Minneapolis/St.paul riots

[albrecht]

Alright, I’ll take a tilt at the windmill.  I use the term realpolitik (the k at the end is because it is a German term) means using circumstances and factors instead of ideology.  If used correctly it can be used used to remove the “am not, are too” out of political debate.  Essentially I’m a pragmatist and that’s why I won’t play schoolyard shouting.  Now it is your turn to explain how that makes me a communist.  Not your definition of anyone that disagrees or doesn’t see eye to eye with you.   In fact communism is anti realpolitik because of how ideological it is.

There were/was lots of debates within communism and various Communist Parties with regard to ideology, practice, expansion vs localism-  'socialism in one country,' as an example, and a lot of it comes down to basically 'Realpolitik' (German nouns are always capitalized) in accepting grain from  running-dog capitalists, or going home and licking wounds after some failed proxy war, or purging the ranks, erasing fellow travelers from history, accepting some reforms, and etc.

[Dr. MD MD]

Before 1853?  I answered your question, please answer mine.

Like al said, it may have been discussed before Kissinger but was only effectively enacted by his policies in the Nixon admin in this nation. So, America better before or after?

[albrecht]

Oh, fuck off, you silly sod. You know you were talking about the right to vote in a US election. If you want a one-world government - like most sensible people - perhaps you'll get your chance to have your say on global affairs ere long. I don't know if the mandate would run to beauty contests though, I'd have to run that by Soros and my Beijing overlords.

What US election? Presidential only? Congress? Or State and local? Can I vote as a Senator or Congressman? Hey- I think I'm going to vote on the Supreme Court, why should they get all the fun to make laws! Everyone should be allowed to vote! Make everything a public referendum where anybody, everywhere can vote on any issue!

I'm not sure in theory if a One-World Government is even good but, I guess, one could make a theoretical case. But not the version apparently you, and they want.

[Dr. MD MD]

I answered your original question and even answerered this new one in my prior response.  For the love of fluffy puppies, think and answer my question, or be proven solid not just dense.

I’m asking you, since you seem to think we’re politically sympatico, do you think this nation has gotten better or worse since RealPolitik became policy with Kissinger? Do you think we’ve become more communistic or more constitutional? Your turn.

[whoozit]

I’m asking you, since you seem to think we’re politically sympatico, do you think this nation has gotten better or worse since RealPolitik became policy with Kissinger? Do you think we’ve become more communistic or more constitutional? Your turn.

Nope, never said politically simpatico, I never voted for Obama, nor did I vote for McCain.  No answers until my outstanding question is answered.  This is a purely quid pro quo relationship.

[Dr. MD MD]

Nope, never said politically simpatico, I never voted for Obama, nor did I vote for McCain.  No answers until my outstanding question is answered.  This is a purely quid pro quo relationship.

OK, I’ll try. Back me up though. Which question?

BTW, I never voted for McCain nor would I have ever even remotely considered doing so and only Obama the first time. Trying to bastardize my record is what faggy libs who got nowhere else to go do. I think you’re better than that.

[whoozit]

OK, I’ll try. Back me up though. Which question?

BTW, I never voted for McCain nor would I have ever even remotely considered doing so and only Obama the first time. Trying to bastardize my record is what faggy libs who got nowhere else to go do. I think you’re better than that.

Alright, I’ll take a tilt at the windmill.  I use the term realpolitik (the k at the end is because it is a German term) means using circumstances and factors instead of ideology.  If used correctly it can be used used to remove the “am not, are too” out of political debate.  Essentially I’m a pragmatist and that’s why I won’t play schoolyard shouting.  Now it is your turn to explain how that makes me a communist.  Not your definition of anyone that disagrees or doesn’t see eye to eye with you.   In fact communism is anti realpolitik because of how ideological it is. 

I defined how I used the term realpolitik and asked how that could possibly cause me to be called a communist. 

[albrecht]

Take a minute to think what the nation was like before RealPolitik and what it’s become since. Then tell why anyone should still consider it relevant?

