Art Bell

[kingotnw]

This Oates thing is insane. Not only was that whole situation insane, but this situation of Dave putting him on the air even though Premiere and his producers apparently begged him not to, is almost as crazy. To anyone who thinks Art is out of line here... Being accused of being a pedophile is no joke. The courts agreed, as Oates settled out of court with Art. Dave putting this guy on the air is just unimaginable to me. Dave wouldn't even have a career if not for Art Bell. No matter what the situation, the man should have some respect for the man who built Dave's glass house for him.

To those saying that only us care about this... Way off base. C2C's page is FILLED with hundreds and hundreds of people pissed off. Even Dave fans, are at heart C2C listeners, at least they think they are anyways. They seek knowledge, as most who listen to shows like C2C do. Dave's fans on the C2C Facebook page have no only been listening to the news about Art and this Oates business, but they seem to in fact being researching it on their own and then coming back upset and canceling their memberships.

To put Oates on the air after what he did... It's sick. Most rational, even irrational, human beings will recognize how grotesque Dave's attempt at swiping at Art was. You don't goof around with things like pedophilia. Oates had no business being on that, or any other show for that matter. Oates is lucky Art only sued him. Art has a lot of money. People have gone missing in the desert for doing far less. If someone started calling me a pedophile, a visit from the cops serving them papers would be the least of their worries. I am not a violent man, but some lines just cannot be crossed, and when someone is stupid enough to cross them, there must be swift repercussions.

Dave can go to hell, and so can Premiere for airing that crap. I like George Knapp, but I refuse to listen to C2C, no matter who is hosting, from this point forward.

[elbee]

The vast majoriy of the new arrivals supported Noory and were salivating up his drivel when he showed up on the Noory SUCKS thread.

It was us founding members who were not swayed by this BS

Also, I canceled steam link in 2008, that's when noory started to really suck. Anyone who STILL paying this guy is a moron and shouldn't be on this board!

[elbee]

And I want to make it clear, I wasn't defending Oats, I was curious as to if the whole story was even true, as I had never heard Art or Oats side of any of it.

It seemed incredible that someone who falsely accused art on the air of being a pedophile was even allowed back on the airwaves at all...

Noory - your nice guy routine is over!

[kingotnw]

And I want to make it clear, I wasn't defending Oats, I was curious as to if the whole story was even true, as I had never heard Art or Oats side of any of it.

It seemed incredible that someone who falsely accused art on the air of being a pedophile was even allowed back on the airwaves at all...

Noory - your nice guy routine is over!

I'm assuming you have seen this by now, but here are the court documents in case you haven't.

http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg14199.html

[elbee]

That was too much reading hahah

But from others posts Ive now got the jist.

But everyone already knew the story and I didn't - hence my disbelief

[kingotnw]

That was too much reading hahah

But from others posts Ive now got the jist.

But everyone already knew the story and I didn't - hence my disbelief

Here are some important points...



The April 3 broadcast (and rebroadcast) are not the only times
Stephens and Oates have defamed Bell. Witnesses have come forward
describing several other incidents where both Oates and Stephens
sought to harm Bell by making false and defamatory statements. In
particular, witnesses have described an incident during which
Oates made the following false and defamatory statements:

That "Mr. Bell is a pedophile;"
That Oates "had proof that Mr. Bell was arrested for molesting
boys;"
That "it is a 'running joke' among people Mr. Oates knows in the
radio industry that Mr. Bell molests boys;" and
That Mr. Bell likes to travel to Thailand to have sex with little
boys and has actually served time in jail for these crimes.
(See Exhibit E.) These statements were made in person, in a
public location, where numerous other people may have heard Oates
defamatory comments. (Id. at  3.)

In connection with the above-referenced defamatory statements,
Oates also confirmed that he was plotting his revenge on Bell,
stating repeatedly that he planned to "make Art pay for
embarrassing me on his radio show."

