Archiving midnight in the desert

[AZZERAE]

Guess what, Dark Matter news is now on the podcasts, Art listened to the feedback and now its there. All you have to do was wait and give him a chance but no three days was just too long for you.

The intro is still cut tho

[AZZERAE]

the copyright laws are what laws are in place from where the source material is based...

yes or no

[Ghostbuster]

yes or no

right.. if there's a International copyright then not... but if it's USA only then not...

[AZZERAE]

right.. if there's a internasal copyright then not... but if it's USA only then not...

That's something to think about.

Appreciated.

[henge0stone]

The intro is still cut tho

Oh come on first its the news now its the music? The music issue has been discussed a hundred times and was even discussed in the forums before the show started. If your going to record them for free why do you care anyway?

[AZZERAE]

...The music issue has been discussed a hundred times

I'm familiar with that conversation (the copyright costs et al), and that's fine. But, the Giorgio Moroder track could be separated from Art's audio (him talking), so that us Time Travelers don't just hear him come in mid sentence.

If your going to record them for free why do you care anyway?

I care because as a Time Traveler one should have access to a decently edited, complete podcast. Not a disjointed one.

And by the way, what's with the blasphemy? I've always been respectful towards you... I don't see why you have to use the Lords name in vain over a calm, rational discussion on a forum about a radio show talk host. Comme de Fuckdown.

[AZZERAE]

I have a right to my own principle. 

[henge0stone]

I edited it sorry about that. I'm more frustrated with the people (or person) who cancelled their subscription over the news that is now on the podcast. For someone who is as huge a fan of art as me (and many on this forum) these issues seem extremely petty. People who cancel after three days aren't giving the show nearly enough time. The music is a downer but its small beans compared to having the best talk show host in the world back.

[henge0stone]

Comme de Fuckdown.

I am very passionate about the Art Bell 

[AZZERAE]

I edited it sorry about that. I'm more frustrated with the people (or person) who cancelled their subscription over the news that is now on the podcast. For someone who is as huge a fan of art as me (and many on this forum) these issues seem extremely petty. People who cancel after three days aren't giving the show nearly enough time. The music is a downer but its small beans compared to having the best talk show host in the world back.

They may be petty, Hengestone, but anyone can cancel their subscription and express why if they choose to.

Some of the points raised here are valid enough to merit dissection and consideration. Some a little over the top.

I don't expect Keith or Art to do everything we suggest but I'm interested in other perspectives on the matter.

$5 is $5, its not free, so when it comes to money folks tend to think a bit differently than they would if it were free. That's just how people are.

If the musics a downer to you, you should express that openly in my opinion, because you are a Time Traveler and that means you are contributing to the accessibility of the archive. You shouldn't have to do without the music because you are too weary of stepping on Keith or Arts toes. You deserve that music. We're the fans, without us there'd be crickets and no audience.

Perhaps 3 days is a limited time to pass judgement (in one sense), but the archive is underwhelming in a couple areas. Lets be honest with ourselves there.

[henge0stone]

They may be petty, Hengestone, but anyone can cancel their subscription and express why if they choose to.

Some of the points raised here are valid enough to merit dissection and consideration. Some a little over the top.

I don't expect Keith or Art to do everything we suggest but I'm interested in other perspectives on the matter.

$5 is $5, its not free, so when it comes to money folks tend to think a bit differently than they would if it were free. That's just how people are.

If the musics a downer to you, you should express that openly in my opinion, because you are a Time Traveler and that means you are contributing to the accessibility of the archive. You shouldn't have to do without the music because you are too weary of stepping on Keith or Arts toes. You deserve that music. We're the fans, without us there'd be crickets and no audience.

Perhaps 3 days is a limited time to pass judgement (in one sense), but the archive is underwhelming in a couple areas. Lets be honest with ourselves there.

I have already stated that people can do whatever they want with their money, but as you point out, this is a discussion forum and if you express that on here your going to get my opinion about it. I have also already said the music was a bit of a downer but I understand the reasons and think its too petty to complain about since I understand why they do it.
Again I do not think they are underwhelming. I have had no problems with the quality and they now give us dark matter news too which I was perfectly fine with not getting but its a nice bonus. People need to give the show more time.

You said before you had a issue with some clicking in the audio? I haven't really heard this or it starting mid sentence but I didn't listen to the whole Graham Hancock or second show yet. The Linda show sounded good.

