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Started by sillydog, April 07, 2008, 11:21:45 PM

whoozit

Quote from: phrodo on November 08, 2015, 12:47:58 PM
Awesome analysis of the situation LV. RCH apparently must be having some early-senility issues. Either that or he's just batshit crazy.
I think hes's number two. ;)

trostol

Quote from: Diabhal on November 08, 2015, 11:45:56 AM
Hoagie was always wank tbh. Surprised people haven't always thought that.

this actually is not true..for a good two months he was a normal human being..enjoyable to listen to even during his crazy shows..then...


trostol

Quote from: Camazotz Automat on November 08, 2015, 05:29:18 AM
So the BRAAPS Pack is dead?!

Jesus wept, Richard, what the hell?

And - despite my never hearing a single episode of TOSOM - I went to all that goddamn trouble to make a special keyboard button for your groupies.

Damn it! Damn your hide! Damn your eyes!

http://bellgab.com/index.php/topic,3205.msg576973.html#msg576973

BRAAPS hasn't died..it is just now re-purposed into his shows on air demise 

Dyna-X

Quote from: Art Bell on November 07, 2015, 04:41:22 PM
I guess I need to say something about the email and messages I have been getting about RCH. I did everything I could to help him in every way possible, including getting a loan of expensive gear from Telos to transmit his show to the Network. I found Rossy for him. I gave him the best advice I could muster up on how to proceed. I provided help in more ways then I will try to detail here.

I am sad that events have unfolded as they have. I am not going to discuss specifics but will say that we are currently not in communication nor have we been for some time now. Sometimes you think you know somebody and then find out you never really did, just sad. Please understand that I do not run the Network, I just do my show.

Art

I'm sorry, Art, it sounds like you and Keith gave RCH an opportunity that many would give a kidney to have, a metaphoric chance to speed down the desert highway in his Golden Years, and he flushed it all down the bowl. Was his ego really his achilles heel?  It is tragic what that means for not just his career but the friendship he had with you. What is left for him? Going to stale UFO conferences and talking about the same thing he has been talking about for the last 20 years? Reminiscing about Cronkite? Now its like we are having a funeral for him while he's still alive. There was a period of time or a peak on his show that I thought he really might at very least get a healthy "cult" following and his guests might help expand his world - and help develop and shape new ideas.  But sadly, I see him becoming his own "archology." Many of us feel like we've swallowed a brick.

Yorkshire pud

I don't fully buy AB saying how he thought he knew RCH but discovered he really didn't. That's the same for all of us, but we tend to take notice of their previous record. RCH's previous record has been almost exclusively selling woo woo about Mars and the Moon. I've known this for about ten years, AB has known him longer.

Guilty by association? Maybe not; but it's disingenuous to pretend to not know how someone is in a professional capacity after all those years. I can suss my work colleagues in about an hour of working with them. Within a day I know if I want to build on that relationship or keep it cool and business like.

I knew RCH's show would tank; I knew it as soon as it was announced he was doing it. Not through any fault of Rossy; and it's fair to say he kept it going up to when it tanked; but because of the way RCH is with people. There was a certain inevitability how his relationship with Rossy would play out, and the aftermath.

Lilith

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 08, 2015, 02:37:22 PM
I don't fully buy AB saying how he thought he knew RCH but discovered he really didn't. That's the same for all of us, but we tend to take notice of their previous record. RCH's previous record has been almost exclusively selling woo woo about Mars and the Moon. I've known this for about ten years, AB has known him longer.

Guilty by association? Maybe not; but it's disingenuous to pretend to not know how someone is in a professional capacity after all those years. I can suss my work colleagues in about an hour of working with them. Within a day I know if I want to build on that relationship or keep it cool and business like.

I knew RCH's show would tank; I knew it as soon as it was announced he was doing it. Not through any fault of Rossy; and it's fair to say he kept it going up to when it tanked; but because of the way RCH is with people. There was a certain inevitability how his relationship with Rossy would play out, and the aftermath.

That pretty much sums up all my thoughts on the situation.  Rossy guided Hoagie into developing a humorous and meaningful relationship with the bellgabbers, helped turn the show into a fun and entertaining listen and forum experience for bellgabbers. After Rossy left, Hoagie forgot how to relate to his bellgabber fans.  In spite of all this, and true to form, the bellgabbers are keeping the Live Hoagie thread, funny and entertaining.  Bravo bellgabbers!!!  ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

chefist

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 08, 2015, 02:37:22 PM
I don't fully buy AB saying how he thought he knew RCH but discovered he really didn't. That's the same for all of us, but we tend to take notice of their previous record. RCH's previous record has been almost exclusively selling woo woo about Mars and the Moon. I've known this for about ten years, AB has known him longer.

Guilty by association? Maybe not; but it's disingenuous to pretend to not know how someone is in a professional capacity after all those years. I can suss my work colleagues in about an hour of working with them. Within a day I know if I want to build on that relationship or keep it cool and business like.

