:44:51 AM
So your lack of comment points to your agreement  the guests on MITD have been less than stellar.  You're like an onion Jack, peel back the layers and we can find the odd nugget of wisdom and rationality.

I'm still livid with furious rage that Art was making a big deal about, "Graham Hancock was gonna be my next guest on Dark Matter when I quit, so here he is now," when Paul Moller was actually the next scheduled guest. Shrug. Everything else seems trivial in comparison--although I cannot rightly complain about anything, now that Graham "Professor 420" Hancock has delivered the goods. That was epic.

There's a story that Kurt Cobain told, before the industry chewed him up and spit him out into the gutter--he said, "if I had known then what I know now, I would have taken all the ideas that I crammed into Nevermind and stretched them out into a dozen albums, but I thought I had to prove something." I will leave you now, to accuse me of telling irrelevant stories.

Uncle Duke

Sorry, I was removed at least a generation from the grunge movement.  Only things I remember about Mr Cobain were 1) he liked ugly flannel shirts, 2) he married a woman who likes to drink and expose herself, 3) he snuffed it.  I have a great deal of confidence in Art to not make the same mistakes.

WhiteCrow

Quote from: SaucyRossy on August 03, 2015, 01:35:51 AM
I was playing around with apple maps......kind of weird that there is no ice up north.

Oh yeah the polar melt down... A few back on a trip to Glacier National Park, they had a doom and gloom display on how the park's glaciers had radically receded in recent decades.  Complete with 8x10 glossies comparing 1940s-60s glaciers to present.  What they forgot, tucked away in another building, were pictures of the history of building one of the parks lodges taken in the 1920s, a decade of higher temperatures.
The Glaciers pictured in the 1920s history exhibit were exactly the same as present day receded glaciers in the doom and gloom climate change exhibition.

I have pictures of the displays if doubt above  :-*


Jackstar

Quote from: Uncle Duke on August 03, 2015, 01:57:24 AM
Only things I remember about Mr Cobain were


Let's not forget--also a DeMolay.

Quote from: Uncle Duke on August 03, 2015, 12:44:51 AM
... streaming issues...  Ironically I never had problem one with DM on SXM...

Neither did I

Quote from: WhiteCrow on August 03, 2015, 01:09:37 AM
IMHO ... It's just plain ol common sense to offer the most widely used form of on line payments, credit cards.
Each form of payment has advantages and disadvantages, this info is widely available on the net.

I don't get it either

I don't want to sign up with PayPal.  If there is an issue, I want to deal with my credit card only - one entity to go to, not two who can point the finger at each other instead of resolving it.

Isn't it better for the show as well?  The CC company is going to take their fee, and PPal is going to charge the show an additional fee when people use them

WhiteCrow

Quote from: Jackstar on August 03, 2015, 01:45:14 AM
There's nothing quick about it. This was hashed out in the other thread and the way I remember it, you're the only Luddite still whinging about this.


PayPal will gladly take your credit card. The most insipid thing about your argument as you present it, is this "What about poor me, with my credit card??" Yeah? What about poor you? What is it, carpal tunnel? ADHD? Fuckin' leprosy? Type the numbers in! Push the big rectangle!


Surprise! They're a bank and want to screw you. This makes them exactly no different from the bank that is issuing your credit card that you're afraid to use online.


don't ur know Mr Jackstar, one of  my favorite sayings is "everyone learns in their own way and own speed".... I'm not always right but on this one, I am. You'll learn in good time, buddy, as will my dearest and  bestest friend in the broadcast world Mr Keith.

And yes,  If ever going to call into a show again, I'll take your advice and get one of those new fangled 'snipe' accounts and a Bob c crane wooden ear phones/mics, that good ol boy Art is always pitching.

Jackstar

Quote from: Paper*Boy on August 03, 2015, 02:21:37 AM
I don't get it either

I don't want to sign up with PayPal.


No one cares what you want either.

