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Started by The General, February 11, 2011, 01:33:34 AM

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on October 11, 2016, 04:24:14 PM
Sounds about right.  Seems the DNC is much smarter than the RNC.

No doubt about that.


analog kid

Quote from: Jackstar on October 11, 2016, 04:09:45 PM
When you're a star, they let you do what you want. It's incredible.

That makes it worse, because he's using a position of power.

Jackstar

Are you one of those people who think that people are literally serious when they say, "fuck your mother"? I want to put a tracking collar on you.

136 or 142

Quote from: 21st Century Man on October 11, 2016, 03:59:08 PM
WikiLeaks Reveals DNC Elevated Trump to Help Clinton

In June 2015, Donald Trump announced his presidential campaign.

According to an email from Marissa Astor, Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook’s assistant, to Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, the campaign knew Trump was going to run, and pushed his legitimacy as a candidate. WikiLeaks’ release shows that it was seen as in Clinton’s best interest to run against Trump in the general election. The memo, sent to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) also reveals the DNC and Clinton campaign were strategizing on behalf of their candidate at the very beginning of the primaries. “We think our goals mirror those of the DNC,” stated the memo, attached to the email under the title “muddying the waters.”

The memo named Trump, Sen. Ted Cruz, and Ben Carson as wanted candidates. “We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to them seriously,” the memo noted.

Clinton was widely presumed to be the Democratic presidential nominee long before the primaries began. This assumption was held by the mainstream media and the Democratic Party leadership. Expecting Clinton to be the nominee, the DNC and Clinton campaign developed strategies for the general election.

In June, hacker Guccifer 2.0 released an opposition research dossier on Trump, dated December 19, 2015. Coincidentally, no other opposition research dossiers were released by Guccifer 2.0 from the DNC hacks.

It was in the best interest of Clinton, and therefore the Democratic Party, that Trump was the Republican presidential nominee. Polls indicated Sen. Rubio, Gov. Kasich, or almost any other establishment Republican would likely beat Clinton in a general election. Even Cruz, who is reviled by most Republicans, would still maintain the ability to rally the Republican Partyâ€"especially its wealthy donorsâ€"around his candidacy. Clinton and Democrats expected the FBI investigation into her private email server would serve as a major obstacle to Clinton’s candidacy, and the public’s familiarity with her scandals and flip-flopping political record put her at a disadvantage against a newcomer. Donald Trump solved these problems.

More at

http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/

You should be able to see why I'm not sure this is a genuine leak.

136 or 142

John Allen Paulos ‏@JohnAllenPaulos  27m27 minutes ago
Trump unshackled: I shall overcomb.

analog kid

Quote from: Jackstar on October 11, 2016, 05:11:40 PM
Are you one of those people who think that people are literally serious when they say, "fuck your mother"? I want to put a tracking collar on you.

Do you know anybody who talks about forcing himself on married women while he's married and his wife is pregnant?

Because I've never met anyone like that.

136 or 142

Quote from: analog kid on October 11, 2016, 05:56:33 PM
Do you know anybody who talks about forcing himself on married women while he's married and his wife is pregnant?

Because I've never met anyone like that.

You must  have never been in a locker room them.  Not Trump's locker room, anyway.  The locker room where he sexually assaulted women.

analog kid

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 11, 2016, 05:58:18 PM
You must  have never been in a locker room them.  Not Trump's locker room, anyway.  The locker room where he sexually assaulted women.

I'll pass on that locker room.


Value Of Pi

Quote from: 21st Century Man on October 11, 2016, 03:59:08 PM
WikiLeaks Reveals DNC Elevated Trump to Help Clinton

In June 2015, Donald Trump announced his presidential campaign.

According to an email from Marissa Astor, Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook’s assistant, to Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, the campaign knew Trump was going to run, and pushed his legitimacy as a candidate. WikiLeaks’ release shows that it was seen as in Clinton’s best interest to run against Trump in the general election. The memo, sent to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) also reveals the DNC and Clinton campaign were strategizing on behalf of their candidate at the very beginning of the primaries. “We think our goals mirror those of the DNC,” stated the memo, attached to the email under the title “muddying the waters.”

The memo named Trump, Sen. Ted Cruz, and Ben Carson as wanted candidates. “We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to them seriously,” the memo noted.

Clinton was widely presumed to be the Democratic presidential nominee long before the primaries began. This assumption was held by the mainstream media and the Democratic Party leadership. Expecting Clinton to be the nominee, the DNC and Clinton campaign developed strategies for the general election.

In June, hacker Guccifer 2.0 released an opposition research dossier on Trump, dated December 19, 2015. Coincidentally, no other opposition research dossiers were released by Guccifer 2.0 from the DNC hacks.

