20150907 – Daivd Paulides - Strange Disappearances - Live Chat Thread

[Tarbaby]

Great show.
The thing is,  one looks at all the facts and then uses inductive or deductive logic to work toward a solution. So, David doesn't have to do this in public but I hope he is doing it in private.

[FightTheFuture]

Cool.  You read it yet?  Can you give us a name of the author and a title?

Making a statement to the press during the search for Dennis Martin,6, are, from left, Chief Ranger Lee Sneddon, State Attorney Gen. Hugh Mott and Lt. Col. Howard Kinney, commander of a Special Forces detachment, on June 23, 1969 in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park.

[Jocko Johnson]

Too bad Paulides is one of those people who've picked up the annoying habit of 21st C. interviewees of starting a statement with "So...."

I thought I was the only one who noticed that!! Drives me crazy!  "So"...where did it come from!??

[SredniVashtar]

I thought I was the only one who noticed that!! Drives me crazy!  "So"...where did it come from!??

Me, too. And the pause before he says anything, which gave the interview a slightly awkward feel. He also likes to recount stories where people always call him 'Dave'. I don't know why that should bother me as much as it does.

[Inglorious Bitch]

The one question I felt he avoided that got to me was, well we know how many visit National Parks and how many disappear how does that compare to the North America average. Has anybody else asked these things?

Art

The thing with a national average is that whatever phenomenon is responsible for the disappearances in the woods may also be responsible for some disappearances in cities. Knapp had asked him about that at one point in an earlier show. Then last week when Paulides was on with Knapp, he spoke about some disappearances in the cities having a similar MO to the disappearances in the woods.

[NoMoreNoory]

Me, too. And the pause before he says anything, which gave the interview a slightly awkward feel. He also likes to recount stories where people always call him 'Dave'. I don't know why that should bother me as much as it does.

I suspected that was a Skype pause, which happens sometimes for no apparent reason. I noticed it early on and haven't been aware of it in his previous Coast interviews.

[SredniVashtar]

I suspected that was a Skype pause, which happens sometimes for no apparent reason. I noticed it early on and haven't been aware of it in his previous Coast interviews.

He was on a land line.

[NoMoreNoory]

The thing with a national average is that whatever phenomenon is responsible for the disappearances in the woods may also be responsible for some disappearances in cities. Knapp had asked him about that at one point in an earlier show. Then last week when Paulides was on with Knapp, he spoke about some disappearances in the cities having a similar MO to the disappearances in the woods.

Agreed. The guy who disappeared near the Bruins stadium with his gf a couple of blocks away, talking to him on the phone. Pfft. Gone. They fish his phone out of the river, not him. Then something like 50 days later, there he is. The water connection: the odd clothing things (pants gone, boxers on, stocking feet), huge blood alcohol levels in college kids who didn't drink. And on. Even the cops observed in a couple of cases how they couldn't understand that their socks were clean. The great Cyril Wecht was called in on a couple of cases and confirmed that they were dead when they went in the water and had not been in the water long, yet missing for weeks. That's not Bigfoot or aliens. And as Paulides pointed out to Knapp, human agencies can't be that perfect that often.
I just love the sheer impenetrable mystery of all this and find the urge to pin him down to a single explanation rather prosaic. He's chronicling this stuff, he doesn't have to explain it.

[NoMoreNoory]

He was on a land line.

Ah. OK.

[FightTheFuture]

What's the big deal about national averages? Who cares? Makes no difference at all with regard to the strangeness of each individual case that is covered.

[ItsOver]

...I just love the sheer impenetrable mystery of all this and find the urge to pin him down to a single explanation rather prosaic. He's chronicling this stuff, he doesn't have to explain it.

Which no doubt is a great angle for selling books to as wide an audience as possible and not be pigeonholed to a specific niche paranormal audience.

[FightTheFuture]

Which no doubt is a great angle for selling books to as wide an audience as possible and not be pigeonholed to a specific niche paranormal audience.

Exactly. And, there is nothing wrong with that. Also, he mentioned his credibility when he talks to witnesses and family members of the missing.

