President Donald J. Trump

[albrecht]

Its fine. When Trump has split families up and the US has no immigrants, the locals will pick up the slack when the firms are advertising jobs for cheap wages. The same way Mexican built Fords and GM vehicles will be sold at the same price when they're built in Detroit paying Mexican wages to American workers. Using American steel made for the same cost as Chinese steel.

Incidentally, a new report for tourism and business travel to the US since Trump took office is taking a hit. Business travel is vital to the US, it supports hotels, cafes, restaurants, airports, taxi firms, car rental. Unintended consequences.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/north-america/united-states/articles/us-travel-industry-has-lost-185-million-since-trump-took-office-and-things-are-likely-to-get-worse/

https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/travel/2017/02/14/trump-ban-causes-tourism-drop-and-industry-fears-lasting-effect/yzMAVzeLvqywP8gEekoFsL/story.html

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2017/feb/28/us-tourism-experiences-a-trump-slump

$185 million so far.

Who said US has/won't have any immigrants?  You are a real weirdo. Like any country, including yours, the issue is legal immigration. VISA programs, worker programs, background checks, etc. When a person just visits your country we get our passport stamped with "no recourse to public funds." Basic, common-sense. If you don't have a border you don't have a country, much less a nation. You are a weird dude. But BG is good with that and like we say in the People's Republic of Austin "keep it weird."

[Yorkshire pud]

Who said US has/won't have any immigrants?  You are a real weirdo. Like any country, including yours, the issue is legal immigration. VISA programs, worker programs, background checks, etc. When a person just visits your country we get our passport stamped with "no recourse to public funds." Basic, common-sense. If you don't have a border you don't have a country, much less a nation. You are a weird dude. But BG is good with that and like we say in the People's Republic of Austin "keep it weird."

Oh you might get immigrants, but why would anyone (other than spouses) willfully travel to a country where suspicion has been introduced as an appropriate greeting? Trump spoke absolute utter bullshit (what else eh?) when he said that he'd introduce 'extreme vetting'; Thete already IS extreme vetting. Has been for years.

And he's pissed off America's two closest allies. UK and Germany.

[albrecht]

Oh you might get immigrants, but why would anyone (other than spouses) willfully travel to a country where suspicion has been introduced as an appropriate greeting? Trump spoke absolute utter bullshit (what else eh?) when he said that he'd introduce 'extreme vetting'; Thete already IS extreme vetting. Has been for years.

And he's pissed off America's two closest allies. UK and Germany.

For work or investment purposes. Or just travel or something new. I've traveled many places that ask for an ID or even- gasp- have police or security even with guns -gasp-, even AK variants. -Faint- You are weird. Even your country demands ID cards and stamps on my passport, unlike most other countries, a specific insult implying that the traveler might be looking for "public funds."

As far as I know Trumps various travel bans or vetting doesn't single out UK or Germany (though considering the number of radical Muslims living there this maybe should be reconsidered.) I'm more concerned though about the non air-craft or vessel traffic over the open-border than the Brits or Krauts visiting. I know Europe, especially France, has taken some hits on travel tourism also recently. We all have thanks to the Muslims and also our sometimes over-reaction response. (I think the US way over reacted and is still not reacting properly.)

[Lt.Uhura]

Oh you might get immigrants, but why would anyone (other than spouses) willfully travel to a country where suspicion has been introduced as an appropriate greeting? Trump spoke absolute utter bullshit (what else eh?) when he said that he'd introduce 'extreme vetting'; Thete already IS extreme vetting. Has been for years.

And he's pissed off America's two closest allies. UK and Germany.

From the comforts of his own home albrecht and others like him don't seem to get that there are not enough farm workers--now. At the rate this administration is bumbling along (in between golf vacations), it will be years before some kind of farm workers visa program is inacted which won't help this growing season. Right now they're too busy keeping people out to think about anything else. Still there's plenty of Americans unemployed who need work. Oh...wait.