It was in the best interest of Clinton, and therefore the Democratic Party, that Trump was the Republican presidential nominee. Polls indicated Sen. Rubio, Gov. Kasich, or almost any other establishment Republican would likely beat Clinton in a general election. Even Cruz, who is reviled by most Republicans, would still maintain the ability to rally the Republican Partyâ€"especially its wealthy donorsâ€"around his candidacy. Clinton and Democrats expected the FBI investigation into her private email server would serve as a major obstacle to Clinton’s candidacy, and the public’s familiarity with her scandals and flip-flopping political record put her at a disadvantage against a newcomer. Donald Trump solved these problems.

More at

http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/

We didn't need Wikileaks to understand that Trump had the worst chance of any Republican candidate in the primaries to beat Clinton. That the Clinton camp understood this is no surprise. Republican voters have only themselves to blame for what will happen on Election Day.

136 or 142

Quote from: mikuthing01 on October 11, 2016, 06:20:36 PM
Hill shills on suicide watch

I suspect you've never followed a Presidential election before.

Lord Grantham

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/business/buffett-calls-trumps-bluff-and-releases-his-tax-return.html?_r=0

“Many of her friends took bigger deductions,” Mr. Trump said. “Warren Buffett took a massive deduction.”

Actually, he did not.

“I have paid federal income tax every year since 1944,” Mr. Buffett wrote in a letter released Monday.

Mr. Buffett did concede that his tax payments have, at times, been much smaller. In 1944, he admitted, when he was just 13, “I owed only $7 in tax that year.”


Trump BTFO by a 90 year old man


Donald Noory

Dumb yahoo at Pence rally calls for revolution if Trump loses. It must be so embarrassing to support Trump. Well, she is from Iowa, which stands for Idiots Out Walking Around. They did vote for Cruz in the primary, after all.  Looks like she's wearing some form of tinfoil cap.

http://www.nbcnews.com/card/pence-revolution-rally-goer-dont-say-n664776

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: Donald Noory on October 11, 2016, 08:21:38 PM
Dumb yahoo at Pence rally calls for revolution if Trump loses. It must be so embarrassing to support Trump. Well, she is from Iowa, which stands for Idiots Out Walking Around. They did vote for Cruz in the primary, after all.  Looks like she's wearing some form of tinfoil cap.

http://www.nbcnews.com/card/pence-revolution-rally-goer-dont-say-n664776

Iowa in recent history is more a blue state than a red one.

albrecht

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on October 11, 2016, 09:35:58 PM
Iowa in recent history is more a blue state than a red one.
The farm subsidies and ethanol subsidies that some Republicans rail against hurt them there. Also lots of illegals and Hispanics moving there to work in packing plants although I'm not sure if they vote as much as they do in other States more adjacent to the open-border.

starrmtn001

LIVE Stream: Donald Trump Rally in Panama City, FL 10/11/16.



https://youtu.be/siOPWgVuaHY

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: albrecht on October 11, 2016, 09:38:17 PM
The farm subsidies and ethanol subsidies that some Republicans rail against hurt them there. Also lots of illegals and Hispanics moving there to work in packing plants although I'm not sure if they vote as much as they do in other States more adjacent to the open-border.

It was definitely the farm subsidies at least until the last decade.

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 11, 2016, 05:36:56 PM
You should be able to see why I'm not sure this is a genuine leak.

Yeah, I know. I saw that when I read it.  Maybe it was the  newspaper writer's fault.  I don't know where the actual leaked email is.

WOTR

Quote from: Lord Grantham on October 11, 2016, 07:19:15 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/business/buffett-calls-trumps-bluff-and-releases-his-tax-return.html?_r=0

Trump BTFO by a 90 year old man
Thanks for the laugh... and the reminder of why I kind of like Buffet.  The man has always shown a touch of class and compassion...

"As it turns out, the charitable contributions that Mr. Buffett did deduct from his income make up just a tiny portion of the more than $2.85 billion he donated to charity last year, he said. The reason is that the tax code limits the amount that an individual can claim in charitable deductions. Mr. Buffett, 86, has pledged to give most of his $65 billion fortune away."

Meanwhile, daddy Trump can barely manage to part with giving a dime to charity.

theONE

Quote from: WOTR on October 11, 2016, 11:18:10 PM
Thanks for the laugh... and the reminder of why I kind of like Buffet.  The man has always shown a touch of class and compassion...

"As it turns out, the charitable contributions that Mr. Buffett did deduct from his income make up just a tiny portion of the more than $2.85 billion he donated to charity last year, he said. The reason is that the tax code limits the amount that an individual can claim in charitable deductions. Mr. Buffett, 86, has pledged to give most of his $65 billion fortune away."

Meanwhile, daddy Trump can barely manage to part with giving a dime to charity.

Proper way of giving to charity is not to advertise about it to the whole World.
Perhaps that's what Trump is doing, I guess that never crossed your mind...hmmm

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Lord Grantham on October 11, 2016, 07:19:15 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/business/buffett-calls-trumps-bluff-and-releases-his-tax-return.html?_r=0

“Many of her friends took bigger deductions,” Mr. Trump said. “Warren Buffett took a massive deduction.”

Actually, he did not.

