Art Bell

[coaster]

Can people here stop posting stupid shit like this?  We don't know anything about Art's situation, so stop the stupid negative comments about his health and demise.  He did not look that bad in the picture he posted.  Pneumonia is not a death warrant.  Just send him positive thoughts and vibes and stick with that.

X2.
If he was that ill, I doubt he would be still be wearing jeans and having someone take his picture. I spent all of june in a hospital. I saw sick and terminal folks every day. Im sure art is fine. Whatever it is, im sure art will bounce back. Being dramatic is silly as hell.

[starrmtn001]

X2.
If he was that ill, I doubt he would be still be wearing jeans and having someone take his picture. I spent all of june in a hospital. I saw sick and terminal folks every day. Im sure art is fine. Whatever it is, im sure art will bounce back. Being dramatic is silly as hell.

And stuff to make him laugh. 

Laughter IS the best medicine!!!

[(Reality)]

Can people here stop posting stupid shit like this?  We don't know anything about Art's situation, so stop the stupid negative comments about his health and demise.  He did not look that bad in the picture he posted.  Pneumonia is not a death warrant.  Just send him positive thoughts and vibes and stick with that.

very good point(s)!

"Panic.Panic. Confusion. Hysteria..mostly by females here."

[PaulAtreides]

I am in my early 70's.  Several years back some twenty-something deliberately coughed in my face, twice.  I have no understanding as to why he did this, but ever since then I had had a bad cough. 

Then, I started taking Olive Leaf Extract, one in the a.m. and one in the p.m., whenever the cough started up again.  After having done this for I don't know how long, I find myself free of the cough. 

For those who think this was a waste of their time - sorry.

Have you tried rubbing it on your 70 year old dick?  Does it make your lady smile again?

[I_Speculate]

Have you tried rubbing it on your 70 year old dick?  Does it make your lady smile again?

Are you like 13 years old?

Your getting my vote for most irrelevant and immature post of the day.

[CornyCrow]

Are you like 13 years old?

Your getting my vote for most irrelevant and immature post of the day.

Thanks.  It was a silly remark.  Last I checked, I was a female.

[nooryisawesome]

Hope Art feeling better. With multiple hospital trips plus his breathing problems not sure how long his MITD run would have lasted even without the stalker.

Hope Art feels better.

[Robert]

No "yay" is in order if he has pneumonia. It is deadly for the elderly and most certainly deadly for an elderly man with COPD.

Oh, I know that.  Had a friend die of it last year.  But I gathered that Art wouldn't've been discharged if he'd been that bad.

[aldousburbank]

Oh, I know that.  Had a friend die of it last year.  But I gathered that Art wouldn't've been discharged if he'd been that bad.

Art has not yet been discharged.

[Hog]

The coughing uncovered isnt proper, but the real disgusting and droplet spreading function is an uncovered sneeze.  The velocities of a sneeze are much higher from a sneeze than a cough, plus there are more droplets expelled via a sneeze.  There is research that some other activities such as singing can create super small droplets which are a vehicle for the spreading of certain pathogens.

I have never heard of any sort of logic that HIV infected people were having unprotected sex simply to spread the disease more so that the government would take note.  A lot of people ended up dead because of the slow reaction of the Reagan gov. towards HIV and the publics ingnorance that it was only a gay males disease.
I can only dream of where healthcare would be today if all the money wasted on the war on drugs was put into medical research.

peace
Hog

[Robert]

A "yay" is more than in order.  Yes, pneumonia claims many- but the hospital usually does not release somebody on their deathbed the same day that they arrive.  If this report is accurate, it means that Art will need medication and to watch himself- but it also means that he is not on a ventilator nor would it appear to be overly severe.  I would imagine that it was caught early.

If it's viral pneumonia, as most are, then its being caught early doesn't improve the prognosis.  Viral pneumonia is good news & bad news.  The good news is that it usually indicates a lesser degree of debility than would bacterial pneumonia or a pneumonia of some other infectious cause.  The bad news is that there are curative (though far from guaranteed) treatments for the others, but the treatment for viral pneumonia is mainly supportive and anti-inflammatory.  Diagnosing viral pneumonia early means there's that much longer a course of it ahead.

My friend Ed Hughes (Huser) -- http://bgwhois.com/site/thefriendlystranger.com.html -- the second time he got pneumonia in the nursing home, would have had a very hard time with treatment, so he chose the morphine drip option.

[Hog]

Hope Art feeling better. With multiple hospital trips plus his breathing problems not sure how long his MITD run would have lasted even without the stalker.

Hope Art feels better.

Maybe these 2 hospital visits might have been avoided if MITD was his filling his schedule, who can really say?

Best wishes to Art.

peace
Hog

[Robert]

Art has not yet been discharged.

Well, Noory did say the report was uncomfirmed.

