Indiana

[yumyumtree]

So how about this deal in Indiana?  Obviously they were trying to avoid cases such as Arlene's Flowers in the tri-cities here in WA, but it went horribly wrong.  The Seattle mayor(first openly gay Seattle mayor, I think) wasted no time in saying that the city of Seattle will be doing NO MORE business with Indiana if they ever have been! This man obviously has his priorities straight(I mean, well, you know)  Have you been to Seattle lately?

[qaddisin]

It's Indiana, not Insteve.

[onan]

Indiana is a shit hole on its best day. Always has been.

[Eddie Coyle]

    I hope these Indiana boycotts don't have a negative impact on R Dean Taylor.

[onan]

    I hope these Indiana boycotts don't have a negative impact on R Dean Taylor.

AAAAAAAnnnnddd another song stuck in my head.

[Eddie Coyle]

AAAAAAAnnnnddd another song stuck in my head.

   Whoops!

   But it was a happening song, man! It had to be cool. It was on the Rare Earth label.

[VtaGeezer]

Thank you, Gov. Mike Pence and the Indiana Legislature.  Arizona is grateful to no longer hold "Most Backward State" status.

[Gd5150]

"Hands up don't shoot!" - oh wait its just another fake leftwing media story that consists of no story at all. They could've at least had some hidden cell phone video or something.

[NowhereInTime]

"Hands up don't shoot!" - oh wait its just another fake leftwing media story that consists of no story at all. They could've at least had some hidden cell phone video or something.

"Fake"?  This from the guy who claimed Reagan bombed Libya in 1986 to avenge the Lockerbie bombing of 1988?  And has yet to acknowledge his fuck up?!?

[albrecht]

"Hands up don't shoot!" - oh wait its just another fake leftwing media story that consists of no story at all. They could've at least had some hidden cell phone video or something.

I'm sure a few of these provocateured actions are real but most aren't. A group of dedicated activists force this issues. To paraphrase Groucho why do so many people want to visit, eat, or join groups or places that don't like them? What is wrong with being discriminating in your tastes or choices? Can I join Tri-Delt and use their showers and live at their house? Why are they allowed to discriminate against men? It is bizarre. Actual crimes get hardly any national attention (like when "youths" like to "discuss race" by randomly attacking people) but things like some deviants who claim they can't get a cake from some small bakery does? Or a church can hold to traditional religious views in their church is now a bad thing?

(And I used the term deviant only in the strict sense that the Obama government says that LBJG's, or whatever, are <3% of the population- and likely less than that in most areas of the country.)* So why do they always make news and protests? Why are they the number one priority on the Obama agenda? Over the economy? The wars? National Defense? The border? Nope, always the homosexual issues are number one. Why when it is such a small population and the broader issues effect everyone- including that very small subset of the population? Why isn't their lobby defending the cross-dressers that attacked, or at least mistakenly drove there after a "hotel party", the NSA building the other day? Clearly they were discriminated against and attacked for their "lifestyle" choices!**

*http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/index.html
"Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)a represent approximately 2% of the United States population"

**http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/567371/NSA-shooting-dead-Washington-crossdresser

[NowhereInTime]

I'm sure a few of these provocateured actions are real but most aren't. A group of dedicated activists force this issues. To paraphrase Groucho why do so many people want to visit, eat, or join groups or places that don't like them? What is wrong with being discriminating in your tastes or choices? Can I join Tri-Delt and use their showers and live at their house? Why are they allowed to discriminate against men? It is bizarre.

No, just your false moral equivalency is.

Actual crimes get hardly any national attention (like when "youths" like to "discuss race" by randomly attacking people)

Cite it or it didn't happen.

...but things like some deviants

And once again we get to the heart of the matter.

... who claim they can't get a cake from some small bakery does? Or a church can hold to traditional religious views in their church is now a bad thing?

When their "traditional religious views" include insistence on abstinence while their priests rape children?  Yeah.  Sharia Law?  Yes, a bad thing.  Religious fundamentalism?  Yes, a bad thing. 