The defamatory comments described above were made with the utmost
seriousness, and without any hint that Oates was making a joke.
(Exhibit E at  4.) These statements were made in Vancouver,
Canada. One of the witnesses has also testified that she is
"afraid of Mr. Oates and believe Mr. Bell has reason to be
afraid of him as well." (Exhibit E at  7.) The same witness went
on to state that she considers Oates to be "a scary and
unpredictable individual." (Id. at  5.)

In another incident, a third witness has described separate acts
of defamation by Stephens. In particular, Stephens told this
other witness that:
Art Bell was convicted in Nye County Nevada on a child
pornography charge;
Bell was part of a ring of five people who were arrested and
convicted for child pornography; and
Bell had also been found guilty on pornography charges in San
Diego.
As with the separate defamatory statements made by Oates,
Stephens' defamatory statements were made in all seriousness,
without any suggestion that the comments were a mere joke. Each
of these statements is false.

The defamatory allegations from Oates and Stephens have not
ceased - far from it. Among other things, Stephens has
constructed a new Internet website entitled "Shady Pines" to
serve as a vehicle for the continued dissemination of false and
defamatory statements regarding Art Bell. (See Exhibit F (a print
out of some of the content on Shady Pines).) Among other things,
Stephens' Shady Pines website contains explicit allegations that
Bell engages in sadomasochistic, homosexual activities, is a
rapist, and a pornographer. (Id.) Stephens website states on the
very first page that "Shady Pines is NOT humor." (Id.)

Stephens' and Oates' attacks have not stopped with Bell, but have
expanded to include Bell's associates and employers. (Id.)
Stephens recently posted a false allegation that Bell's
webmaster, Keith Rowland, was arrested for child molestation in
Arizona in 1989. (Exhibit G.) As with all of Stephens' and Oates
fantastic rantings, this too is apparantly false and defamatory.
(Id.)

Defendants each conspired with the other to cause the harms
suffered by Bell and alleged herein. Defendants each had
knowledge of and agreed to both the objective and course of
conduct engaged in to cause harm to Bell. Defendants' wrongful
acts directed towards Bell were carried out pursuant to their
conspiratorial agreement. Defendants' conspiracy has resulted in
significant harm to Bell.

Oates admitted to third-party witnesses that he was planning to
get Bell and that Stephens was acting in concert with him. The
overt acts directed against Bell by Oates and Stephens commenced
with the April 3 broadcast during which Oates admitted he knew
the content of the material Stephens was planning to disseminate,
and Stephens knew his allegations were without any support.
Moreover, Stephens' recent postings on his Internet site confirm
that he is acting in concert with Oates. (See Exhibit F.)

As a result of Defendants' slanderous statements, Bell has
suffered mental anguish, severe damage to his reputation, shame,
disgrace, mortification, hurt feelings, and other damages to be
proved at trial.

As a result of Defendants' slanderous statements, Bell has also
suffered damage to his business, trade, profession, and
occupation, including a loss of revenue and the requirement that
he expend significant time and personal effort (to the detriment
of his professional life) defending himself against Defendants'
past and ongoing acts of defamation. Bell is now not able to
participate in the full number of broadcasts he did last year.
That change has been necessary in order for Bell to have
sufficient time to respond to false and defamatory statements and
deal with the emotional distress those statements have caused
him.

On April 8, 1999 Bell requested that Oates and Stephens retract
their defamatory statements made on Oates' show in substantially
as conspicuous a manner as the original statements were made.
(See Exhibit H.) The retractions were not made as requested.

[aldousburbank]

I was driving on the 40 through Arizona the other day and was surprised to see an exit 'Fort Rock Road.'

Yes, I once posted the pic. Stopped and pissed there many a time.

[aldousburbank]

Couple things, if someone publicly accused me of pedophilia, I would be accused of murder the next day.

I love you man!

[onan]

Yes, I once posted the pic. Stopped and pissed there many a time.

Now we know the origination of the creature Ft Rock.

[Harmness]

Yes, I once posted the pic. Stopped and pissed there many a time.