Pneumonia is often a chance finding made while investigating other things -- the so-called walking pneumonia where the patient is not only ambulatory but doesn't even feel noticeably sick, and happens to have a medical exam for other reasons and gets a viral pneumonia dx.  We have no idea how many people get pneumonia, get better, & never knew they had it.  Wide range of severity.  In the case of someone with pulmonary emphysema of long standing, symptoms of even bacterial, fungal, or other pneumonias can be dismissed as part of the existing condition.

[Element 115]

Yes.  I think you're right.  It was shocking to me.  There are certainly some strange people in this world.

Glad you're still doing well and that you've found something that keeps the cough at bay.

[PB the Deplorable]

...  A lot of people ended up dead because of the slow reaction of the Reagan gov. towards HIV and the publics ingnorance that it was only a gay males disease...

Pretty sure Reagan wasn't the one spreading it.

What I remember, living here in SF, was the absolute militant refusal of the gays to shutting down the bathhouses, ending certain behavior at the clubs, testing people coming into the system (such as people who were arrested, hospitalized, etc), or anything else that would spoil their fun or 'stigmatize' them. 

Not sure what 'Reagan' was supposed to have done, but we do know he was in the 'wrong' party and the mayors of the cities with large gay populations who did little to nothing were in the 'correct' party.  Seriously, if 'everyone knew', why the need to wait for 'Reagan' to 'do something'?

[BattyBrooke]

Not really. My mother had copd for over a decade and was in the hospital with pneumonia several times. Its not always deadly.

What did she ultimately pass away from?

[BattyBrooke]

The yay is premature but so is starting to fill out Art's death certificate, which you seem ready to do. So before you tell us again that Art's condition is "most certainly deadly" IF he has pneumonia, I suggest you take a pill and wait for some actual verified information on his condition. You're not helping.

I understand you are upset by Art's illness and are at the processing stage called "denial", so, because you obviously love him as I do, I will spare you the sharpest bit of my tongue and simply say, you, sir, are a magical thinking moron. I am a realist. That does not mean I wish Art any ill will whatsoever. Go back through my posts and you will see I am one of the few that defended him in his final retirement just a few months ago. I simply choose not to lie to myself to avoid greater pain later. To do so would be childish. Grow up.

[BattyBrooke]

Art has not yet been discharged.

You see? "Yay" was *not* yet in order.

[BattyBrooke]

A "yay" is more than in order.  Yes, pneumonia claims many- but the hospital usually does not release somebody on their deathbed the same day that they arrive.  If this report is accurate, it means that Art will need medication and to watch himself- but it also means that he is not on a ventilator nor would it appear to be overly severe.  I would imagine that it was caught early.

Best guess is that Art will be enjoying the 4th with his family while recovering. Be well, Art! 

It turns out, at the time of your post, Art had not, in fact, been discharged after all, so..."Yay"? Uhm, no.

[BattyBrooke]

Can people here stop posting stupid shit like this?  We don't know anything about Art's situation, so stop the stupid negative comments about his health and demise.  He did not look that bad in the picture he posted.  Pneumonia is not a death warrant.  Just send him positive thoughts and vibes and stick with that.

As I told Value of Pi (I've copied and pasted for you in the hopes reading it twice on this board will be a teaching technique suited to your learning style.) -


I understand you are upset by Art's illness and are at the processing stage called "denial", so, because you obviously love him as I do, I will spare you the sharpest bit of my tongue and simply say, you, sir, are a magical thinking moron. I am a realist. That does not mean I wish Art any ill will whatsoever. Go back through my posts and you will see I am one of the few that defended him in his final retirement just a few months ago. I simply choose not to lie to myself to avoid greater pain later. To do so would be childish. Grow up.

[BattyBrooke]

If it's viral pneumonia, as most are, then its being caught early doesn't improve the prognosis.  Viral pneumonia is good news & bad news.  The good news is that it usually indicates a lesser degree of debility than would bacterial pneumonia or a pneumonia of some other infectious cause.  The bad news is that there are curative (though far from guaranteed) treatments for the others, but the treatment for viral pneumonia is mainly supportive and anti-inflammatory.  Diagnosing viral pneumonia early means there's that much longer a course of it ahead.

My friend Ed Hughes (Huser) -- http://bgwhois.com/site/thefriendlystranger.com.html -- the second time he got pneumonia in the nursing home, would have had a very hard time with treatment, so he chose the morphine drip option.

Careful, Robert. Facts are frowned upon here and are mistaken for "negative vibes". You must never tell children the truth. It frightens and upsets them. 

[Value Of Pi]

I understand you are upset by Art's illness and are at the processing stage called "denial", so, because you obviously love him as I do, I will spare you the sharpest bit of my tongue and simply say, you, sir, are a magical thinking moron. I am a realist. That does not mean I wish Art any ill will whatsoever. Go back through my posts and you will see I am one of the few that defended him in his final retirement just a few months ago. I simply choose not to lie to myself to avoid greater pain later. To do so would be childish. Grow up.

Nobody on this forum knows all the specifics about Art's condition and how serious it may be. This includes you. Speculation over prognosis serves no useful purpose. So kindly stop talking about denial or any of the other stages of grief, as if Art is already dead. Art is not dead and may very well be reading this thread as he recovers. Have a little respect for his feelings. And quit all this condescending crap towards other BellGabbers.