[21st Century Man]

From the comforts of his own home albrecht and others like him don't seem to get that there are not enough farm workers--now. At the rate this administration is bumbling along (in between golf vacations), it will be years before some kind of farm workers visa program is inacted which won't help this growing season. Right now they're too busy keeping people out to think about anything else. Still there's plenty of Americans unemployed who need work. Oh...wait.

What albrecht is saying is let the immigrants come here legally and not illegally to work the fields.  Is that too much to ask?

[Lt.Uhura]

The Trump family is expected to arrive in Aspen late Saturday night or early Sunday morning, along with about 100 Secret Service agents, a source said.
"It's a big gathering," the source said.
Another Aspen area law enforcement source said the Trump visitors to Aspen will include Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump and their families. That source, however, said the number of agents in town will likely be quite a bit less than 100.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/1645107

His aides said he was in meetings all day...wearing his white golf glove evidently.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/1645072

[Lt.Uhura]

What albrecht is saying is let the immigrants come here legally and not illegally to work the fields.  Is that too much to ask?

Of the Trump administration? Apparently so.

[21st Century Man]

Of the Trump administration? Apparently so.

<sigh>

[albrecht]

From the comforts of his own home albrecht and others like him don't seem to get that there are not enough farm workers--now. At the rate this administration is bumbling along (in between golf vacations), it will be years before some kind of farm workers visa program is inacted which won't help this growing season. Right now they're too busy keeping people out to think about anything else. Still there's plenty of Americans unemployed who need work. Oh...wait.

Actually I've seen it with some remodels and in local stores. Lots of "help wanted" signs. And trabajeros who show up late or don't because bigger, better jobs. Now, not all are illegal. But I find it funny that illegals bitch considering what they get paid (here for non-skilled, manual labor) is about $20/hr often including lunch. More if you can work a Bobcat, do good tile/stone work, etc. The problem is now, in part due to a, somewhat stronger border but more due to the corrupt and violence in Mexico it is not the workers coming over but the workers and a brood of kids. That the taxpayer needs to educate, healthcare, etc. And the criminals. But even the hardworking ones (and they do work- though like here the younger ones are not as hard a worker as the older) now with family here. Lots of costs. Interestingly the school system loves it because they get money based on sheer enrollment and also grants, moneys, etc from Feds based on ESOL and low-income numbers (this might change with Trump's budget.)

[Lt.Uhura]

Actually............................

? 

Farm laborers = Fruits 🍑🍒. Vegetables 🌽🥕. Wine 🍷.

[albrecht]

What albrecht is saying is let the immigrants come here legally and not illegally to work the fields.  Is that too much to ask?

People like Lt.Uthura prefer low-wage, and often unsafe working conditions, for farm workers, construction, etc apparently. Exploitable people who will work more cheaply once they have run the gauntlet of privation, rape, and organized crime and cartels to get over here will work cheap, won't report violations, and are expendable. Open borders and illegals are great for this stuff.

[albrecht]

? 

Farm laborers = Fruits 🍑🍒. Vegetables 🌽🥕. Wine 🍷.

I say maybe a decade, if that. So many jobs are going to go away. Which could be seen as a good thing. BUT when throwing a border open and dealing with lose of jobs for existing population is, likely, not a good thing. Already some places, like Switzerland- which doesn't really suffer from a size or much of a "diversity" problem, they are, actually diverse but have a system of localism so that the cultures don't (recently) conflict too much and are limiting the outside "diversity"- thinking about a basic income system or something. (It was voted down.)

Note "right-wing" fake-news sites:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-20/robot-crop-pickers-limit-loss-of-u-s-farm-workers-to-trump-wall
http://www.agalert.com/story/?id=554
http://www.economist.com/node/15048711

[The King of Kings]

How is that our little Mexican shrimp JesusJuice was calling Meister_000 a "disingenuous piece of shit"

Mexican shrimp is best shrimp!

[Lt.Uhura]

People like Lt.Uthura prefer low-wage, and often unsafe working conditions, for farm workers, construction, etc apparently. Exploitable people who will work more cheaply once they have run the gauntlet of privation, rape, and organized crime and cartels to get over here will work cheap, won't report violations, and are expendable. Open borders and illegals are great for this stuff.