I've worked on that ranch and neighbored it for years.   One of the neatest places in Arizona.  I just wish they'd move the Flying Saucer base off of it.

[BattyBrooke]

Couple things, if someone publicly accused me of pedophilia, I would be accused of murder the next day.

I am not certain noory has the capability to understand the consequences of his decisions. Not that removes culpability, but I am not sure he is bright enough to manipulate anything. It could be, he chose to put Oates (does that rhyme with goatsey?) on for the very real fact noory doesn't research anything. Also noory is more than childish in his conversational style... that may also be his thought process. Either way it was stupid.

Oates on the other hand is demonstrably vile and malicious in his intent.

All that being said, noory's choice may have (hopefully) sunk the ship.

I'd probably agree except Art's FB post states Noory "over the advice/objection of his Producers" chose to go on with the show so he can hardly claim ignorance. This particular issue was definitely researched and undoubtedly chatted about between he & Oates. Bet they had a good cackling laugh.

[WOTR]

Oates is lucky Art only sued him. Art has a lot of money. People have gone missing in the desert for doing far less...

I find it interesting that you seem to believe that you need money to make people go missing...

[WOTR]

I think all the people here who were pushing for an amnesty for Noory (don't make me name you) owe an apology to Art Bell.

I cannot apologize to Art nor the members here for having softened a little.  I know that I had even went so far as to post that I no longer believe him to be deserving of stroke, debilitating disease or death.  The fact of the matter is that my wishing wishing those things last year was strictly due to the reasoning that the world would be a better place if he were not able to do his "quack" shows and endanger people.  I still believe he has cut them down (or even out) so I am forced to remain neutral and neither wish him a long, healthy life nor a quick death.

I had also posted that he seemed to be making more of an effort.  From the little that I heard of him after posting here I am also forced to maintain that he did make a bit more of an effort both on pronunciation and engaging the guest.  I have not heard him recently and am unsure if he has reverted back to lazy mush mouth or if he is still making an effort.

Either way, there are only a few more days before the ship starts sinking off the coast of the Americas.

[jazmunda]

I was driving on the 40 through Arizona the other day and was surprised to see an exit 'Fort Rock Road.'

Was the sign written in CAPS?

[onan]

I cannot apologize to Art nor the members here for having softened a little.  I know that I had even went so far as to post that I no longer believe him to be deserving of stroke, debilitating disease or death.  The fact of the matter is that my wishing wishing those things last year was strictly due to the reasoning that the world would be a better place if he were not able to do his "quack" shows and endanger people.  I still believe he has cut them down (or even out) so I am forced to remain neutral and neither wish him a long, healthy life nor a quick death.

I had also posted that he seemed to be making more of an effort.  From the little that I heard of him after posting here I am also forced to maintain that he did make a bit more of an effort both on pronunciation and engaging the guest.  I have not heard him recently and am unsure if he has reverted back to lazy mush mouth or if he is still making an effort.

Either way, there are only a few more days before the ship starts sinking off the coast of the Americas.

Art's a big boy. I think he can handle his feelings pretty well. If this rag tag team of malcontents ruffles his feathers, he is in for a tough time.

[Renaldo]

I'd probably agree except Art's FB post states Noory "over the advice/objection of his Producers" chose to go on with the show so he can hardly claim ignorance. This particular issue was definitely researched and undoubtedly chatted about between he & Oates. Bet they had a good cackling laugh.

Yep, this.  And also, logicking it out, C2C has pretty much run through any kind of interesting guest a couple of times already, so if they hadn't been purposely obeying the ban on (G)Oates(y), then they probably would've had him on already. Like years ago. It's not like Art wasn't associated with C2C all this time, he still did shows up until when, 2010? I'm sure everyone there knew about the ban. I'm guessing they knew about it so well that Noory thought that would be the perfect guest.

Now, while I think Dave is a vindictive fool, I do wonder if he realized the magnitude of what he'd done. I still do think he may have seen it as a way to say, "Hey, Art's starting a new show, so I'm done pretending to kiss his ass and to prove to everyone C2C is my show, I'm having Oates on, because I have no problems with him."