[CornyCrow]

The coughing uncovered isnt proper, but the real disgusting and droplet spreading function is an uncovered sneeze.  The velocities of a sneeze are much higher from a sneeze than a cough, plus there are more droplets expelled via a sneeze.  There is research that some other activities such as singing can create super small droplets which are a vehicle for the spreading of certain pathogens.

I have never heard of any sort of logic that HIV infected people were having unprotected sex simply to spread the disease more so that the government would take note.  A lot of people ended up dead because of the slow reaction of the Reagan gov. towards HIV and the publics ingnorance that it was only a gay males disease.
I can only dream of where healthcare would be today if all the money wasted on the war on drugs was put into medical research.

peace
Hog

Yeah, there were people spreading it.  After a while they started being arrested, which they should have been.  The medical industry must now be ecstatic because of all those expensive meds these people have to take for the rest of their lives.  Big Pharm must hate stem cell research because of the promise/hope of permanent cures for diseases we had thought were incurable. 

I agree with you about all the vested interests that are fighting ending the war on drugs.  There has to be a better way.  We get very little news of Portugal, the only country I know that has made drugs no longer illegal.  Crime has dropped and I've seen it on a list of one of the safest countries for people to visit.  Less gang activity there.   

[CornyCrow]

Glad you're still doing well and that you've found something that keeps the cough at bay.

Oh, thanks.  As I said, I think it's gone.  I just took the Olive Leaf whenever the symptoms came back and either my immune system rallied and killed it OR I may have had some low grade secondary infection that was cured, allowing concentration of efforts on the cough. 

What I think is a great help to retired people is to walk each day.  My husband and I are out before sunrise every morning strolling around the neighborhood. 

[CornyCrow]

Pretty sure Reagan wasn't the one spreading it.

What I remember, living here in SF, was the absolute militant refusal of the gays to shutting down the bathhouses, ending certain behavior at the clubs, testing people coming into the system (such as people who were arrested, hospitalized, etc), or anything else that would spoil their fun or 'stigmatize' them. 

Not sure what 'Reagan' was supposed to have done, but we do know he was in the 'wrong' party and the mayors of the cities with large gay populations who did little to nothing were in the 'correct' party.  Seriously, if 'everyone knew', why the need to wait for 'Reagan' to 'do something'?

These were the days of the "moral" majority that stigmatized gays horribly.  They were Reagan's constituents.  Another thing Reagan did was to close public health mental institutions around the country, so now we have all these troubled homeless vagrants walking among us.  Every now and then they end up attacking an innocent person. 

A gay guy with whom I worked died.  His 'religious' parents did not attend his funeral.  Times were different then.  I sometimes wonder if religion has hurt as many people as it's helped.  It is very dangerous when a religious group takes over a political party.  I would tax religions.  If they insist on meddling in public life, let them take the responsibility for doing so.

 

[CornyCrow]

Nobody on this forum knows all the specifics about Art's condition and how serious it may be. This includes you. Speculation over prognosis serves no useful purpose. So kindly stop talking about denial or any of the other stages of grief, as if Art is already dead. Art is not dead and may very well be reading this thread as he recovers. Have a little respect for his feelings. And quit all this condescending crap towards other BellGabbers.

I think Art loves to be the subject of controversy, so he gives his adoring public just enough info to create all this speculation. 

Ask yourself, if this were your uncle Jimmy, if he would just let rip with a photo or if by now, knowing you are concerned, you would have LOTS of details.  Fans just play into his hands.  I'm not saying he's not ill, he obviously has problems, but that's all we know and maybe we should just end it there - where  he obviously wants it. 

[ge30542]

X2.
If he was that ill, I doubt he would be still be wearing jeans and having someone take his picture. I spent all of june in a hospital. I saw sick and terminal folks every day. Im sure art is fine. Whatever it is, im sure art will bounce back. Being dramatic is silly as hell.

I know, right?
Talk of viral pneumonia, will he survive, is this the end, where does this shit come from?
These are the people who feign despair and place flowers at an impromptu memorial when someone they don't know dies.

[PaulAtreides]

Thanks.  It was a silly remark.  Last I checked, I was a female.

My only regret is that I guessed wrong about your gender.  Really, if you're going to advise people to use snake oil, you might be able to get a gig on Coast to Coast's quack nights. 

[ItsOver]

...What I think is a great help to retired people is to walk each day.  My husband and I are out before sunrise every morning strolling around the neighborhood.

One of the best things you can do, regardless of age, especially with cyber machines and the infamous boob tube turning us into static objects for too many hours of the day.  It works great for weight loss, blood pressure, blood sugar, digestion, etc.  I believe walking is better than running for most people.  A lot easier on the joints.  It's more natural.  I don't believe our ancestors were running unless they had to.

[PaulAtreides]

Are you like 13 years old?

Your getting my vote for most irrelevant and immature post of the day.

No, I'm old enough not to put stock in snake oil cures.