Some people are just sensitive to clicks and pops so you might be hearing things I'm not bothered by and don't notice.

I think I asked this before but where did you get your profile pic?

[AZZERAE]

People need to give the show more time.

Agreed.

... you had a issue with some clicking in the audio? I haven't really heard this or it starting mid sentence but I didn't listen to the whole Graham Hancock ...

Yes. In the Open Lines/Test Show (which is understandable), and the Graham Hancock show was rife with sloppy editing. From the Charles Faddis show forward, the audio has improved drastically.

... where did you get your profile pic?

It is the cover of Jacques Vallee's book Passport to Magonia (the second printing).

[Ghostbuster]

I think i know what they are doing wrong..
They are recording the podcast from the wrong source.
there taking the stream and editing out the music, They need to record from the mixing board.
the output of art's mic and the guests audio.
Not the full output.   

[AZZERAE]

They are recording the podcast from the wrong source.

They need to record from the mixing board.

This is exactly what I've been trying to say. Thank you!

[Ghostbuster]

This is exactly what I've been trying to say. Thank you!

Yeah.. and if they did that art could drop some "Behind the scenes" kind of stuff.
Like on late night when conan and the guest talk in the brake.
The point of a podcast is to get MORE then the live show.
But the podcast has less..
All you get is to download it.
But all you need is a program that records a stream on a timer to bypass that.
Art needs to add stuff to the download you can only get on the download.
Like a 30 min podcast only post show.

[henge0stone]

Have you read Passport to Magonia? Anything linking folklore and Ufology sounds interesting

[williedee]

I've got a quick update:

First, my AAC recordings have been failing nearly every night. The process that I use to record the stream crashes whenever the stream drops. So I'm going to try to get a fix for that. The mp3 recordings are fine, each one is 78mb. I guess less people are hitting the mp3 stream (good!)

Second: I am not and will not sharing these recordings. I assume most people on here will not be either if they record the stream for archival purposes. I think you're all seeing that I wasn't crazy when I thought it'd be a good idea to get the raw stream, not just rely on podcasts. 

[dan7800]

I've got a quick update:

First, my AAC recordings have been failing nearly every night. The process that I use to record the stream crashes whenever the stream drops. So I'm going to try to get a fix for that. The mp3 recordings are fine, each one is 78mb. I guess less people are hitting the mp3 stream (good!)

Second: I am not and will not sharing these recordings. I assume most people on here will not be either if they record the stream for archival purposes. I think you're all seeing that I wasn't crazy when I thought it'd be a good idea to get the raw stream, not just rely on podcasts.

Personally, I don't see a problem with recording the stream yourself (as long as you are paying Art $5/month and not sharing), but I also think it is one of those things we are better off not talking about.

[AZZERAE]

Have you read Passport to Magonia?

Yes, and I suggest you pick it up. Its a fascinating study of encounters of all kinds dating back to early man. And quite an eye opener!

[AZZERAE]

... recordings have been failing nearly every night.

Ditto.

... the stream crashes whenever the stream drops.

Ditto.

... you're all seeing that I wasn't crazy when I thought it'd be a good idea to get the raw stream, not just rely on podcasts.

This has been my view all along.

[AZZERAE]

... it is one of those things we are better off not talking about.

I disagree. This is the only appropriate venue to discuss it.

Keith should upload better versions of the podcasts to make things right. The current files are unacceptable with bits and pieces of the music in and Art coming in mid sentence in the intro and from breaks.

[henge0stone]

I disagree. This is the only appropriate venue to discuss it.

Keith should upload better versions of the podcasts to make things right. The current files are unacceptable with bits and pieces of the music in and Art coming in mid sentence in the intro and from breaks.

I wouldn't say they are unacceptable. I did notice some cut offs in the last show. I think they're paranoid about the copyright issues but Mysterious universe MP3's (which also has music cut short for copyright issues) has much more music on it and smoother transitions. Overall I don't think its a big deal but if people are gonna bitch about something mine as well be this.  The second show also had the full midnight in the desert outro, not sure why the others can't have it too.

[Paradox]

Hey guys,


As you know I really like collecting Art Bell shows. I'll be archiving both the mp3 and aac stream each night, and I'd like to make sure a few others will be too. I know there will be a podcast, but I'd like to capture the show as it airs.  Anybody else going to join me?

I apologize if some of this is repetitive.  I did not take the time to read the whole thread. I was just happy to find someone else building a library.

