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Started by West of the Rockies, October 05, 2014, 03:09:56 PM

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Quote from: VtaGeezer on April 24, 2015, 04:27:57 PM


Yes, also making it more difficult to register.  I don't know for sure, but it would not surprise me if the SoS does play a role in defending laws under their jurisdiction to the courts.

VtaGeezer

Quote from: 136 or 142 on April 24, 2015, 04:42:30 PM
... it would not surprise me if the SoS does play a role in defending laws under their jurisdiction to the courts.
Agreed, playing a role is expected; aggressive legal action independent of the AG is something new.

As for the electoral vote by district, give it time to metasticize.  Nebraska already does this, and in '08 McCain got 55% of the NE vote but 80% of the electoral votes because of districts.  The insidious thing is while voters view it as fairer than the winner-takes-all method, in reality it takes gerrymandering to the Presidential level.

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Quote from: VtaGeezer on April 24, 2015, 06:16:53 PM
Agreed, playing a role is expected; aggressive legal action independent of the AG is something new.

As for the electoral vote by district, give it time to metasticize.  Nebraska already does this, and in '08 McCain got 55% of the NE vote but 80% of the electoral votes because of districts.  The insidious thing is while voters view it as fairer than the winner-takes-all method, in reality it takes gerrymandering to the Presidential level.

On the electoral district thing, you might be right, but, as long as the Republicans only propose it for Democratic leaning 'purple' states, voters will see it for the power grab it is.

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Poll of potential Virginia Democratic Primary voters
From Christopher Newport University (I've never heard of them and most university pollsters have rather poor track records, but the other numbers look credible enough):

1.Hillary Rodham Clinton 80%
2.James Webb 6%
3.Joe Biden 5%
4.Bernie Sanders 2%
5.Martin O'Malley 1%

onan

For what it's worth... get used to saying "She's not my president."

albrecht

Quote from: onan on April 27, 2015, 03:50:34 PM
For what it's worth... get used to saying "She's not my president."
;) Yup. Already used to saying that for quite sometime and this one doesn't seem to be lining up any better. But due to demographic changes I will be saying "!Ella no es mi presidente!"

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Quote from: onan on April 27, 2015, 03:50:34 PM
For what it's worth... get used to saying "She's not my president."

She will most likely be like her husband and be a disaster of mostly alleged and some  (mostly minor) real scandals combined with many genuine policy successes.

Quote from: onan on April 27, 2015, 03:50:34 PM
For what it's worth... get used to saying "She's not my president."


Hey now, I'm okay with Carly Fiorina.

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Politics1.com @Politics1com
P2106: US Sen Bernie Sanders (I-VT) - self-proclaimed "socialist" - to launch run for Dem Presidential nomination on Thursday.

Quote from: 136 or 142 on April 29, 2015, 03:24:49 AM
Politics1.com @Politics1com
P2106: US Sen Bernie Sanders (I-VT) - self-proclaimed "socialist" - to launch run for Dem Presidential nomination on Thursday.

Please tell me he's a colonel.

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Quote from: Georgie For President 2216 on April 29, 2015, 03:42:56 AM
Please tell me he's a colonel.

I don't understand this.

He was a carpenter.

Edit: oh Colonel Sanders.  That's an old reference!

Quote from: 136 or 142 on April 29, 2015, 03:49:51 AM
I don't understand this.

He was a carpenter.

Edit: oh Colonel Sanders.  That's an old reference!

Yeah, it was kind of a weak joke  :-\.

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My prediction for a Hillary Rodham Clinton cabinet:

Ages are for 2016

1.Treasury, Deval Patrick,60, Civil Rights Lawyer and former U.S Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights, former Coca Cola Executive Vice President, Governor of Massachusetts 2006-2014

2.Commerce, Olympia Snowe, 69, Republican U.S Senator from Maine 1994-2012

3.Labor, Mark Schauer,55, Former Executive Director Community Action Agency, U.S Representative from Michigan 2008-2010, 2014 Nominee for Governor of Michigan

4.Interior, Sally Jewell, 60, Incumbent

5.Agriculture, Brad Henry,53, Lawyer, Governor of Oklahoma

6.Energy, Brian Sandoval, 53, Lawyer and former District Court Judge, Republican Governor of Nevada 2010-2016

7.Transportation, Martin O'Malley,53, Lawyer and Rock Musician, Volunteer Fire Fighter, Governor of Maryland 2006-2014

8.Housing and Urban Development, Julian Castro,42, Incumbent

9.Health and Human Services, Michelle Nunn,50, Former CEO Points of Light Foundation, 2014 Nominee for U.S Senate from Georgia

10.Education, Judy Chu, 63, Psychology Professor, U.S Representative from California 2009-2016

11.Veterans' Affairs, Claudia Kennedy,69, Retired Army Lieutenant General

12.Defense, Wesley Clark,72, Retired 3/4 Star Army General, Former Investment Banker

13.State, Joe Biden,74, Lawyer,  U.S Vice President

14.Homeland Security, Ed Rendell,72, Lawyer and Investment Banker, Former Philadelphia District Attorney, Governor of Pennsylvania 2002-2010

15.Attorney General, Loretta Lynch,57, Incumbent

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Ben Carson officially declared last night.
Carly Fiorina declared today.
Mike Huckabee is going to declare tomorrow.