I knew RCH's show would tank; I knew it as soon as it was announced he was doing it. Not through any fault of Rossy; and it's fair to say he kept it going up to when it tanked; but because of the way RCH is with people. There was a certain inevitability how his relationship with Rossy would play out, and the aftermath.

I'm pretty sure RCH behaved very well with Art and Snoory all those years in order to get airtime...I can see that convincing someone with good intentions like Art to give him a chance!

This is all on RCH IMO.

albrecht

Quote from: chefist on November 08, 2015, 03:01:14 PM
I'm pretty sure RCH behaved very well with Art and Snoory all those years in order to get airtime...I can see that convincing someone with good intentions like Art to give him a chance!

This is all on RCH IMO.
I would add that Art himself did very few public performances and never "got on the circuit," as much like many of his guests or RCH, so likely, maybe had most of his contact over the phone, emails, and over the radio, with RCH. In which case he might not have known the apparent extent of his behavior towards staff etc? Or knew a bit but thought he could change or at least make the network money?

K_Dubb

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 08, 2015, 02:37:22 PM
I don't fully buy AB saying how he thought he knew RCH but discovered he really didn't. That's the same for all of us, but we tend to take notice of their previous record. RCH's previous record has been almost exclusively selling woo woo about Mars and the Moon. I've known this for about ten years, AB has known him longer.

Guilty by association? Maybe not; but it's disingenuous to pretend to not know how someone is in a professional capacity after all those years. I can suss my work colleagues in about an hour of working with them. Within a day I know if I want to build on that relationship or keep it cool and business like.

I knew RCH's show would tank; I knew it as soon as it was announced he was doing it. Not through any fault of Rossy; and it's fair to say he kept it going up to when it tanked; but because of the way RCH is with people. There was a certain inevitability how his relationship with Rossy would play out, and the aftermath.

If peddling dubious content is enough to impugn character, you could tar nearly every one of Art's guests with that brush.  It's just entertainment, fantasy, and most of us get it.

What has shown us how Hoagie is with people besides the fight with Dave (laughable) and whatever happened with his stalker (who I just heard Hoagie acknowledge as the first one to come up with the Mars-as-archaeology idea)?

nbirnes

Quote from: K_Dubb on November 08, 2015, 03:11:53 PM
If peddling dubious content is enough to impugn character, you could tar nearly every one of Art's guests with that brush.  It's just entertainment, fantasy, and most of us get it.

I disagree wholeheartedly with this. I've been involved with this stuff since 1997, via Roswell's 50th anniversary, and I know there is a whole lot of uncomfortable truth mixed in with the X-file stuff. And if you only read Bruce Maccabee's work, you'd already be doing yourself a huge favor.

I know that many many people are studying the edge of the envelope, and they are guests on the better paranormal shows.

Quote from: trostol on November 08, 2015, 01:02:07 PM
this actually is not true..for a good two months he was a normal human being..enjoyable to listen to even during his crazy shows..then...



Sometimes a train wreck can lead to greater things.




K_Dubb

Quote from: nbirnes on November 08, 2015, 03:30:01 PM
I disagree wholeheartedly with this. I've been involved with this stuff since 1997, via Roswell's 50th anniversary, and I know there is a whole lot of uncomfortable truth mixed in with the X-file stuff. And if you only read Bruce Maccabee's work, you'd already be doing yourself a huge favor.

I know that many many people are studying the edge of the envelope, and they are guests on the better paranormal shows.
You're right, that was pretty grim.

Ok fantasy with the added frisson that it might be true; entertainment for people who find possibilities more interesting than certainties  ;)

nbirnes

Quote from: K_Dubb on November 08, 2015, 03:43:50 PM
Ok fantasy with the added frisson that it might be true; entertainment for people who find possibilities more interesting than certainties  ;)

Again, a bit of a disagree. I don't start from fantasy when imagining the perfect guest, but rather a person with lifetime of legit research in established fields, so that any forays into the para are taken with more knowledge than most of us. And then, the perfect guest has already written a book so that the research is coherent.

Art and Heather have been bringing us more of these guests than anyone else.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: K_Dubb on November 08, 2015, 03:11:53 PM
If peddling dubious content is enough to impugn character, you could tar nearly every one of Art's guests with that brush.  It's just entertainment, fantasy, and most of us get it.

Sure; but being a guest is one thing; similar to the relatives bringing their toddlers round to visit, they can go home! Facilitating someone to be in effect a colleague is another thing entirely. Hoagland may be fine as a guest, no investment...say his piece and off he goes until next time he needs to insist that Mars is covered in broken pyramids/apartments/sports shops etc..At least one gullible newcomer will believe it and buy the book. But as a host? Nope.
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What has shown us how Hoagie is with people besides the fight with Dave (laughable) and whatever happened with his stalker (who I just heard Hoagie acknowledge as the first one to come up with the Mars-as-archaeology idea)?

Oh that's just a crash...completely.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: nbirnes on November 08, 2015, 03:47:48 PM
Again, a bit of a disagree. I don't start from fantasy when imagining the perfect guest, but rather a person with lifetime of legit research in established fields, so that any forays into the para are taken with more knowledge than most of u
s. And then, the perfect guest has already written a book so that the research is coherent.