(And I used the term deviant only in the strict sense that the Obama government says that LBJG's, or whatever, are <3% of the population- and likely less than that in most areas of the country.)*

Oh, so your snide defamation is validated by a statistical formulation. That makes everything alright then.

So why do they always make news and protests?

Because they are tired of being called "deviants" and being told they are second class citizens. when are you ever going to (even try) to understand that?!?

Why are they the number one priority on the Obama agenda?

Hyperbole.

Over the economy?

Specious linkage.

The wars?

That we should be ending?

National Defense?

Right, now gay cake activists (gayketivists?) are endangering national security.  Get a grip.

The border?

The border?!? Oh, right, almost forgot this was an Oberreichsmarschall Albrecht post.  It always has to come back to the border...

Nope, always the homosexual issues are number one.

Well, if you feel that way...

Why when it is such a small population and the broader issues effect everyone- including that very small subset of the population?

Because people matter.  Rights matter.  Human dignity isn't just reserved for WASP straight maleproperty owners.

Why isn't their lobby defending the cross-dressers that attacked, or at least mistakenly drove there after a "hotel party", the NSA building the other day? Clearly they were discriminated against and attacked for their "lifestyle" choices!**

Sometimes I think this has to be a schtick.  Nobody could be this stupid.  Not even Falkie.

*http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/index.html
"Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)a represent approximately 2% of the United States population"

**http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/567371/NSA-shooting-dead-Washington-crossdresser

Blah, blah, citing untrackable, unsubstantiated right wing sources ... and we're back.

[albrecht]

Blah, blah, citing untrackable, unsubstantiated right wing sources ... and we're back.

The CDC is "unsubstantiated right wing source?"*** Obama appointed the head* and it is an government agency** that released its statistics under his aegis? How is that a "right wing source?"
This is a new claim in the leftist playbook. Now the Center for Disease Control is right-wing propaganda. Amazing!
*https://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/President-Obama-Appoints-Dr-Thomas-Frieden-as-CDC-Director/
*http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/16/health/16prof.html?_r=0
** http://www.cdc.gov/ (it even is in Spanish! Very rightwing. And has a special section for the BGLT crowd. Very rightwing!)

***http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/index.html
"Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)a represent approximately 2% of the United States population"

[VtaGeezer]

"Hands up don't shoot!" - oh wait its just another fake leftwing media story that consists of no story at all. They could've at least had some hidden cell phone video or something.

Yep....all fake leftie propaganda.  That's why the IN Republipigs are in full-out f'ing panic to change or revoke the law.  At least this spectacular fail has probably put a stake in the VP aspirations of that smarmy, lying pig Pence.

[albrecht]

Yep....all fake leftie propaganda.  That's why the IN Republipigs are in full-out f'ing panic to change or revoke the law.  At least this spectacular fail has probably put a stake in the VP aspirations of that smarmy, lying pig Pence.

It was a stupid move to buy into the media and pressure groups. But, like most politicians and businessmen, they are very quick to try to "settle" due to our litigious culture and when the media is focused on them. And many homosexuals have, at least until recently with them wanting kids and "marriage", lots of disposable income. But this is an orchestrated scandal, after all.

The "leftist" in me makes me wonder sometimes when the issue is always, at least for a few years, has been always about these <2%ers (according to Obama's CDC) and not about the 1%! And how the leftists glam on to the irrelevant topic of the homosexuals (and other BLTs etc). You think that is why your favorite Koch and these big companies support and are focusing on the homo issue (and media focus on them- and not on labor issues, the environment, education, wages, etc- and also support the open-borders and cheap wages of illegals or of the new proposed L1 and H VISAs changes?) Maybe??? No, it has to be Christian's fault! I love it when leftists support big corporations and industry. Especially when their hero Obama goes along with them (albeit for different reasons, but still.) Classic.

