The Other Side of Midnight - Richard C. Hoagland - Live Chat Thread

[Juan Cena]

Jay sounds like a crazy drunk at the bar arguing his crazy theory, and Hoagland is sounding like a more rational crazy guy.

It's like a two hour version of the joke from Alan Moore's "The Killing Joke."

[Dixon Bawls]

That's just beautiful.

[SaucyRossy]

ok how about now? hint, it's green

[Lochness_Hamster]

Tell RCH, it was a good show

[SaucyRossy]

Tell RCH, it was a good show

will do but feel free to email him

rch@othersideofmidnight.com

[ShayP]

ok how about now? hint, it's green


Also, PSA for tomorrow....

EM DRIVE!
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-07/24/emdrive-space-drive-pluto-mission

The edge of the moon?...sooo this may have been superimposed?

[Dixon Bawls]

Braaps to all, and to all a good night!

[alienated]

ok how about now? hint, it's green

Oh I see it now.

[Barfly]

ok how about now? hint, it's green

Looks like green screen bleedover

[ShayP]

Braaps to all, and to all a good night!

Braaps!

[Juan Cena]

Yes the earth planet is blue 

And there's nothing I can doooooo....

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

The image is a composite of three images, taken in green, red, and blue.  That's pretty standard for spacecraft imaging.  Not sure why Hoagland doesn't understand that.  The green ghost of the limb of the moon shows up in front of a particularly white patch of cloud.

[alienated]

Chromatic aberration?

[popple]

Any one notice something about this ?

FIXED

[Northern Nights]

FIXED

hehe

[ShayP]

FIXED

It's like your James Brown and I keep trying to go on stage to drape your coat around you but you shrug me off and keep performing. 

Brilliant....just brilliant effort today.  Cheers to you popple.

[zeebo]

The edge of the moon?...sooo this may have been superimposed?

Didn't Hoagie discuss this the other nite as the 'smoking gun'?  But astroguy et. al. say it just has to do with the red/green/blue color filters taken split seconds apart, which are added together to make the composite image. 

Ok, now I sleep, braaaps all, especially Popple who gets a special commendation for tonite.

[ShayP]

Didn't Hoagie discuss this the other nite as the 'smoking gun'?  But astroguy et. al. say it just has to do with the red/green/blue color filters taken split seconds apart, which are added together to make the composite image. 

Ok, now I sleep, braaaps all, especially Popple who gets a special commendation for tonite.

Yes to everything! ...and braaps! 

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

Didn't Hoagie discuss this the other nite as the 'smoking gun'?  But astroguy et. al. say it just has to do with the red/green/blue color filters taken split seconds apart, which are added together to make the composite image. 

Ok, now I sleep, braaaps all, especially Popple who gets a special commendation for tonite.

Yes, Popple brought a special joy to tonight's performance.

[ShayP]

Woo Hoo!!!!!  Got a response from RCH regarding the extra hour.  "We're working on it  " 

[norland2424]

Woo Hoo!!!!!  Got a response from RCH regarding the extra hour.  "We're working on it  "

lol same here

[Anthony Barnett]

will do but feel free to email him

rch@othersideofmidnight.com

Richard is very quick at responding to emails & show suggestions he loves providing they are sensible and pertinent.
Remember No silly business, we had enough of that with one guest this morning, there are enough closed minds in this world without giving them precious airtime.

[paladin1991]

Hey Norland!  Where did you get that avatar fm? 

[norland2424]

Hey Norland!  Where did you get that avatar fm?

From a fb Marine group that i follow.

[astroguy]

Totally, I wasted a good deal of my youth worshiping Kubrick. You can insult my country or you can insult my momma, but don't invent Kubrick history around me lol. I was honestly barely paying attention until the guest just started making things up about Kubrick's history. What's dumb is he's picking so easily discredited things to make up.

Kubrick was one of the most in-demend directors in Hollywood working his way up from a few independent films, to B-Films, to directing Kirk Douglas in the huge epic Paths of Glory in his mid-20s to again getting hired to direct what was essentially a Summer Blockbuster in Spartacus nearly ten years before 2001. This isn't even mentioning Lolita which was one of the most controversial and biggest blockbusters of it's time or Dr. Strangelove which was another huge movie. This guy is so off base it makes me want to punch myself in the face for having heard what he said.

I feel like Astroguy now...

There is nothing wrong with that!

[astroguy]

Didn't Hoagie discuss this the other nite as the 'smoking gun'?  But astroguy et. al. say it just has to do with the red/green/blue color filters taken split seconds apart, which are added together to make the composite image.

Yup.  SaucyRossy, think of what would happen if you take an image in a green filter.  Then a second or so later, a blue filter.  And a second or so, a red filter.  You are centered such that Earth doesn't move between them, but the moon does.

Therefore, small parts of Earth that were covered by the moon during the green filter image will be revealed when you take the blue image.  And slightly more when you take the red image.  So what that'll look like when you stack them to make your three-color composite is the Earth will look fine, but you'll get the green image of the moon slightly displaced from the blue slightly displaced from the red.

So where you JUST have green moon, you'll have blue and red Earth.  And that is EXACTLY what you see.

In addition to that, in the blow-up that Richard posted on his OSOM website, if you look within the disk of the moon, the colors are all offset from each other (look at hte bright craters, for example).  All features are displaced EXACTLY as you would expect if my scenario is correct.  As opposed to Richard thinking it's glass domes above the lunar horizon.

Not only that, but keep in mind the pixel scale is 10s km.  Since that image was 2048x2048, each pixel is 8 miles.  The green on one side is many pixels, meaning that his "domes" would have to be 10s of miles high, which is higher than he's ever claimed, would strain credulity, AND has never been seen with stellar occultations (stars passing behind the moon) ... or by anyone except Richard on old, scratched, scanned Apollo images or tiny uncalibrated Chinese images that are more easily explained by sensor noise.

Given that, what do you think is more likely:  The EPIC images were taken exactly as NASA reports, or that there are 100-mile-high glass domes smoothly covering one limb of the moon evidenced by this image?

[astroguy]

And in fairness, I totally appreciate that Richard rips into Apollo moon hoax proponents.  Evidence I really don't "hate" Richard or disbelieve him as a knee-jerk reaction ... every claim has to be taken individually.  Now if only he'd turn that same skepticism he has for moon hoax proponents to his own claims ... 

[chefist]

Given that, what do you think is more likely:  The EPIC images were taken exactly as NASA reports, or that there are 100-mile-high glass domes smoothly covering one limb of the moon evidenced by this image?

I would think you could see these domes with a high powered terrestrial telescope at an observatory...if these are as big as RCH claims, can't someone just set up some time at an observatory and check?

[SaucyRossy]

Yup.  SaucyRossy, think of what would happen if you take an image in a green filter.  Then a second or so later, a blue filter.  And a second or so, a red filter.  You are centered such that Earth doesn't move between them, but the moon does.

Astro, I completely understand it.....however, it was left in. when almost the entirety of the rest of it was cleaned up and polished.

And by that, I mean, the exposure levels for the entirety of it all is perfect.

[SaucyRossy]

Given that, what do you think is more likely:  The EPIC images were taken exactly as NASA reports, or that there are 100-mile-high glass domes smoothly covering one limb of the moon evidenced by this image?

Are you addressing this to ME?