Art and Heather have been bringing us more of these guests than anyone else.

Well actually no; Research has to be founded on observation, hypothesis, repeatable experiments and be shown by others with no vested interest to be sound. Very often, well more than very often, that isn't the case with many paranormal topics. I don't believe for instance there is any chance that Earth is the only planet that is inhabited. However, that is a reach to then suggest we have been the host to beings from another part of the vastness of the Universe. Many believe it's happened. There's no conclusive unequivical proof, but some believe it. But then 50% of the US population believe angels are real.

Juan

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 08, 2015, 04:04:11 PM
Research has to be founded on observation, hypothesis, repeatable experiments and be shown by others with no vested interest to be sound.
It would appear not in today's world.

K_Dubb

Quote from: nbirnes on November 08, 2015, 03:47:48 PM
Again, a bit of a disagree. I don't start from fantasy when imagining the perfect guest, but rather a person with lifetime of legit research in established fields, so that any forays into the para are taken with more knowledge than most of us. And then, the perfect guest has already written a book so that the research is coherent.

Art and Heather have been bringing us more of these guests than anyone else.

Hahaha the Art Bell fan forum is probably the last place for an epistemological debate, particularly since whether or not a story is true is, to me, the least-interesting part about it.

Lilith

Quote from: K_Dubb on November 08, 2015, 04:13:45 PM
Hahaha the Art Bell fan forum is probably the last place for an epistemological debate, particularly since whether or not a story is true is, to me, the least-interesting part about it.

Finally, someone who understands me lol's  ;D

ItsOver

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 08, 2015, 04:04:11 PM... But then 50% of the US population believe angels are real.
But what about portals?

chefist

Quote from: ItsOver on November 08, 2015, 04:27:17 PM
But what about portals?


Snorches portals are always up for debate!

ItsOver

Quote from: chefist on November 08, 2015, 04:33:15 PM
Snorches portals are always up for debate!
That's true.


WhiteCrow

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 08, 2015, 04:04:11 PM
But then 50% of the US population believe angels are real.

I'll assume you don't "believe" that angels are real.... Where is your proof?  Just saying...
I can "believe" Art is an honorable man, until I have hard facts to prove he isn't.
After all these years, I don't see any evidence, that he isn't.

The opposite is fact.. Art has spent a lot of time and resources to defend his honor!

Viva Art Bell




PING

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on November 08, 2015, 01:01:37 AM
Psychic treadmill repairman.

If he's such a good psychic, he should be calling me to say "your treadmill's about to stop working, but I know what's wrong with it"

albrecht

Quote from: PING on November 08, 2015, 05:31:31 PM
If he's such a good psychic, he should be calling me to say "your treadmill's about to stop working, but I know what's wrong with it"
Is that repair man Nevada-based? Well, I guess it wouldn't matter since he uses psychic methods but Harry Reid could've used him a while back. It was  'treadmill accident' after all, as I recall. hahaha

Oleus

Quote from: albrecht on November 08, 2015, 05:38:21 PM
Is that repair man Nevada-based? Well, I guess it wouldn't matter since he uses psychic methods but Harry Reid could've used him a while back. It was  'treadmill accident' after all, as I recall. hahaha

I kind of took the "psychic" angle of his ad/business as tongue-in-cheek and that he's selling himself as a phone troubleshooter who will help fix things without a physical visit.  I could be wrong though

AppealPlay

Quote from: Oleus on November 08, 2015, 05:54:35 PM
I kind of took the "psychic" angle of his ad/business as tongue-in-cheek and that he's selling himself as a phone troubleshooter who will help fix things without a physical visit.  I could be wrong though

That's exactly what he says in his spot.  He's just trying to be funny.  He obviously did a good job with his ad as we're talking about it. ;D

Ciardelo

Quote from: Oleus on November 08, 2015, 05:54:35 PM
I kind of took the "psychic" angle of his ad/business as tongue-in-cheek and that he's selling himself as a phone troubleshooter who will help fix things without a physical visit.  I could be wrong though
No, I think you're right. I wonder how many people really need his services? He might have something...if his ads are still running next year we'll know.

albrecht

Quote from: Oleus on November 08, 2015, 05:54:35 PM
I kind of took the "psychic" angle of his ad/business as tongue-in-cheek and that he's selling himself as a phone troubleshooter who will help fix things without a physical visit.  I could be wrong though
Yeah, I think you are right. I hope? Either way the ad worked as MfromVA mentioned.

Spinner

Quote from: aldousburbank on November 07, 2015, 06:17:29 PM
It's hard to keep up with junk around here.
The Brappening?
No kidding... I'm having supper, so I logged in to see if Art had posted recently, and it seems that there's a new happening. A braappening?
Not sure I can catch up tonight because I have other things to attend to, but I'll look around while I eat.

Anyway, all that matters is that Art is stays on the air. :)

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