[yumyumtree]

The Arlene's Floral case up here is pretty sad, IMO. I don't know the people personally, but here's what I've gleaned from radio.  It happened in Richland, I think.  The guy getting married, whose name I forget, had done business with Baronelle(the lady who owned Arlene's ) on other occasions. She had also employed gays. She didn't discriminate against gay PEOPLE, she just didn't want to do a gay wedding, because it would mean being there, being a party to a ceremony against her principles. According to what I heard, she directed him to some other florists, they hugged and it was good UNTIL his intended got wind of it, and he was the one who wanted to sue, etc.

I predict that this marriage doesn't last too long.

Now Gov. Inslee, not to be outdone by the mayor,  has declared that WA government will not be doing any business with Indiana, dang it.

[VtaGeezer]

The "leftist" in me makes me wonder...

Then you clearly wonder about very, very little. Even NASCAR has come out against the IN bigot's dream legislation that relied on vague language to slither through. That you're a supporter of the IN fiasco is pretty strong validation of it's intent.

[jan78]

The guy getting married, whose name I forget, had done business with Baronelle(the lady who owned Arlene's ) on other occasions. She had also employed gays. She didn't discriminate against gay PEOPLE, she just didn't want to do a gay wedding, because it would mean being there, being a party to a ceremony against her principles.

Yeah there is a big difference there. I'm sorry that this isn't understood and is instead scoffed at.

This law is flat out misconstrued in the media and by the public.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/30/your-questions-on-indianas-religious-freedom-bill-answered/
http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/30/meet-10-americans-helped-by-religious-freedom-bills-like-indianas/
http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/30/connecticuts-governor-doesnt-understand-his-own-states-rfra/

[albrecht]

Then you clearly wonder about very, very little. Even NASCAR has come out against the IN bigot's dream legislation that relied on vague language to slither through. That you're a supporter of the IN fiasco is pretty strong validation of it's intent.

This is the guy who claims the CDC, especially under Obama, is a "right-wing" source! Still haven't quite explained that!



Sure, NASCAR is against, maybe. (We would see if "fans" in core-market stopped going but who knows?)  As I mentioned all large corporations, especially under this administration and media, want to be "inclusive" and the homosexuals, cross-dressers, etc etc and also support lessening immigration rules and expansion of "inclusiveness." Anything for more markets, cheaper labor, or share-holders (isn't that the usual diatribe?) That really helps American workers, leftist!

Even just for marketing. NASCAR is bigger than NFL (and are trying to learn from them) maybe a good thing. I don't know, never really got into it. I won't claim it isn't a sport or is not hard but just never got into it. F1 is fun and NASCAR is fun, but, again, not the focus of my life or politics. F1 went green, sorta lame, but still fun to watch. NASCAR is going there. As I said, finding a market (or being propelled by governments and PERCEIVED markets.) Now, what I wonder, is what happens with NASCAR, F1, etc comes to term with real government intervention, or even just "change" as people use driverless cars, serious carbon taxes, or the "youth" problem is solved and use trains, buses, and light-rail etc. Can they adopt? We will see.

Sport should be sport (but we know it is not and could discuss professionalism/amateur, betting, marketing, etc to infinity.) But to claim that NASCAR, or any large corporation, is against it so that is EVIL?!? What kind of leftist, sorry, progressive, are you? I thought corporations, motor sports, etc was evil? They used to be all about Winston Cup etc (that's Evil Tabacco PLUS carbon foot-print btw) and now are reaching big-time to try to expand markets outside the "traditional" market. Have been for many years. That is what companies do. Doesn't mean it is "good" but good for owners, share-holders, tv, etc etc IF it works.

Again, I do like when you leftist, progressives type like to help corporations due to pet causes! Koch brothers "aint" as dumb as you say! Let's burn fuel! 2% support better than wondering about 1% will be the new "occupy" signs! They will let us wear dresses! Cheap labor! 1%! Yeah! We can "marry"! (Shareholder value, dividends, to me if the marketing and deception works! For the long-term of the country? Not so much. But it might be over anyhow so cash out!)