All aboard the clown bus.

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Latest National Poll NBC/WSJ
1,000 Adults Surveyed
1.Jeb Bush 23%
2.Marco Rubio 18%
3.Scott Walker 14%
4.Rand Paul 11%
4.Ted Cruz 11%
6.Ben Carson 7%
7.Chris Christie 5%
7.Mike Huckabee 5%
9.Rick Perry 2%
10.Carly Fiorina 1%


http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/SECTION_More_Politics/V215179%20NBC-WSJ%20APRIL%20Poll%20(2).pdf

Good Stuff: http://www.carlyfiorina.org/

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Clinton Approval Survives Wave of Negative Stories

May 5, 2015By Taegan Goddard2 Comments
Hillary Clinton “appears to have initially weathered a barrage of news about her use of a private email account when she was secretary of state and the practices of her family’s foundation, an indication that she is starting her second presidential bid with an unusual durability among Democratic voters,” according to a New York Times/CBS News Poll.

“Americans now view Mrs. Clinton more favorably and as a stronger leader than they did earlier in the year, despite weeks of scrutiny about her ethics… And nearly nine in 10 Democrats say the nation is ready to elect a woman president.”

Maybe a real scandal would hurt her, but not this largely made up nonsense.  That said, I'm not happy about her using a private email server.

albrecht

Quote from: 136 or 142 on May 05, 2015, 07:56:05 PM
Clinton Approval Survives Wave of Negative Stories

May 5, 2015By Taegan Goddard2 Comments
Hillary Clinton “appears to have initially weathered a barrage of news about her use of a private email account when she was secretary of state and the practices of her family’s foundation, an indication that she is starting her second presidential bid with an unusual durability among Democratic voters,” according to a New York Times/CBS News Poll.

“Americans now view Mrs. Clinton more favorably and as a stronger leader than they did earlier in the year, despite weeks of scrutiny about her ethics… And nearly nine in 10 Democrats say the nation is ready to elect a woman president.”

Maybe a real scandal would hurt her, but not this largely made up nonsense.  That said, I'm not happy about her using a private email server.
I would agree, from people I know who support her are still p*ssed about the original treatment by Obama's team during their initial nomination campaign (especially caucus states) back when and the "woman thing" is big. One of the positives for Hillary is the sheer number of scandals with the Billarys over the decades, and the false or more conspiratorial claims, help "water-down" any real ones. Her/their meme of 'vast right-wing conspiracy' against them still plays well, I think. This might change, if something big pops up, or she testifies and 'screws up' to Congress about stuff but, for the most part, nothing sticks to the Clintons and the sheer past of events, or attempts, makes it less likely to do so. But in the current climate, where trust in politicians, police, courts, and the media, are at a low-point I think she could win, or at least do well. Money talks and the 'message', media, etc is splintered- so most money wins. Also, when it comes down to it generally, the more leftist, but especially Democratic Party, "sticks together" more come election time and when in government.

Quote from: 136 or 142 on May 04, 2015, 07:03:54 PM
Latest National Poll NBC/WSJ
1,000 Adults Surveyed
1.Jeb Bush 23%
2.Marco Rubio 18%
3.Scott Walker 14%
4.Rand Paul 11%
4.Ted Cruz 11%
6.Ben Carson 7%
7.Chris Christie 5%
7.Mike Huckabee 5%
9.Rick Perry 2%
10.Carly Fiorina 1%


http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/SECTION_More_Politics/V215179%20NBC-WSJ%20APRIL%20Poll%20(2).pdf

Good Stuff: http://www.carlyfiorina.org/

Marco Rubio I think would be the Republicans best bet against Hillary. I think he can unite the tea party and moderate wings.

QuoteOn the basic ballot test, Jeb Bush leads (23 percent), with Rubio second (18 percent). But if you combine the first and second choices of respondents, Rubio tops everyone else at 41 percent.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/417953/marco-rubios-strength-rich-lowry

Juan

The problem is not that our politicians are lying, power mad criminals.  It's that their supporters don't care.

Gd5150

Quote from: Juan on May 06, 2015, 06:26:32 AM
The problem is not that our politicians are lying, power mad criminals.  It's that their supporters don't care.

