The Russia Thread

[Uncle Duke]

https://theaviationist.com/2016/11/14/russian-mig-29k-from-adm-kuznetsov-aircraft-carrier-has-crashed-in-mediterranean-sea/

Naval Aviation for Amateurs.

[Yorkshire pud]

https://theaviationist.com/2016/11/14/russian-mig-29k-from-adm-kuznetsov-aircraft-carrier-has-crashed-in-mediterranean-sea/

Naval Aviation for Amateurs.

Says one diverted away. I wonder if the aircraft had malfunctions?

[Jackstar]

THEON: You have until Friday to start posting updates from www.whatdoesitmean.com, or we will destroy you completely.

[whoozit]

Says one diverted away. I wonder if the aircraft had malfunctions?

Could be the nut behind the flight stick.

[Yorkshire pud]

Could be the nut behind the flight stick.

Altitude, airspeed and ideas...three is opitmal, two is okay, one,  think about the ejector handle.

[Uncle Duke]

Altitude, airspeed and ideas...three is opitmal, two is okay, one,  think about the ejector handle.

https://news.usni.org/2016/11/14/russian-carrier-mig-29k-fighter-crashes-mediterranean-shows-potential-gaps-capability

Updated information, looks like a mechanical malfunction soon after take-off and crash before he could get back on deck.  Particularly bad news for the Russian Navy they lost a two-seater, can't be too many of those navalized two place MiG-29s. 

[FightTheFuture]

https://news.usni.org/2016/11/14/russian-carrier-mig-29k-fighter-crashes-mediterranean-shows-potential-gaps-capability

Updated information, looks like a mechanical malfunction soon after take-off and crash before he could get back on deck.  Particularly bad news for the Russian Navy they lost a two-seater, can't be too many of those navalized two place MiG-29s.

Well, Duke, what can you really say about the Russian Navy? They`re pathetic? Nah...they`re BEYOND pathetic!! Their one AC platform has to travel with it`s own tug for when it breaks down...which it always does. They say the plumbing is so bad on the Admiral Kuznetsov that over half the toilets do not work and typically just overflow. Yes, turd chasing is a full-time job on the Russian ac carrier.

[Jackstar]

They say the plumbing is so bad on the Admiral Kuznetsov that over half the toilets do not work and typically just overflow.

What do they say about the USS Donald Cook?

[theONE]

Well, Duke, what can you really say about the Russian Navy? They`re pathetic? Nah...they`re BEYOND pathetic!! Their one AC platform has to travel with it`s own tug for when it breaks down...which it always does. They say the plumbing is so bad on the Admiral Kuznetsov that over half the toilets do not work and typically just overflow. Yes, turd chasing is a full-time job on the Russian ac carrier.

do you have any solid sources to this "breaking" story -or is just your imagination overflowing with...poop

[theONE]

"Russian carrier takes part in massive strikes on terrorists in Syria’s Idlib & Homs provinces" â€" MoD
https://www.rt.com/news/366995-anti-terrorist-operation-carrier/
Published time: 15 Nov, 2016 11:35

*The Russian military has launched a large-scale operation against terrorists stationed in Homs and Idlib provinces of Syria,
Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said on Tuesday.
"Today at 10:30 and 11:00 we launched a large-scale operation against the positions of Islamic State and Al-Nusra [terrorist groups]
in the provinces of Idlib and Homs," Shoigu said at a meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and the top leadership of the Russian Armed Forces.
The 'Admiral Kuznetsov' aircraft carrier, the flagship of the Russian Navy, is also taking part, Shoigu said.
This is the first time the 'Admiral Kuznetsov' has taken part in a military operation.
Sukhoi Su-33 fighter jets have been launched from the deck of the carrier, the defense minister said.*

"Russian carrier 'Admiral Kuznetsov' takes part in strikes on terrorists in Syria" â€" MoD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecTbYTCO9X8