[Gd5150]

So why do they always make news and protests? Why are they the number one priority on the Obama agenda? Over the economy? The wars? National Defense? The border? Nope.

Considering the Obama administration has turned what should've been a typical 1 year recession into 7 years and counting, killed 25 million full time jobs, created a mess with healthcare system, has a foreign policy that has lead to complete chaos in the middle east, and helped put race relations back to the 60s, what else do you expect the leftwing media to talk about?

We have a presidential election in a year and half, gotta cook a bunch of fake social issues because thats what Democrats run on. When it comes to the issues that matter like economy & foreign policy Democrat's moronic policies are nonexistent to completely destructive. So for the next year and half its going exaggerated "outrage" over cooked up cell phone videos, social issues that never change, and a bunch of crap news stories that play's on people's emotions.

The real question our country faces is who's gonna be our next "rockstar" president.   

[VegasI15]

Funny how everyone is going nuts over legislation that Bill Clinton supported in the 90s.  It's the same legislation that the federal courts said nothing was wrong with.  Except for the fact that it contained legislation that was not supposed to be decided by the Federal government.  Rather it should be left to individual states to decide. 

Fast forward 20 years and it's like the devil himself wrote the legislation.  When it was Clinton's idea in the first place.  It should be called the Clinton law not the Indiana law.

[PB the Deplorable]

The Arlene's Floral case up here is pretty sad...

What we have here is one group of people (gays) who have been harshly discriminated against forever.  Now whenever they get the upper hand they're eager to begin discriminating against others.  As a group, I'm not talking about individuals.

We also have a second group (the Leftists) who are always eager to lie, misconstrue, attack, and tear down anyone they disagree with, all the time insisting they are the tolerant enlightened peaceful open-minded ones.

The Gay Mafia is continually escalating demands, and has thrown if with the Left.  The way they go about getting what they want and the aftermath makes it difficult to support anything they want .  I should add, of all the selfish special interest groups here locally in the SF Bay area, these people are the most selfish, most intolerant, most strident, most obnoxious, least willing to compromise, most willing to trample the rights of others.  And they know no matter what they do, how outrageous they get, their coalition friends will support them


Perhaps those forced to make gay wedding cakes, provide gay wedding flower arrangements, conduct ceremonies or rent out their venues should do it and just do a real shit job of it instead of going to jail or being targeted by these people for not knuckling under

[paladin1991]

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Now Gov. Inslee, not to be outdone by the mayor,  has declared that WA government will not be doing any business with Indiana, dang it.

Yeah.  I'll bet Indiana is shit scared over that.

[Gd5150]

Fast forward 20 years and it's like the devil himself wrote the legislation.  When it was Clinton's idea in the first place.  It should be called the Clinton law not the Indiana law.

Gee this sounds familiar. Lets see, hmmm, wait, don't ask, don't tell, I'm going to remember it I'm sure. Now what was that other policy that Clinton supported. Must have had something to do with peoples sexual preference. Oh well I'm sure I'll think of it eventually.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Mike Pence has always reminded me of Robert Shaw as Colonel Hessler in The Battle of the Bulge.

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[albrecht]

Mike Pence has always reminded me of Robert Shaw as Colonel Hessler in The Battle of the Bulge.

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That is uncanny and scary! Off topic but we need a thread for doppelgangers. Here is mine.

[Eddie Coyle]

That is uncanny and scary! Off topic but we need a thread for doppelgangers. Here is mine.

   I'd put more faith in Harry Dean Stanton than Leyland when it comes to bullpen use come October.

   *Leyland's sole championship should have Jose Mesa's picture on it.

[VtaGeezer]

Considering the Obama administration has turned  into 7 years and counting, killed 25 million full time jobs, created a mess with healthcare system, has a foreign policy that has lead to complete chaos in the middle east, and helped put race relations back to the 60s, what else do you expect the leftwing media to talk about?