Yep.  I am a Time Traveler and I'm doing the same.  I had almost all of the old shows on disc (make that a box of discs) and lost them.  I'm not letting that happen this time.
My understanding is that if it goes out over the airwaves you have the right to record it for your personal library and personal use.  However, you do NOT have the right to stick the files in the cloud and give people access or post them to torrent sites, etc. 
I'm taking no chances this time of losing my library.  Besides when you record the live stream you get the music too.  Yep the ads are there as well, but there is a thing called editing.

[Paradox]

Keith should upload better versions of the podcasts to make things right. The current files are unacceptable with bits and pieces of the music in and Art coming in mid sentence in the intro and from breaks.

I am happy with letting things evolve.  The archive files and dl setup aren't up to par yet, but Keith is pretty busy getting the shows setup and stable.  Remember he is also doing Richard's show.  Given what I know of Keith from the past I know he will get the archives right.  I am willing to cut him some slack in the meantime.  Who knows, before all is said and done you may eventually have them in stereo and on an RSS feed for auto download.

[area51drone]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say my opinion is that while Art would probably prefer people did not pirate his stuff, he is not going to go after anyone for doing so.   You have to remember that Art ran his own pirate radio station back in the day.   The man understands the mentality.   It sucks that the music isn't included in the paid podcast.   It would not be right for those to be the ones that ultimately end up in some torrent 20 years from now when Art is dead and long gone (Art, I hope you live longer but you know what I mean).     Art knows we love the music - he loves the music himself, and I'm sure if $$ wasn't an issue then he'd include them in the paid version.   So, the work is on all of us now to at least archive them as Randy/Williedee is doing, so that one day they can be out there.   

[AZZERAE]

I wouldn't say they are unacceptable. I did notice some cut offs in the last show. I think they're paranoid about the copyright issues but Mysterious universe MP3's (which also has music cut short for copyright issues) has much more music on it and smoother transitions. Overall I don't think its a big deal but if people are gonna bitch about something mine as well be this.  The second show also had the full midnight in the desert outro, not sure why the others can't have it too.

I love you, Hengestone.

[henge0stone]

Well thanks for the love. 

None of the issues I have with the archive are a big deal. Art also added the paranormal news so they are listening to our feedback, no matter how petty I think the complaints might be. As long as we are all subscribers paying and supporting the show we can be petty on a forum because that's what forums are all about. And I guess things that I think are petty are not so petty to others.
I just hate the people who rage quit over the archives without even giving it a chance. I don't think they can complain since they left ship so soon. Even if nothing happens I will be fine with the archives.

[AZZERAE]

As long as we are all subscribers paying and supporting the show we can be petty on a forum because that's what forums are all about.

Even if nothing happens I will be fine with the archives.

My sentiments exactly.

My $5 subscription will remain regardless, in order to support the show.

[Asadora]

Guess what, Dark Matter news is now on the podcasts, Art listened to the feedback and now its there. All you have to do was wait and give him a chance but no three days was just too long for you.

I am sorry that this whole instance has upset you so much that you have to be a total jackanape about it. The personal attacks are not needed but I suppose you just can't help yourself. And that is unfortunate.

Thank you for the information. I am sure that many others will be utterly delighted at this wonderful -news-. XD

And for your information, I didn't wait three days before I cancelled. I signed up and cancelled within the space of 24 hours and I didn't even ask for a refund yet, I still got a refund, which exceeded my customer expectations:)

We all have very busy lives and it seems that you too, are very busy in spreading your worldly and informed knowledge across the span of the Internet. So, in saying that, let me give you a insightful tip to further you along your Internet journey:

Karma will always find you and give you back what you've given to others.

You have a glorious day, sunshine!

Kind Regards

[Asadora]

Well thanks for the love. 

None of the issues I have with the archive are a big deal. Art also added the paranormal news so they are listening to our feedback, no matter how petty I think the complaints might be. As long as we are all subscribers paying and supporting the show we can be petty on a forum because that's what forums are all about. And I guess things that I think are petty are not so petty to others.
I just hate the people who rage quit over the archives without even giving it a chance. I don't think they can complain since they left ship so soon. Even if nothing happens I will be fine with the archives.

What is more 'petty'?

1. Someone exercising their right to express themselves based on their own principle.

or

2. Someone from the Internet on a forum complaining about what someone else chooses to do with their own $5 based on their principles.

dun-dun-dun!