Jackstar

Quote from: WhiteCrow on August 03, 2015, 02:22:16 AM
You'll learn in good time, buddy.


Skip to the denouement. I would like to know what signs in the tea leaves to seek to know that your wisdom on this matter has been proven true.

Quote from: Jackstar on August 03, 2015, 02:22:52 AM

No one cares what you want either.

They care even less about what you think, they're already getting your money,

WhiteCrow

Quote from: Jackstar on August 03, 2015, 02:22:52 AM

No one cares what you want either.

Actually I do have a PayPal account, to use on eBay with sellers that aren't credit card worthy merchants. Hopefully that isn't Mr Keith's problem. <sarcastic joke>

Jackstar

Quote from: Paper*Boy on August 03, 2015, 02:31:25 AM
They care even less about what you think, they're already getting your money,


Yes, but I don't have the same kind of ego investment in that kind of thing as you do.


Quote from: Jackstar on August 03, 2015, 02:33:05 AM

Yes, but I don't have the same kind of ego investment in that kind of thing as you do.

Is that your big attempt at putting people down?

I have to say if this is the best you can do, then I really miss the old Jackstar.

WhiteCrow

Quote from: Jackstar on August 03, 2015, 02:25:03 AM

Skip to the denouement. I would like to know what signs in the tea leaves to seek to know that your wisdom on this matter has been proven true.

Because PayPal was originally set up to help facilitate transactions between consumers and merchants that didn't qualify for credit card transactions. There are a few of us around that still remember, that the large growth of Flea-bay happened when PayPal offered a quicker and safer way to make purchases on EBay.

To help you understand, Mr Jackstar, Research who owns both PayPal and EBay

ge30542

Quote from: ItsOver on August 02, 2015, 09:24:56 PM
Ed Dames has RV'd that it's him so it isn't him.

Funny, very funny. Yep, it ain't The Major.

Meister_000

Quote from: SaucyRossy on August 03, 2015, 01:35:51 AM
I was playing around with apple maps......kind of weird that there is no ice up north.

Holy God! Is that for real? Shouldn't there be 4 or 5 times that much?

[edit, sorry, I didn't check subsequent posts before responding]

ge30542

Love the show Art.
Tune In Pro has worked perfectly for me every night so far.
Archives also no problem for me.
Thanks Keith for your effort, we know you got "skin in the game" also.

Cue Dancing Queen...........

Meister_000

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on August 03, 2015, 12:50:48 AM
It's because if you've ever run afoul of paypal for any reason and had an account suspended then you can't ever use that credit card number associated with that account to pay for anything ever again using a paypal gateway. I don't get the lack of a second gateway thing, it's an easily solved problem.

I had an email exchange with Keith two weeks prior to Art's return regarding the well known problems with PayPal and the need for an alternate payment method, and he essentially blew me off with "well I've never had any problems".

phrodo

Is the new producer Airyn maybe?

onan

Quote from: phrodo on August 03, 2015, 03:36:15 AM
Is the new producer Airyn maybe?

I think Dave Nori is looking for a job.

Jackstar

Quote from: WhiteCrow on August 03, 2015, 02:47:29 AM
To help you understand, Mr Jackstar, Research who owns both PayPal and EBay


The thirty-third clone of Peter Thiel. Look. I get that you don't like PayPal. No one whose opinion counts gives a shit. That my opinion on this matter mirrors theirs is essentially coincidental.

Once again! There are methods to skirt the real issues you address, and basically none of either of them have anything to do with Art Bell's show. It's his show. I hope by next year he lets everyone in the world pay with Bitcoin except you.

Bring on those tea leaves or marbles or cotton candy or whatever it is you got all up in there. Once again you've been deliberately obtuse and ignored my question in favor of your rebel reprobate agenda. It's way more rude than it is fascinating and you've about run the joke to death.

Jackstar

Quote from: Paper*Boy on August 03, 2015, 02:31:25 AM
They care even less about what you think, they're already getting your money,


Is that your big attempt at putting people down?