You take up pages and pages of BG with your obsessive anti-immigrant hatefulness, and now you expect us to believe you suddenly care about the welfare of farm workers?  Haha...FAIL. Your bigotry toward immigrants doesn't allow you to make rational comments on, or comprehend the complexities of the situation. You are the poster boy of Trump supporters who fell for his hateful Mexicans are criminals, murderers, rapists rhetoric. That wine you're drinking must leave a bitter taste in your mouth.

[albrecht]

You take up pages and pages of BG with your obsessive anti-immigrant hatefulness, and now you expect us to believe you suddenly care about the welfare of farm workers?  Haha...FAIL. Your bigotry toward immigrants doesn't allow you to make rational comments on, or comprehend the complexities of the situation. You are the poster boy of Trump supporters who fell for his hateful Mexicans are criminals, murderers, rapists rhetoric. That wine you're drinking must leave a bitter taste in your mouth.

I care about farm workers (and other workers.) I also care about our citizens, though, of course, much of the violence inflicted by illegals and the criminals who traffic them are against other illegals. In this case, so typical, I'm unsure of the victim (due to age the and crime the victim's particulars are not released.)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/two-rockville-high-students-arrested-after-allegedly-raping-14-year-old-at-school/2017/03/17/a31cf300-0b30-11e7-924c-25b7f4fdf51d_story.html?utm_term=.5abde0715ebd

"A 14-year-old girl was pushed into a boys bathroom at Rockville High School on Thursday morning and raped by two other students during school hours, according to Montgomery County District Court records filed Friday.

Police arrested two ninth-graders, Henry E. Sanchez, 18, and Jose O. Montano, 17, who appeared in court Friday and were ordered held without bond. "

ps: I never drink....wine. baaahaaa. 

[The King of Kings]

Not really Trump related, but funny as fuck.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRFckPyNHJs

[Lt.Uhura]

I care about farm workers (and other workers.) I also care about our citizens, though, of course, much of the violence inflicted by illegals and the criminals who traffic them are against other illegals. In this case, so typical, I'm unsure of the victim (due to age the and crime the victim's particulars are not released.)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/two-rockville-high-students-arrested-after-allegedly-raping-14-year-old-at-school/2017/03/17/a31cf300-0b30-11e7-924c-25b7f4fdf51d_story.html?utm_term=.5abde0715ebd

"A 14-year-old girl was pushed into a boys bathroom at Rockville High School on Thursday morning and raped by two other students during school hours, according to Montgomery County District Court records filed Friday.

Police arrested two ninth-graders, Henry E. Sanchez, 18, and Jose O. Montano, 17, who appeared in court Friday and were ordered held without bond. "

ps: I never drink....wine. baaahaaa. 

Anecdotal headlines cherrypicked for the Spanish/Latino surnames of the criminals.

http://thehill.com/latino/324607-reports-find-that-immigrants-commit-less-crime-than-us-born-citizens

[The King of Kings]

You take up pages and pages of BG with your obsessive anti-immigrant hatefulness, and now you expect us to believe you suddenly care about the welfare of farm workers?  Haha...FAIL. Your bigotry toward immigrants doesn't allow you to make rational comments on, or comprehend the complexities of the situation. You are the poster boy of Trump supporters who fell for his hateful Mexicans are criminals, murderers, rapists rhetoric. That wine you're drinking must leave a bitter taste in your mouth.

You are a fucking idiot if you think immigration or illegal immigration is a complex issue.

We have had completely lax enforcement of illegal immigrants for two reasons, corporations want a robust and easily exploitable workforce to keep wages down and pay these people below market value for their labor which distresses the labor pool in other areas keeping wages down in almost every industry, and it has become a political issue with Democrats trying to cultivate votes and create a new consistent base of Latino voters, and the Republicans using "illegal immigration" as a rallying cry to get white America to vote for them. 

