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Quote from: SciFiAuthor on January 16, 2016, 04:34:33 PMOnly anomalies can win, and the only anomaly is Trump due to his media presence.
Quote from: MV on January 16, 2016, 06:55:30 PMThat's where you went off into the weeds. He's succeeding because he's saying the things regular Americans say to one another at the kitchen table, and he's doing it with fearlessness and strength. I've never seen two seconds of The Apprentice.
Quote from: SciFiAuthor on January 16, 2016, 07:10:13 PMI meant the news media. He gets ratings, so he gets lots of coverage.
Quote from: VtaGeezer on January 16, 2016, 10:49:44 PMCruz is whistling past the graveyard on his election eligibility, which is quite a different thing from citizenship. Its especially hypocritical since he and most right wingers are Constitution literalists. The Constitution is clear using the idiom of the 18th Century to define "natural born". It didn't mean no Presidents born by caesarian. One must do logic gymnastics to see it otherwise. It's moot anyway because Rafael will fade when he leaves fundie-rich "Evangeland".
Quote from: MV on January 16, 2016, 06:51:09 PMAgreed. I don't believe she'll even be the nominee. I've believed for months that she's going to be indicted. Others are now coming around on that.
Quote from: bateman on January 16, 2016, 11:58:43 PMThere are 150 FBI agents working on 2 separate Hillary "situations". 5 FBI agents on your ass is a little concerning, even if you're a Clinton. 50 is very worrisome. 150 is "we need to move to Paraguay and get plastic surgery" serious. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/12/hillary-whistles-past-the-fbi-graveyard-but-dems-are-starting-to-look-nervous/
Quote from: MV on January 16, 2016, 06:45:28 PMBecause he's a punchable televangelist who should be selling prayer cloths.
Quote from: MV on January 16, 2016, 10:34:45 PMSo then I think the question should be, "Why does Trump get ratings?" I don't think it's because of the popularity of his TV show.
Quote from: FightTheFuture on January 17, 2016, 12:23:23 AMI was speaking in terms of legality.
Quote from: SciFiAuthor on January 17, 2016, 12:57:48 AMWell, the high ratings probably are in part due to his celebrity status. You'll have people that would not normally tune into a presidential primary debate going there just to see what Trump will say. The resonance within the GOP voters, however, is not due to that. That's entirely due to his message. Everyone is sick of the establishment, there's no question of that, and Trump certainly says it like it is and resonates. He resonates with me because, well, a lobbyist can't really buy a guy already worth billions of dollars.What should scare the Democrats with Trump are the polls that look at crossovers. Trump is getting unusually high marks in potential cross over democrats, the black vote, the Hispanic vote, etc. That makes him a true wildcard that could win the general election simply because the equation is very different from any previous election. Look at how wrong the pundits have been with Trump since June, they haven't called anything right. They predicted implosion and god knows what, but none of that happened. That means they can't predict the general election either.
Quote from: Bounder on January 17, 2016, 03:16:39 AMObviously, no alum in history ever sued their alma mater for a non-performing diploma. Not ever.
Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on January 17, 2016, 12:58:02 PMI'm pretty sure most smart business people would never consider using their personal assets as collateral for business loans to the extent he has over the years.
Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on January 17, 2016, 02:28:16 AMTrump gets high ratings entirely because of his celebrity status, because the decision makers at the cable "news" networks and publications chose ratings over serious news coverage and investigative reporting. Trump's speeches get unprecedented live coverage, which results in a disproportionate amount of free airtime that is grossly unfair to every other candidate, regardless of party.
QuoteThe major media has also glossed over the fact that even though he's rich, he's not nearly the success he claims to be. He likes to dismiss his business bankruptcies as shrewd business moves, but in reality they cost him a great deal because he unwisely personally guaranteed some business loans. As a result, his equity positions in the companies was greatly reduced, his executive power was mostly neutered and reduced to figurehead status, and he was forced to sell the huge yacht he'd just bought from the Sultan of Bahrain to raise cash for his creditors. Maybe he can shrug it off now, but at the time it had to sting a lttle.
QuoteEven though I've thought he was a tasteless, narcissistic, blowhard dick since back in the early eighties when he was married to his first Eastern European trophy wife and erupted onto the pop culture scene as The Donald, master of The Deal, I don't completely disagree with him. However, I've also been hearing sensible ideas for making America great again from people on the next bar stool for many years, but just because they're occasionally right doesn't mean they're presidential timber.
Quote from: SciFiAuthor on January 17, 2016, 02:47:29 PMOne of the sad truths that we never talk about in the US is that the higher you go up the ladder, the more of a bullshit artist you have to be in order to pull it off. This is especially true of politics. If you become president, it's basically because you are bullshit artist-in-chief among the other contending bullshit artists. People have become acclimatized to "presidential timber" being some polished cardboard cut out that's good at dodging questions and making nice catchphrases.
Quote from: SciFiAuthor on January 17, 2016, 02:47:29 PMPeople have become acclimatized to "presidential timber" being some polished cardboard cut out that's good at dodging questions and making nice catchphrases. That went a long way towards allowing a string of people that had absolutely no business being president to get that office and use it to satisfy special interests. Those days need to be over. They needed to be over after Bill Clinton, but weren't. That state of affairs leaves only two choices in this field; Trump and Sanders, because they are the only two that are willing to buck the establishment. Everyone else up there is just a plain old bullshit artist hiding behind a cardboard cut out. A lie. That needs to be said.
Quote from: SciFiAuthor on January 17, 2016, 02:47:29 PMonly two choices in this field; Trump and Sanders
Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on January 17, 2016, 03:19:14 PMThat's actually a perfect description of Trump.
QuoteAnd I truly believe he's getting a pass from the media on the Trump University issue that other candidates wouldn't in the same situation. Maybe I'm wrong, but candidates have been nitpicked for much less in the past.
QuoteCall me old fashioned, because I am old, but I remember a time when it would have been considered unconscionable for a presidential candidate to deal with protesters by imperiously demanding their coats be confiscated and they be tossed out into sub-zero temperatures. Such an action would have been roundly condemned by editorial boards and politicians of all persuasions, and there would have been a clamor for him to drop out of the race. Not to stick up for her in any way, but imagine the outrage if Hillary had done that. Unfortunately, a lot of people can't tell entertainment from reality any more, and that frightens the hell out of me.
Quote from: SciFiAuthor on January 17, 2016, 04:08:54 PM
Quote from: VtaGeezer on January 17, 2016, 04:24:26 PMI suspect Trump is holding back much that he knows on the Clintons, and during the general election campaign would pull back the curtain on the real rottenness of the American political circus with the Arkansas grifters at stage center.
Quote from: SciFiAuthor on January 17, 2016, 05:43:36 PMYeah, I agree. The Republican Party, for whatever reason, has always left the kid gloves on regarding Hillary. Trump won't.
Quote from: WOTR on January 17, 2016, 08:38:04 PMThankfully. There certainly has not been enough anger nor attack ads in recent campaigns. It's time to really let the mud fly.