I have to say if this is the best you can do, then I really miss the old... oh, dammit



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBkBS4O3yvY

WhiteCrow

Quote from: Jackstar on August 03, 2015, 05:43:29 AM

The thirty-third clone of Peter Thiel. Look. I get that you don't like PayPal. No one whose opinion counts gives a shit. That my opinion on this matter mirrors theirs is essentially coincidental.

Once again! There are methods to skirt the real issues you address, and basically none of either of them have anything to do with Art Bell's show. It's his show. I hope by next year he lets everyone in the world pay with Bitcoin except you.

Bring on those tea leaves or marbles or cotton candy or whatever it is you got all up in there. Once again you've been deliberately obtuse and ignored my question in favor of your rebel reprobate agenda. It's way more rude than it is fascinating and you've about run the joke to death.

Wow dude you missed the boat on this one. I don't have any dislike for PayPal. As posted earlier I have a PayPal account. Fact of the matter, if Keith only offered credit and debit card payments, I'd encourage him to offer PayPal too. I'm purposely, gently beating up Mr Keith to hopefully get Arts' attention, that money is being left on the table and Art forces Keith to do a better job for his number one customer.     .

.....Why are you an Art Bell hater? ....Don't you want Art to be successful? 

My goodness you're a deep undercover DaveBot!
(Smiley face crap)


WhiteCrow

Quote from: Meister_000 on August 03, 2015, 03:07:24 AM
I had an email exchange with Keith two weeks prior to Art's return regarding the well known problems with PayPal and the need for an alternate payment method, and he essentially blew me off with "well I've never had any problems".

I too had an email mail exchange with Keith, offered him a source of free professional guidance, to resolve his 'known' software point of sale issues, to accept monthly recurring credit and debit card payments.
Got the same reply. oh well,  I've tried, done with this issues. He'll come around when he's ready too.
Just a question of time now. No skin off my chinny chin chin. And thank you Mr Jackstar for playing your part. We've bored the gentle readers of Art's thread enough.... Don't you think so?

DanTSX

Quote from: Jackstar on August 03, 2015, 01:45:14 AM
There's nothing quick about it. This was hashed out in the other thread and the way I remember it, you're the only Luddite still whinging about this.

There's a variety of ways to get around this issue, and your stick-to-yer-guns attitude about this is straight outta 1998--like your microphone.


PayPal will gladly take your credit card. The most insipid thing about your argument as you present it, is this "What about poor me, with my credit card??" Yeah? What about poor you? What is it, carpal tunnel? ADHD? Fuckin' leprosy? Type the numbers in! Push the big rectangle!


Surprise! They're a bank and want to screw you. This makes them exactly no different from the bank that is issuing your credit card that you're afraid to use online.


Oh spare me.



I'm still livid with furious rage that Art was making a big deal about, "Graham Hancock was gonna be my next guest on Dark Matter when I quit, so here he is now," when Paul Moller was actually the next scheduled guest. Shrug. Everything else seems trivial in comparison--although I cannot rightly complain about anything, now that Graham "Professor 420" Hancock has delivered the goods. That was epic.

There's a story that Kurt Cobain told, before the industry chewed him up and spit him out into the gutter--he said, "if I had known then what I know now, I would have taken all the ideas that I crammed into Nevermind and stretched them out into a dozen albums, but I thought I had to prove something." I will leave you now, to accuse me of telling irrelevant stories.


Jack star actually makese sense here.  But hen again, he is arguing against WC.


lotion on the skin.....

Freyja

Quote from: DanTSX on August 02, 2015, 10:04:35 PM
Then don't pay and go away.

It's $5 holy shit.  this is two dudes doing the show, not a Silicon Valley startup with $30m in angel investor funds rolling in every quarter.   Support art or don't.  It's not about the money for any of us.  It's about making this work.

Can I pay you $5 to go whine to someone else?