...so looks like Fight The Future disinformation campaign was not able to stop Russian forces from
lunching attacks on terrorist...leaky toilets ain't going to stop brave Russian Army...remember that Fight The Future 

[theONE]

The American position.
The United States has often been accused of helping, or at least turning a blind eye to, certain extremists in order to pursue its other policies.
“This is what is really puzzling about the US position,” Daoud Khairallah, Professor of International Law at Georgetown University, told RT.
“On the one hand, it claims to be determined to fight terrorism. On the other, we see no signs of that,
and we see that the closest allies of the US are helping, facilitating, funding, making it possible for these terrorist groups
to continue expanding in Syria and beyond. So, the position of the US is really puzzling and it casts doubt
about the seriousness and integrity of the statement, ‘We are fighting terrorism.’”

But according to terrorism expert Max Abrahms, of Northeastern University, there is likely to be more cooperation
between Russia and the United States over Syria following Donald Trump’s election.

“More and more I think the US is moving in Syria in the direction of Donald Trump’s preferred policy, which is to go against regime change,
and that includes going against the rebels, ceasing to support them, ending the notion of a no-fly zone
and expanding the list of militants that the United States deems as terrorists,” Abrahms explained to RT.
“And so I think the US is going to be less critical of Russia, giving Putin a freer hand when it comes
to taking on Salafist groups like Al-Nusra and Ahrar al-Sham… already we’re seeing a movement away from Obama’s older policy of regime change.”

[Yorkshire pud]

"Russian carrier takes part in massive strikes on terrorists in Syria’s Idlib & Homs provinces" â€" MoD
https://www.rt.com/news/366995-anti-terrorist-operation-carrier/
Published time: 15 Nov, 2016 11:35

*The Russian military has launched a large-scale operation against terrorists stationed in Homs and Idlib provinces of Syria,
Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said on Tuesday.
"Today at 10:30 and 11:00 we launched a large-scale operation against the positions of Islamic State and Al-Nusra [terrorist groups]
in the provinces of Idlib and Homs," Shoigu said at a meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and the top leadership of the Russian Armed Forces.
The 'Admiral Kuznetsov' aircraft carrier, the flagship of the Russian Navy, is also taking part, Shoigu said.
This is the first time the 'Admiral Kuznetsov' has taken part in a military operation.
Sukhoi Su-33 fighter jets have been launched from the deck of the carrier, the defense minister said.*

"Russian carrier 'Admiral Kuznetsov' takes part in strikes on terrorists in Syria" â€" MoD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecTbYTCO9X8

...so looks like Fight The Future disinformation campaign was not able to stop Russian forces from
lunching attacks on terrorist...leaky toilets ain't going to stop brave Russian Army...remember that Fight The Future 

Come come now. Russian bombers, bomb anything not Assad. Including civilians. As for soldiers on ships? Hmmm. Ask a matelot...

[Jackstar]

Russian bombers, bomb anything not Assad. Including civilians.

That's really just your opinion.

[Yorkshire pud]

That's really just your opinion.

How do you explain these guys not being able to verify their location when JFK was shot? And yet literally no-one is investigating.

[Jackstar]

How do you explain

You're a cunt.

[Uncle Duke]

Well, Duke, what can you really say about the Russian Navy? They`re pathetic? Nah...they`re BEYOND pathetic!! Their one AC platform has to travel with it`s own tug for when it breaks down...which it always does. They say the plumbing is so bad on the Admiral Kuznetsov that over half the toilets do not work and typically just overflow. Yes, turd chasing is a full-time job on the Russian ac carrier.

Even if everything was 100% mechanically sound, Russian carrier aviation is a joke militarily against all but third world and rebel/insurgency forces.  No organic AWACS or aerial tanker capability, and no catapult system.   Lightly armed, short ranged aircraft piloted by inexperienced naval aviators flown off a ship that has spent the overwhelming majority of its commission in port. 

[Jackstar]

Russian carrier aviation is a joke

http://www.keshefoundation.org/


The Jetsons are a joke.