[rangerdavid]

sent this email today:

Dear George,

I’m sorry, but I can no longer listen to C2C.  The increasingly right wing tone of the show and guests takes the entire show in a different direction.  I stopped listening regularly two weeks ago, and now I shall stop altogether after the “Oates” incident.  That was just despicable.  You wouldn’t have a job at C2C if it weren’t for Art Bell.  The indignation you have shown is outlandish.

Nevertheless, I’m one more former listener and a new Serius XM radio subscriber.  I’m sorry, but I don’t listen to Rush either, so for you producers who are cc’d on this email, you have lost another 17 year listener of C2C

sincerely,

David XXXXXXXXXXXXX

[SR-71]

sent this email today:

Dear George,

I’m sorry, but I can no longer listen to C2C.  The increasingly right wing tone of the show and guests takes the entire show in a different direction.  I stopped listening regularly two weeks ago, and now I shall stop altogether after the “Oates” incident.  That was just despicable.  You wouldn’t have a job at C2C if it weren’t for Art Bell.  The indignation you have shown is outlandish.

Nevertheless, I’m one more former listener and a new Serius XM radio subscriber.  I’m sorry, but I don’t listen to Rush either, so for you producers who are cc’d on this email, you have lost another 17 year listener of C2C

sincerely,

David XXXXXXXXXXXXX

Ranger David I hope that you have your shields on max because Captain Noory and crew love to send hate mail to people. I just hope alot of people send e-mails, snail mail and phone calls to c2cam management.

[SaucyRossy]

Lonevoice or anyone friends with Art on Facebook can you make him aware off Noorys tweet.

He is for sure doing this on purpose.

[aldousburbank]

Lonevoice or anyone friends with Art on Facebook can you make him aware off Noorys tweet.

He is for sure doing this on purpose.

What a twatty little assbite.

[nooryisawesome]

George has confirmed Oates will be back on. George stated art has forgiven oates so he has no problem putting him on.

[basswood]

George has confirmed Oates will be back on. George stated art has forgiven oates so he has no problem putting him on.

Where did Dave state that? (Something tells me Art didn't mean forgiving was forgetting).

[FightTheFuture]

I'm assuming you have seen this by now, but here are the court documents in case you haven't.

http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg14199.html

Do you know the terms of the settlement? Frankly, all we seem to get is  one side of the story, which  is obviously not very helpful

[nooryisawesome]

Where did Dave state that? (Something tells me Art didn't mean forgiving was forgetting).

George has made it known that both bell and oates are over their fued.

Yet Oatey's website still attacks art!
http://www.reversespeech.com/goodart5.htm

[Renaldo]

George has made it known that both bell and oates are over their fued.

When was that? Oates was on Thursday, and that was the last night Dave has been on. Art didn't say anything about it until Friday.

[nooryisawesome]

When was that? Oates was on Thursday, and that was the last night Dave has been on. Art didn't say anything about it until Friday.

He said the lawsuit was settled through mutual agreement. And art by his own words wasn't harboring anything.

[eddie dean]

I'm assuming you have seen this by now, but here are the court documents in case you haven't.

http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg14199.html

Can someone direct me to the exhibits (A through E) mentioned in the lawsuit.
The link provided in the text is to a nonexistent page on Arts web site.
Has anyone seen these exhibits?

[WOTR]

Lonevoice or anyone friends with Art on Facebook can you make him aware off Noorys tweet.

He is for sure doing this on purpose.

That is great news.  Perhaps George could invite Art on the same evening for a "hard hitting" journalistic interview that Dave is so famous for?  He can offer to help the two of them hash things out and bring us only the facts.

I find it amazing that even after all of the comments on Coasts homepage that Dave is forging ahead with this.  I hope he makes Oates a regular as his as a "_____ adviser."

[popple]

*rubs hands together* I can't wait for Art to scalp Jorch.

[Juan]

One week