Seriously....what do you know about business?

It seems many of you don't have the ability to read and comprehend the written word.

I NEVER complained about paying my $5. I AM NOT affected by the price increase on Aug. 20. I would gladly pay double that for archives to Art's show. So would many other loyal listeners who have followed Art over the last few decades. That is NOT THE POINT!!

The points are:

* many loyal fans will pay to support costs for the live show and get archives, wormhole as a bonus
* other loyal fans will not pay a subscription cost and will either only listen live, record the show and/or attempt to find archived shows elsewhere ( pirate)
* Art & Keith need to attract a larger new audience; large market on the east coast which makes listening to the show live difficult for most
* listeners who can't listen to the show live and pay for archive access want easy slick access on the device of their choice
* listeners who are not able to listen live and count on the archives to listen to the show will stop paying if the experience of getting the program on their device of choice is clumsy, awkward, frustrating and labor intensive
* new listeners need an opportunity to get hooked on MITD before they will pay...and then now being asked to pay more
* even though there can be no archives without a live show, some listeners only care about their experience in accessing the paid archives; stating that a price increase is necessary to support streaming the live show free is not a great selling point for those who can't listen live
*Art and Keith need to consider both the loyal following that Art has...those who will pay anything to support him and those who won't, listeners new and old to make MITD a viable business success.
*MITD the show is beyond stellar; we could not ask for more. Now the back end needs to be brought up to the same level of excellence: ease to sign up and pay via payment vehicle of choice, ease of streaming/DL/RSS for any device of choice, ease of finding the "wormhole" instantly on the site during the show etc.
* raising the price after only 1 month since launch, without both having a slick back end in place, along with not giving a new audience more time to get hooked on the show is a mistake IMHO

I and everyone here want nothing more that for Art, Keith and MITD to be a great success for as long as Art is willing to do the show and is having fun!!

....and btw I know a lot about business, product development, marketing, customer satisfaction...been doing it professionally for several decades, but that isn't any of your business.  ;)

   
 

DanTSX

Quote from: FightTheFuture on August 03, 2015, 12:45:24 AM
There's a lot of very talented, up & coming, young producers out there that would leap at the opportunity to work with Art. He should look into it.


Why should he trust them, and deal with their inexperience.


For fucks sake the show has been on for two weeks.  It's Art and Keith running everything for the most part,(and I suspect they want to keep it this way for good reasons).   Give them the room they need and they will make the show and it's associated items what they need to be. 


I love all of the bitching abput payment systems.  Because after art and keith finally go with some big name point of sale management system that goes beyond the scope of what they know, what works, and what is comfortable for them at the moment.....you fucking crybabies still won't fucking join, and will find some other nitpicky bullshit excuse why it's not worth the cost of the equivalent of my fucking breakfast.

I really feel like y'all are just going out of your way to be disruptive clowns and not actually contribute anything, let alone even just listening.   I just don't get it.   It's a free market, and a free show while it's airing live.   Art wants it to be the best he can produce.  He's a perfectionist and not afraid of technology or leaning hard on vendors.   But give the guy a chance.  Holy shit.   If he tried to tackle all of the issues of a leading edge point of sale, and everything else you guys are demanding, he wouldn't had been starting July 20th 2015, and he would have to bring other swinging dicks into the fold to get everything done.   Art and keith will get it done.  Be patient.

A week ago I would had told you that you hand not have had Art this good since 2003.  But after two weeks, I'm inclined to say that you haven't have heard Art this good EVER.   This is literally his finest hour.   How dare you shit on it because he uses 2013 payment technology on a show that is beyond 2016 in production and talent.

Jackstar

Quote from: Freyja on August 03, 2015, 06:28:25 AM
....and btw I know a lot about business, product development, marketing, customer satisfaction...been doing it professionally for several decades, but that isn't any of your business.  ;)


So basically, the odds are pretty good that you've been groped by Andy Dick.

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