Neither corporations, or either political party had any intention of stopping illegal immigration.  That is why it has taken someone like Donald Trump to do something about it.

When you talk about wage gap, wealthy inequality, high unemployment in the black communities, stagnant wages, and adult children living with their parents into their late 20's, it is all based around 13 million illegal immigrants being here, working illegally.

I don't think anyone is anti-immigrant here, they are just anti-illegal immigrant.

[PB the Deplorable]

From the comforts of his own home albrecht and others like him don't seem to get that there are not enough farm workers--now. At the rate this administration is bumbling along (in between golf vacations), it will be years before some kind of farm workers visa program is inacted which won't help this growing season. Right now they're too busy keeping people out to think about anything else. Still there's plenty of Americans unemployed who need work. Oh...wait.

No one ever said we don't want immigrants.  No one ever said we don't want seasonal farm workers.

What we want is for the border to be controlled, and illegal aliens deported - starting with the criminals, cartel members and gang members among them.  Hard concepts to understand, I know, especially when it's in the Democrats interest to not make that distinction, and to continue the race baiting. 

For those paying attention, note the Fake News Media somehow never makes this distinction either.

[The King of Kings]

Anecdotal headlines cherrypicked for the Spanish/Latino surnames of the criminals.

http://thehill.com/latino/324607-reports-find-that-immigrants-commit-less-crime-than-us-born-citizens

Once again you are a fucking idiot.

Most of the people who legally immigrate to America are the best of their country.  Of course they are going to commit crimes less.  The higher up you are in society and the better educated the lower criminal behavior exists.

Illegal immigrants aren't the best of someone's country nor are they highly educated.

Secondly, being here illegally is actually a crime, does this link you provide take that into account when weighing their data of "immigrants commit less crime than US born citizens"?

I highly doubt it.

[albrecht]

Anecdotal headlines cherrypicked for the Spanish/Latino surnames of the criminals.

http://thehill.com/latino/324607-reports-find-that-immigrants-commit-less-crime-than-us-born-citizens

No, cherry picked for their illegal status, not "latino" status, which can be whiter than me or blacker than coal depending on the country from which they came. 

The point is if you were that 14 year old girl would you be happy that your rape happened because some illegals, years older than you, were in your grade. All well and good about statistics, but I'm sure she would be happy to learn that those fellows are an aberration. (Really not, of course, as we see even in Mexico, etc  itself with the missing and disappeared girls, not to mention the sex trafficking.) But that is all "ok," just a cultural issue, we must accept and appreciate the cultural differences, like with the "refugees" or treatment of women in Muslims land (and indeed also some non-Muslims lands like India.)
Note "right-wing" fake news sites:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34172733
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/09/americas/mexico-missing-students-activist-killed/index.html
https://news.vice.com/article/murdered-in-mexico-state-the-silent-epidemic-of-women-killings-in-mexico
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/15/mexico-missing-girls-canal
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/7-Women-Killed-Per-Day-Mexican-Activists-Protest-Femicides-20150907-0008.html

Here we had the opportunity to hear of an illegal who considered a vacant lot his personal "rape garden." An interesting turn of phrase for an illegal, actually. He was caught after smashing a women's head with a brick after the rape and trying to set her on fire.
http://kxan.com/2016/08/19/woman-kidnapped-and-sexually-assaulted-by-man-in-northeast-austin/
http://www.fox7austin.com/news/local-news/203317457-story
http://kxan.com/2016/09/06/at-least-10-women-assaulted-by-man-in-northeast-austin-garden/

[Lt.Uhura]

What we want is for the border to be controlled, and illegal aliens deported - starting with the criminals, cartel members and gang members among them.  Hard concepts to understand, I know, especially when it's in the Democrats interest to not make distinctions and to continue the race baiting. 

I'll remind you for the umpteenth time, I am not a Democrat so I'd appreciate you not weaving me into your narrative. Furthermore, show me where I stated I don't want criminals deported. My posts were related to a story about farm workers. Hard for you to follow, I know PB, but try to pay attention to the discussion.