[SredniVashtar]

Which no doubt is a great angle for selling books to as wide an audience as possible and not be pigeonholed to a specific niche paranormal audience.

Cynic:

noun

a person who believes that people are motivated purely by self-interest rather than acting for honourable or unselfish reasons.
"some cynics thought that the controversy was all a publicity stunt"


Kindly close the door on your way out, sir! 

[Uncle Duke]

Making a statement to the press during the search for Dennis Martin,6, are, from left, Chief Ranger Lee Sneddon, State Attorney Gen. Hugh Mott and Lt. Col. Howard Kinney, commander of a Special Forces detachment, on June 23, 1969 in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park.

Lt Col Kinney must not have gotten the memo, Special Forces do not go out looking for anyone lost or missing.  Paulides knows this for sure, some guy told him.

[munbeam666]

Tarzan ?

Yep. All of the Tarzan films of the 1930s were filmed there

[FightTheFuture]

Lt Col Kinney must not have gotten the memo, Special Forces do not go out looking for anyone lost or missing.  Paulides knows this for sure, some guy told him.

The good Colonel looks like he was just told he is scheduled for a root canal and colonoscopy on the same day.

[munbeam666]

The one question I felt he avoided that got to me was, well we know how many visit National Parks and how many disappear how does that compare to the North America average. Has anybody else asked these things?

Art

People don't realize how EXTREMELY easy it is to get lost in the wilderness, and its not just in the national or state parks

[HorrorRetro]

People don't realize how EXTREMELY easy it is to get lost in the wilderness, and its not just in the national or state parks

That's true. I spend most of my free time in Mt. Rainier National Park, sometimes Mt. St. Helens, as well as other wilderness areas around my town.  Lately, I've been visiting ghost towns that you have to hike into, and I've been doing it alone or just with my dog. Despite spending a lot of time at Mt. Rainier and having a great sense of direction, last year, I somehow missed my trail back out of the woods. I backtracked at least 5 or 6 times before I found it again. I was like it had just closed up and disappeared and then finally reappeared. It was bizarre. I can't chalk it up to the paranormal. I guess I somehow just missed it. That had never happened to be me before, and it was quite scary. Had I panicked and just kept going deeper into the woods, who knows how long I might have been out there.  Paulides' stories used to really freak me out. Since I've heard his various interviews at least 5 or 6 times now, the stories are starting to wear thin. It's not going to stop me from getting out there and exploring. There are just too many interesting things out there still to be found.

Here are some of the photos from recent ghost town trips and a trip to an abandoned missile launch facility.  The galleries are on the top, under the title.

https://gina-gothejackson.squarespace.com/lester/

[Uncle Duke]

The good Colonel looks like he was just told he is scheduled for a root canal and colonoscopy on the same day.

*laughs*  Yes he does, doesn't he. 

I don't know what your experience was with SF guys, but the few I had dealings were decidedly low profile, Secret Squirrel types who I imagine we're also camera shy.  Maybe Lt Col Kinney was unhappy/uncomfortable being photographed and identified during a war that he almost certainly was going to be involved in eventually (again?).

[Mebee]

Listening now. Paulides speaks with that low rattling "vocal fry" tone in his voice quite a lot. I always find that grating on the ear.  Interesting show, though.

[ZomZom]

After finishing the rest of the show I'll say it picked up slightly, but I'm left wanting more mystery.  Wild animals and evil humans can explain most, probably all, of these cases.  I would be curious to know how common it is for sniffer dogs to lose a scent.

As for the FOIA fee, agencies are rightly able to claim an undue burden for requests that require excessive manpower to fulfill.  Statistics for crime on National Parks, however, should be tracked by the agency having jurisdiction and made available to the public without a fee.  I wonder if Paulides has mad a FOIA request to the FBI?

[Insomniac Missourian]

FAERIE.  Sounds like old folk tales of Faerie legends.

Ever since I first heard Paulides on C2C, this has been my favorite theory.