[theONE]

Even if everything was 100% mechanically sound, Russian carrier aviation is a joke militarily against all but third world and rebel/insurgency forces.  No organic AWACS or aerial tanker capability, and no catapult system.   Lightly armed, short ranged aircraft piloted by inexperienced naval aviators flown off a ship that has spent the overwhelming majority of its commission in port.

But looks so far Russians did way more to fight ISIS than USA did ... actually USA was /still is/ quietly supporting ISIS..and there are proofs of that,
just read this for starters:

The American position.
The United States has often been accused of helping, or at least turning a blind eye to, certain extremists in order to pursue its other policies.
“This is what is really puzzling about the US position,” Daoud Khairallah, Professor of International Law at Georgetown University, told RT.
“On the one hand, it claims to be determined to fight terrorism. On the other, we see no signs of that,
and we see that the closest allies of the US are helping, facilitating, funding, making it possible for these terrorist groups
to continue expanding in Syria and beyond. So, the position of the US is really puzzling and it casts doubt
about the seriousness and integrity of the statement, ‘We are fighting terrorism.’”

But according to terrorism expert Max Abrahms, of Northeastern University, there is likely to be more cooperation
between Russia and the United States over Syria following Donald Trump’s election.

“More and more I think the US is moving in Syria in the direction of Donald Trump’s preferred policy, which is to go against regime change,
and that includes going against the rebels, ceasing to support them, ending the notion of a no-fly zone
and expanding the list of militants that the United States deems as terrorists,” Abrahms explained to RT.
“And so I think the US is going to be less critical of Russia, giving Putin a freer hand when it comes
to taking on Salafist groups like Al-Nusra and Ahrar al-Sham… already we’re seeing a movement away from Obama’s older policy of regime change.”

[Uncle Duke]

But looks so far Russians did way more to fight ISIS than USA did ... actually USA was /still is/ quietly supporting ISIS..and there are proofs of that,
just read this for starters:

You are talking politics, I'm taking military capability. 

[norland2424]

Even if everything was 100% mechanically sound, Russian carrier aviation is a joke militarily against all but third world and rebel/insurgency forces.  No organic AWACS or aerial tanker capability, and no catapult system.   Lightly armed, short ranged aircraft piloted by inexperienced naval aviators flown off a ship that has spent the overwhelming majority of its commission in port.

wait are their aircraft just taking off under their own power?

[whoozit]

It's best not to encourage theONE.  He posts enough shit to be theBILLION.

[Jackstar]

I'm taking military capability. 

How's that nanotech and anti-grav coming along?

[whoozit]

wait are their aircraft just taking off under their own power?

Watch the video of them taking off.  Once off the ski jump you can see the plane just hanging there with down elevator to gain airspeed.  It looks pretty hairy.

[Uncle Duke]

wait are their aircraft just taking off under their own power?

Yes, although they do use a "ski jump" ramp similar to that used for SHARs by the Brits on their "Invincible Class" light carriers.

[theONE]

You are talking politics, I'm taking military capability.

no, I'm talking what Russians did for past few months fighting ISIS
-and USA did shit all...wonder why? ...why why ??

[theONE]

It's best not to encourage theONE.  He posts enough shit to be theBILLION.

you are such a poor pissy pussy ...hehehe

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[Jackstar]

Fixed-wing aircraft are obsolete. Get used to this idea.

(picture is unrelated)

[Uncle Duke]

no, I'm talking what Russians did for past few months fighting ISIS
-and USA did shit all...wonder why? ...why why ??

I'll let Jackstar Supernova explain politics to you.

[Jackstar]

Pardon first.

[Yorkshire pud]

Yes, although they do use a "ski jump" ramp similar to that used for SHARs by the Brits on their "Invincible Class" light carriers.

Difference being, the Harriers have a Pegasus engine (that has 'fuck off' stencilled on the compressor ring) with the accompanying vectored thrust.