[The King of Kings]

Rachel Madcow's viewership tanks after her "Trump Tax Returns" debacle.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/maddows-ratings-tank-after-showing-trumps-tax-returns/

[The King of Kings]

I'll remind you for the umpteenth time, I am not a Democrat so I'd appreciate you not weaving me into your narrative. Furthermore, show me where I stated I don't want criminals deported. My posts were related to a story about farm workers. Hard for you to follow, I know PB, but try to pay attention to the discussion.

If you are here illegally you are a criminal.  If you do indeed want criminals deported, then you agree with us on deporting the 13 million illegal aliens.

Great.

[PB the Deplorable]

Its fine. When Trump has split families up...

How is deporting illegal immigrants Trump ''splitting families up''?  Why aren't the consequences of sneaking into our country the responsibility of the person here illegally?  Why does their personal situation take precedence over our laws and our citizens? 

Why can't everyone go home if being together is so important?  Why don't they apply to immigrate here legally if being together is so important? 

Why are we catering to this?  Why are foreigners commenting on our immigration policies?

[PB the Deplorable]

People like Lt.Uthura prefer low-wage, and often unsafe working conditions, for farm workers, construction, etc apparently. Exploitable people who will work more cheaply once they have run the gauntlet of privation, rape, and organized crime and cartels to get over here will work cheap, won't report violations, and are expendable. Open borders and illegals are great for this stuff.

She's not even that coherent. 

As with the rest of the easily led, her current opinion on any given subject is whatever she heard most recently from the Fake News Media.

[21st Century Man]

You are a fucking idiot if you think immigration or illegal immigration is a complex issue.

We have had completely lax enforcement of illegal immigrants for two reasons, corporations want a robust and easily exploitable workforce to keep wages down and pay these people below market value for their labor which distresses the labor pool in other areas keeping wages down in almost every industry, and it has become a political issue with Democrats trying to cultivate votes and create a new consistent base of Latino voters, and the Republicans using "illegal immigration" as a rallying cry to get white America to vote for them. 

Neither corporations, or either political party had any intention of stopping illegal immigration.  That is why it has taken someone like Donald Trump to do something about it.

When you talk about wage gap, wealthy inequality, high unemployment in the black communities, stagnant wages, and adult children living with their parents into their late 20's, it is all based around 13 million illegal immigrants being here, working illegally.

I don't think anyone is anti-immigrant here, they are just anti-illegal immigrant.

I've gotta say you hit the nail on the head.  You speak for me in this post. A very well-expressed post.   I commend you, sir.

[PB the Deplorable]

You are a fucking idiot if you think immigration or illegal immigration is a complex issue...

That's their fallback excuse on any given issue they don't have an answer for.  ''It's complex'', usually followed by some comment about ''critical thinking''.  As if repeating whatever they heard last from Big Media is critical thinking.

Of course their ideas are never too simplistic.  Although their thoughts on any given issue can be summed up on a bumper sticker.

[Lt.Uhura]

I've gotta say you hit the nail on the head.  You speak for me in this post. A very well-expressed post.   I commend you, sir.

Now that you experts on America's immigration problems have all had your say, I'd suggest you go back and read the article I posted that triggered the discussion. Like the Trump administration, none of you have answers to the problem of the lack of farm workers, in spite of increasing wages, unemployed Americans.

Wages rise on California farms. Americans still don’t want the job

http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-farms-immigration/#nt=oft09a-7gp1

[Yorkshire pud]

People like Lt.Uthura prefer low-wage, and often unsafe working conditions, for farm workers, construction, etc apparently. Exploitable people who will work more cheaply once they have run the gauntlet of privation, rape, and organized crime and cartels to get over here will work cheap, won't report violations, and are expendable. Open borders and illegals are great for this stuff.

Yeah, Trump is going to make sure firms who breach health and safety regs and are fined, are not named. Thus not only not warning potential employees of a dangerous firm, but also not warning other firms the consequences of dangerous practices. Trump. The man of the people; If you're a millionaire.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/13/business/us-worker-safety-rules-osha.html?_r=0