Aside from a few great outliers most of our history has been Realpolitk- which is just politics in my mind tempered with some reality and assessment. I admire idealists and martyrs but it is difficult and not practical in most circumstances, it usually comes down to how far to compromise and attempt a situation in which both, or more than both, win. Not everything is a zero-sum game. Interestingly some of the advocates, even of various total-war type of doctrines, want to avoid it and would rather politics solve disputes.

[Dr. MD MD]

I defined how I used the term realpolitik and asked how that could possibly cause me to be called a communist.

I’m not necessarily say you are, only that RealPolitik is or at least has been used to that effect in this nation. Do you disagree?

[Dr. MD MD]

Aside from a few great outliers most of our history has been Realpolitk- which is just politics in my mind tempered with some reality and assessment. I admire idealists and martyrs but it is difficult and not practical in most circumstances, it usually comes down to how far to compromise and attempt a situation in which both, or more than both, win. Not everything is a zero-sum game. Interestingly some of the advocates, even of various total-war type of doctrines, want to avoid it and would rather politics solve disputes.

Most of it’s compromises have seemed to push us and the world in a much more globalist direction. China was propped up at our expense and are now a real threat, not just to us but globally. For years people like Kissinger have been saying that the CCP is what we should be modelling ourselves on. Explain to me how this has benefited us?

[whoozit]

I’m not necessarily say you are, only that RealPolitik is or at least has been used to that effect in this nation. Do you disagree?

By the definition I used I strongly disagree.  Do you understand why I say realpolitik is by definition the antithesis of communism?  I’m not sure what your definition is because all you’ve said is Kissinger.  If you lay out what you mean I can give you an answer in light of your meaning.  But rather than force you to do so, I can agree that that I think that for the majority of the last 50 years or so the country has not been moving in a good direction.

[WOTR]

And he considers himself some sort of shitposting edgelord too. Nurse really needs to adjust his medication.

A nurse adjusting meds? Why not an orderly or a janitor? I suppose this goes a long way to explaining what has happened to England.

You mean like people staying late to work overtime? :

If there is one thing that I have learned, it is that the commitment of public employees knows no bounds. Staying through the night to complete a job while skipping lunch and coffee breaks is SOP when there is work to be done. Hell, these are dedicated employees who were just doing their jobs.*

*I'm pretty certain they really were going to clean up for the night. While sweeping the floor they ran across some suitcases containing ballots and realized that it was their moral duty to count them before retiring to their comfortable beds. Hence the overtime worked (and likely not claimed to be paid out.) These are the kinds of people that America needs- the true, unsung public servant hero who will always go above and beyond expectations and see any job through.

I know that there was a line in this song praising the dedication of the public servant poll worker willing to work through the night... Too bad it was cut and replaced by thanking the "Pittsburgh steel mill worker" 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-G2J3RzURA

[Dr. MD MD]

By the definition I used I strongly disagree.  Do you understand why I say realpolitik is by definition the antithesis of communism?  I’m not sure what your definition is because all you’ve said is Kissinger.  If you lay out what you mean I can give you an answer in light of your meaning.  But rather than force you to do so, I can agree that that I think that for the majority of the last 50 years or so the country has not been moving in a good direction.

RealPolitik was used to justify us having to not just negotiate with communist dictators but do active business with them as well. I remember Bush 1 getting a lot of mileage out of that one and people really seemed to buy it back then but I think that was just the inherent guilt of a generation whose wealth was not really earned so much as granted to them by a post war boom speaking. Anyway, here we are after ALL the RealPolitiking by these Rockefeller funded globalist stooges who’ve used it to enrich themselves while virtually bankrupting the nation. You must be using a RADICALLY different definition of that word than how it’s actually played out in reality.

[WOTR]

I’v  always loved that phrase because I always picture someone swinging a cat by the tail even though I understand the origins of the word.

[Dr. MD MD]

A nurse adjusting meds? Why not an orderly or a janitor? I suppose this goes a long way to explaining what has happened to England.