We have a presidential election in a year and half, gotta cook a bunch of fake social issues because thats what Democrats run on. When it comes to the issues that matter like economy & foreign policy Democrat's moronic policies are nonexistent to completely destructive. So for the next year and half its going exaggerated "outrage" over cooked up cell phone videos, social issues that never change, and a bunch of crap news stories that play's on people's emotions.

The real question our country faces is who's gonna be our next "rockstar" president.   

"...what should've been a typical 1 year recession"  That statement is irrefutable evidence that you live in a cocoon of absurdity.

[VtaGeezer]

Funny how everyone is going nuts over legislation that Bill Clinton supported in the 90s.  It's the same legislation that the federal courts said nothing was wrong with.  Except for the fact that it contained legislation that was not supposed to be decided by the Federal government.  Rather it should be left to individual states to decide. 

Fast forward 20 years and it's like the devil himself wrote the legislation.  When it was Clinton's idea in the first place.  It should be called the Clinton law not the Indiana law.

That's misleading bunk.  The new Indiana law goes far beyond the Federal law Clinton signed, as will the Arkansas bill if signed into law.  Not to mention that most Americans have evolved considerably in tolerance of gays from when that Federal law was being debated almost 20 years ago.  The new laws give for-profit businesses the same right to "free exercise of religion" as a church or an individual.  And "exercise" is far broader term in application than "practice".  So now judges will decide if a religious value is or isn't being exercised?  Gee, how can that possibly go wrong?  The new law also makes exercise of religion a defense for businesses against private lawsuits; the Fed and almost all of the other state RFRA laws give protection against govt action.  Its not just going to be used to exclude only gays; it certainly will morph into using religion as an excuse for excluding and denying others.

[albrecht]

That's misleading bunk.  The new Indiana law goes far beyond the Federal law Clinton signed, as will the Arkansas bill if signed into law.  Not to mention that most Americans have evolved considerably in tolerance of gays from when that Federal law was being debated almost 20 years ago.  The new laws give for-profit businesses the same right to "free exercise of religion" as a church or an individual.  And "exercise" is far broader term in application than "practice".  So now judges will decide if a religious value is or isn't being exercised?  Gee, how can that possibly go wrong?  The new law also makes exercise of religion a defense for businesses against private lawsuits; the Fed and almost all of the other state RFRA laws give protection against govt action.  Its not just going to be used to exclude only gays; it certainly will morph into using religion as an excuse for excluding and denying others.

This is an orchestrated "problem" by a small deviant population (from the Obama administration's own numbers if you look at the CDC study <2% of population according to the government numbers*) and a pet-cause of Obama, for whatever personal reason. Interesting to remember, if you think back, how the Russia stuff started (after the stupidly misspelled "reset button" Obama policy, keeping with the stupid of Bush "soul in eyes" policy) but ramped up when Obama kept harping about Russian laws, which were very benign, with regard to homosexuals. This guy, for whatever reason, is willing to start international incidents with nuclear powers and disrupt the spirit of the Olympics because some homosexuals can't parade about or adopt children....in another country!) But, maybe again due to "personal reasons" won't speak much of anti-homosexual laws or culture (or religion) in Arabic or African places- that have far, far worse behavior and laws towards deviants.

But it is a "base voter" issue and sells well in Hollywood and the news who always like controversy and are big Obama, and Party, givers. And compared to foreign policy, the real economy, the open-border, the unemployment in key Democrat demographics, anything, anything is better for the news. So make up an issue and play it up for all it is worth.

*http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/index.html

[Gd5150]

What a great non story non issue. The sheep on the left in te US just continue to show how easily they are manipulated. It's nice to see the left in the US once again show its total lack of tolerance for anyone with views different than their own. You ask for hypocrisy I give you the modern left wing democrat.

"I want everyone to know as a small business owner i will tolerate views that are different than my own and happily cater anyones wedding who desires it. I am opposed to discrimination"

Sincerely,

Ronald McDonald