“I have paid federal income tax every year since 1944,” Mr. Buffett wrote in a letter released Monday.

Mr. Buffett did concede that his tax payments have, at times, been much smaller. In 1944, he admitted, when he was just 13, “I owed only $7 in tax that year.”


Trump BTFO by a 90 year old man

Well, if Warren Buffett said it, it must be true. Why would one of the richest men in the world lie?!  ::)

WOTR

Quote from: theONE on October 11, 2016, 11:23:17 PM
Proper way of giving to charity is not to advertise about it to the whole World.
Perhaps that's what Trump is doing, I guess that never crossed your mind...hmmm
Indeed.  He is know for his humility the quiet manner in which he gives of himself.  If it were not for his foundation and the paltry sum he gave to it along with using it for his own piggy bank (oh, and his grandiose contribution to veterans at the start of the campaign) you theory might hold water.

cosman

Buffett is fond of saying his tax rate is lower than his secretary’s. He does not publicize his tax returns, but for the tax year 2010, he paid $6.9 million on taxable income of $39.8 million, according to partial disclosures he made in 2011.

What is astounding about those numbers is not the 17.3% tax rate, but that Buffett’s $39.8 million of taxable income is only about 0.05% of his reported net worth ($71 billion according to Forbes, which put him third on its list of the 400 wealthiest people in the world for 2015).

Proportionately, that’s like someone with an ever-expanding net worth, currently $10 million, reporting taxable income of only $5,000 and paying a federal tax bill of only $900.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: cosman on October 11, 2016, 11:40:00 PM
Buffett is fond of saying his tax rate is lower than his secretary’s. He does not publicize his tax returns, but for the tax year 2010, he paid $6.9 million on taxable income of $39.8 million, according to partial disclosures he made in 2011.

What is astounding about those numbers is not the 17.3% tax rate, but that Buffett’s $39.8 million of taxable income is only about 0.05% of his reported net worth ($71 billion according to Forbes, which put him third on its list of the 400 wealthiest people in the world for 2015).

Proportionately, that’s like someone with an ever-expanding net worth, currently $10 million, reporting taxable income of only $5,000 and paying a federal tax bill of only $900.

Exactly! It's all a shell game for these guys and their accountants and lawyers.  ::)

theONE

Quote from: WOTR on October 11, 2016, 11:37:34 PM
Indeed.  He is know for his humility the quiet manner in which he gives of himself.  If it were not for his foundation and the paltry sum he gave to it along with using it for his own piggy bank (oh, and his grandiose contribution to veterans at the start of the campaign) you theory might hold water.
OK, since Trump is no good....
what's your take on Hillary & Bill, the Clinton's charity treatment of people of Haiti.
I'm sure you watched videos of people accusing them of stealing ton's of money [donations] from people of Haiti.

"How the Clinton Foundation Ripped Off Haiti"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlS4SimQfv8

cosman

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 11, 2016, 11:42:27 PM
Exactly! It's all a shell game for these guys and their accountants and lawyers.  ::)
His company, Berkshire pays him the $39 mil to report as taxable. all the while
Berkshire, cooking separate books, through corporate loopholes, pay only
around 2%..

WOTR

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 11, 2016, 11:34:05 PM
Well, if Warren Buffett said it, it must be true. Why would one of the richest men in the world lie?!  ::)
Why respond to people who have already decided?

Rather than bore you with "could be's" and "possibly's", I will just point you to the SEC doccument where he donated over 2.5 BILLION dollars in stock in 2016 alone. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/315090/000119312516648302/d225604dsc13da.htm  Feel free to peruse it and critique it.  there are others going back many years.  And yes, that is on the SEC website and was his filing.

As to his income- you may or may not know that he requested that the Berkshire board cap his compensation at $600 000 per year.  Unlike the other greedy SOB CEO's, he did not want a 10 million dollar bonus.  Most of his net worth is in stock (shockingly, Berkshire Hathaway.)  If you hold stock, you will know that you are not taxed on it year over year.  Just when you sell it.  So yes- if he did not cash in stock, he would not have a massive income to report.

Keep digging and arguing.  But at least look at what the man has donated to date, and what he pledges to in the future (hint- he is saying 99% of his wealth will be gone before he dies or upon his death.)

I know if you idolize a man who gives nothing and wants it all (let's say somebody like Trump) then the fact that a billionaire would give away damn near all of his fortune and not demand a 10 million dollar bonus annually for building one of the most successful funds may come as a shock.  But there are people out there in place like Omaha who do not want a golden toilet to shit in while millions cannot feed themselves.

WOTR

Quote from: theONE on October 11, 2016, 11:46:10 PM
OK, since Trump is no good....
what's your take on Hillary & Bill, the Clinton's charity treatment of people of Haiti.
I'm sure you watched videos of people accusing them of stealing ton's of money [donations] from people of Haiti.

Of course they did... They are shit as well.

Next you are going to shock me by insinuating that Cheney profited to the tune of billions from the Iraq war while he was in office?



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