If there is one thing that I have learned, it is that the commitment of public employees knows no bounds. Staying through the night to complete a job while skipping lunch and coffee breaks is SOP when there is work to be done. Hell, these are dedicated employees who were just doing their jobs.*

*I'm pretty certain they really were going to clean up for the night. While sweeping the floor they ran across some suitcases containing ballots and realized that it was their moral duty to count them before retiring to their comfortable beds. Hence the overtime worked (and likely not claimed to be paid out.) These are the kinds of people that America needs- the true, unsung public servant hero who will always go above and beyond expectations and see any job through.

I know that there was a line in this song praising the dedication of the public servant poll worker willing to work through the night... Too bad it was cut and replaced by thanking the "Pittsburgh steel mill worker" 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-G2J3RzURA

[WOTR]

I was concerned that it would come across as insincere and that you would tell me that you detected sarcasm in my post. I'm glad to see that was not the case. 

[Dr. MD MD]

I was concerned that it would come across as insincere and that you would tell me that you detected sarcasm in my post. I'm glad to see that was not the case. 

It was sarcasm properly directed. 

[whoozit]

RealPolitik was used to justify us having to not just negotiate with communist dictators but do active business with them as well. I remember Bush 1 getting a lot of mileage out of that one and people really seemed to buy it back then but I think that was just the inherent guilt of a generation whose wealth was not really earned so much as granted to them by a post war boom speaking. Anyway, here we are after ALL the RealPolitiking by these Rockefeller funded globalist stooges who’ve used it to enrich themselves while virtually bankrupting the nation. You must be using a RADICALLY different definition of that word than how it’s actually played out in reality.

Not to be mean but are you simple?  I gave you the definition I used.  If you are using any other definition you are not listening and further conversation is pointless.  Perhaps if we apply the original definition I so carefully laid out and call it plaid politics, where ideology cannot influence political decisions we can continue a meaningful discussion.  You are using a different definition and willfully ignoring what I am saying.  You are using the tactic of changing the meanings of words and we are wasting our time.

https://youtu.be/xpAvcGcEc0k

[Dr. MD MD]

Not to be mean but are you simple?  I gave you the definition I used.  If you are using any other definition you are not listening and further conversation is pointless.  Perhaps if we apply the original definition I so carefully laid out and call it plaid politics, where ideology cannot influence political decisions we can continue a meaningful discussion.  You are using a different definition and willfully ignoring what I am saying.  You are using the tactic of changing the meanings of words and we are wasting our time.

It’s the difference between an academic definition and a realistic one. I’m talking about actual history. I’m not sure what you’re on about because the net result of this strategy has been abysmal for almost anyone but China and the global elite class. So, I call bullshit on the no ideology definition. RealPolitiks effectively = China winning, USA and pretty much everyone else losing.

[Dr. MD MD]

Does it not make anyone suspicious that the same liberals that used to call Kissinger a war criminal now embrace both him and his RealPolitik?





I dunno, I guess I think it was probably better when we actually had some moral standards and would not do business with organ harvesting dictators.

[pate]

I answered your original question and even answerered this new one in my prior response.  For the love of fluffy puppies, think and answer my question, or be proven solid not just dense.

You misspelt "stolid" there, whoozy.

-p

[albrecht]

Most of it’s compromises have seemed to push us and the world in a much more globalist direction. China was propped up at our expense and are now a real threat, not just to us but globally. For years people like Kissinger have been saying that the CCP is what we should be modelling ourselves on. Explain to me how this has benefited us?

There were a lot of benefits. Albeit some short-term. Less costly products, though often cheaper. Stock market gains. Sales of agriculural products, many we won't use even- like chicken feet. Hollywood BOOMTOWN with a yuuge new market. Coal sales. Cheaper production costs. Money into schools and investment. Little did most know it was a ploy, a war plan, some did. But ignored because quarterly profits, 401Ks, and such. Perot, Buchanan, all the Birchters knew and said but...