[scottydawg]

Well looking at my Huffington Post for Monday came across this Tidbit from the BBC
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150906-the-best-and-worst-ways-to-spot-a-liar?ncid=newsltushpmg00000003

I think Art sometimes does this with his guest to get to the meat of the story and dispense with the "Song & Dance, Fluff & Stuff"
that a lot of guests seem to do. In a way Art is like the Sgt. Joe Friday of talk radio. "just the Facts Ma'am"

[albrecht]

That's true. I spend most of my free time in Mt. Rainier National Park, sometimes Mt. St. Helens, as well as other wilderness areas around my town.  Lately, I've been visiting ghost towns that you have to hike into, and I've been doing it alone or just with my dog. Despite spending a lot of time at Mt. Rainier and having a great sense of direction, last year, I somehow missed my trail back out of the woods. I backtracked at least 5 or 6 times before I found it again. I was like it had just closed up and disappeared and then finally reappeared. It was bizarre. I can't chalk it up to the paranormal. I guess I somehow just missed it. That had never happened to be me before, and it was quite scary. Had I panicked and just kept going deeper into the woods, who knows how long I might have been out there.  Paulides' stories used to really freak me out. Since I've heard his various interviews at least 5 or 6 times now, the stories are starting to wear thin. It's not going to stop me from getting out there and exploring. There are just too many interesting things out there still to be found.

Here are some of the photos from recent ghost town trips and a trip to an abandoned missile launch facility.  The galleries are on the top, under the title.

https://gina-gothejackson.squarespace.com/lester/

Neat photos! For some reason I like abandoned places and you capture them so well in your photos, in addition to the beautiful nature photos.

I'm guessing these days it is even EASIER to get lost, especially in large parks and national forests because many people don't grow up in nature or learning orienteering and so on, aren't trained/equipped, rely too much on things like smartphones (and so if lose signal or drop are screwed,) over-estimate their ability and under-estimate the danger and weather, and modern vehicles allow easier access to remote areas from which to get lost.

[ItsOver]

Cynic:

noun

a person who believes that people are motivated purely by self-interest rather than acting for honourable or unselfish reasons.
"some cynics thought that the controversy was all a publicity stunt"


Kindly close the door on your way out, sir! 

Ha!

[chefist]

That's true. I spend most of my free time in Mt. Rainier National Park, sometimes Mt. St. Helens, as well as other wilderness areas around my town.  Lately, I've been visiting ghost towns that you have to hike into, and I've been doing it alone or just with my dog. Despite spending a lot of time at Mt. Rainier and having a great sense of direction, last year, I somehow missed my trail back out of the woods. I backtracked at least 5 or 6 times before I found it again. I was like it had just closed up and disappeared and then finally reappeared. It was bizarre. I can't chalk it up to the paranormal. I guess I somehow just missed it. That had never happened to be me before, and it was quite scary. Had I panicked and just kept going deeper into the woods, who knows how long I might have been out there.  Paulides' stories used to really freak me out. Since I've heard his various interviews at least 5 or 6 times now, the stories are starting to wear thin. It's not going to stop me from getting out there and exploring. There are just too many interesting things out there still to be found.

Most likely scenario is getting lost, death by hypothermia, predation...then it would seem that you simply disappeared...

[jneilschulman]

I guess the Alongside Night guy had a change of heart about the ads.

Let's keep this on topic. As of tonight's MITD Alongside Night ads have mysteriously disappeared!

[BattyBrooke]

The first caller was one dumb dame. Sure, doll, all of these people are being murdered by their spouses or friends.

Has she even been listening? Even a little?

[BattyBrooke]

Most likely scenario is getting lost, death by hypothermia, predation...then it would seem that you simply disappeared...

Yeah, especially when you're like 3 years old and your preserved body is found a few days latee two mountain ranges miles and miles away never leaving any tracks or scents. That's totally what's likely going on.

[chefist]

Yeah, especially when you're like 3 years old and your preserved body is found a few days latee two mountain ranges miles and miles away never leaving any tracks or scents. That's totally what's likely going on.

Sounds like kidnapping and murder...the body was preserved by the cold...