[Dr. MD MD]

There were a lot of benefits. Albeit some short-term. Less costly products, though often cheaper. Stock market gains. Sales of agriculural products, many we won't use even- like chicken feet. Hollywood BOOMTOWN with a yuuge new market. Coal sales. Cheaper production costs. Money into schools and investment. Little did most know it was a ploy, a war plan, some did. But ignored because quarterly profits, 401Ks, and such. Perot, Buchanan, all the Birchters knew and said but...

...either no one listened or they openly mocked it as “paranoid.” I know.

The Chinese curse is coming true in more ways than one. We are living in interesting and exciting times. Just think of all the billions of dollars spent, people assassinated, etc. to make this globalist wet dream come true but just oridinary people using their God given rational faculty could easily defeat it...IF they use it. The trailers look amazing! I can’t wait to see the whole thing.

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZMOSlVXW4I

[SredniVashtar]

I dunno, I guess I think it was probably better when we actually had some moral standards and would not do business with organ harvesting dictators.

When Khashoggi was butchered because he disagreed with the Saudi regime Trump refused to do anything, citing the money the Saudis spent on American arms. That's as cynical as it gets. The US refused to accept more than a small number of Jewish refugees fleeing Nazi Germany. In fact a lot of you rather liked Hitler and wanted to stay out of the war. You only talk about moral standards when it suits you.

[Dr. MD MD]

When Khashoggi was butchered because he disagreed with the Saudi regime Trump refused to do anything, citing the money the Saudis spent on American arms. That's as cynical as it gets. The US refused to accept more than a small number of Jewish refugees fleeing Nazi Germany. In fact a lot of you rather liked Hitler and wanted to stay out of the war. You only talk about moral standards when it suits you.

We may have picked up some bad habits from our colonizers.

[WOTR]

When Khashoggi was butchered because he disagreed with the Saudi regime Trump refused to do anything, citing the money the Saudis spent on American arms. That's as cynical as it gets. The US refused to accept more than a small number of Jewish refugees fleeing Nazi Germany. In fact a lot of you rather liked Hitler and wanted to stay out of the war. You only talk about moral standards when it suits you.

Lest we forget the generous offer of England to the Jews in WWII. Hell, you even took 230 of the 1000 Jews form the St. Louis after Cuba, America, and Canada refused them. A very generous offer. Of course, you then demanded that a cash guarantee amounting to roughly $125,000 in 1930's dollars (worth around 2.5 million today) be posted before accepting a few of them... And still sent hundreds back to Europe.

But I suppose it is the self-righteous thought that counts.

[WOTR]

We may have picked up some bad habits from our colonizers.

Good to see Hitler finally make a triumphant return to Bellgab. No thread here would be complete without...*

*To be clear, I realize that it was not you who brought up the fine chap.

[Dr. MD MD]

Good to see Hitler finally make a triumphant return to Bellgab. No thread here would be complete without...*

*To be clear, I realize that it was not you who brought up the fine chap.

Yeah, it’s always rich when the Brits accuse us of being Nazi sympathizers when it’s always been those stupid royal Fabians who’ve been pushing for global socialism and are still doing so through China. It’s their pathetic attempt to not just undo our revolution to seperate from them but to rewind it back before the Magna Carta. :

[SredniVashtar]

Lest we forget the generous offer of England to the Jews in WWII. Hell, you even took 230 of the 1000 Jews form the St. Louis after Cuba, America, and Canada refused them. A very generous offer. Of course, you then demanded that a cash guarantee amounting to roughly $125,000 in 1930's dollars (worth around 2.5 million today) be posted before accepting a few of them... And still sent hundreds back to Europe.

But I suppose it is the self-righteous thought that counts.

I don't recall being the one doing the moral posturing. Don't forget that the Jews got their own country because of us and then showed their gratitude by killing as many of us as possible.

We weren't exactly flush with cash back then either. In fact we were broke thanks to the Americans, who cleared out all our gold reserves before selling us some lousy old destroyers.