Definitely part of it. But the general public is uninfomred and uninterested. Why? Because of how corrupt the media and education system in the U.S. have become.

It's understandable that a Democrat or Republican politician has positions that support their side, that's their team. The news medias job is to be objective, research and report all sides to a story.  Unfortunately that doesn't happen anymore.  They're a tool and staunch supporter the of Democrat party by choice. Why? Because they come from a union infested education system who's out to benefit itself by supporting the party they own, the Democrat party. It's a perpetual cycle.

Unions don't exist to care about the product they produce, the success of the business they work for, they care about themselves, that's their job. So there is no possible way an education system that's infested and corrupted by the union system can possibly be successful. And it's not. Trillions poured in, increases in funding every year, and the final results are always the same, kids learning less and less. Coming out focused on history thats rewritten to fit today's pop culture. "Columbus, Washinton, Lincoln, was just a slave a owner who smoked pot and was pro choice and believed in global warming".

And we wonder why most the public doesn't care and doesn't vote? The ones left who do vote, do so because it's their team they want to win. They want to elect a "rock star".

Alan Keyes - "He's insane, but he's not stupid."

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Michigan Governor Rick Snyder has decided to not run.

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http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/05/walker-still-leads-nationally-clinton-over-60.html

Latest National PPP Poll. Democratic polling firm but until 2014 midterms they were one of the best pollsters.

Republican
1.Scott Walker 18%
2.Marco Rubio 13%
3.Ben Carson 12%
4.Mike Huckabee 12%
5.Jeb Bush 11%
6.Ted Cruz 10%
7.Rand Paul 9%
8.Chris Christie 5%
9.Rick Perry 2%

Democrats
1.Hillary Rodham Clinton 63%
2.Bernie Sanders 13%
3.James Webb 6%
4.Lincoln Chafee 5%
5.Martin O'Malley 2%

b_dubb

Quote from: morgana213 on April 23, 2015, 04:23:59 PM
I worked in state gov. when jeb was gov.  He was very corrupt.  And so was Rubio when he was in the Florida legislature.  I know most politicians are corrupt, but these two (just like the Florida governor now) are in your face corrupt.
In 2000 someone ran a database query that ID'd a bunch of African-American voters as felons this assuring they could not vote. I would love to know who authorized that and what (if anything) was done to restore voting rights for those people.

That's how you steal an election.

Gd5150

Quote from: b_dubb on May 13, 2015, 02:36:35 PM
In 2000 someone ran a database query that I'd a bunch of African-American voters as felons this assuring they could not vote. I would love to know who authorized that and what (if anything) was done to restore voting rights for those people.

That's how you steal an election.

Thats outrageous! But the 800 FBI files in Hillary's office were ok. And the $1,900,000,000 in donations they've pocketed from the "charitable foundation" is ok. And the 30,000 emails she refuses to turn over showing her blatant corruption is fine. And her total disregard for the law and ignorance related to Benghazi which lead to deaths is ok. However because someone said they worked in Jeb's office clearly he's corrupt.  ;D

All irrelevent considering were in the middle of the 7 years of recession thanks to Obama and Obamacare. 100 million jobs lost and counting.

b_dubb

Quote from: Gd5150 on May 13, 2015, 02:44:15 PM
Thats outrageous! But the 800 FBI files in Hillary's office were ok. And the $1,900,000,000 in donations they've pocketed from the "charitable foundation" is ok. And the 30,000 emails she refuses to turn over showing her blatant corruption is fine. And her total disregard for the law and ignorance related to Benghazi which lead to deaths is ok. However because someone said they worked in Jeb's office clearly he's corrupt.  ;D

All irrelevent considering were in the middle of the 7 years of recession thanks to Obama and Obamacare. 100 million jobs lost and counting.

Thanks for posting these Fox News talking points. Here's a Bill O'Riley cock ring for your trouble.  Used. I'd wash that if I were you.

It's a fact that people were prevented from voting in FLA during the 2000 election.

Are the Clintons worth $2 billion? That's what you're saying in your post.

3OctaveFart

Also worked for the Florida legislature when Jeb was in office, for the Tom Feeney-led House.
Rubio was party whip, a little yapping toy breed.
They were corrupt as shit and that chamber was a joke.


Ok, so how are Republicans going to do debates. Everyone is pretty much bunched up. At this rate it will be a 20 person debate.

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Quote from: nooryisawesome on May 14, 2015, 04:46:54 AM
Ok, so how are Republicans going to do debates. Everyone is pretty much bunched up. At this rate it will be a 20 person debate.

I suggest they use a mix of debates.  For the one hour debates go with just the top tier candidates by polling data. For the two hour debates have all the candidates.  They could give three groups of six candidates (if 18 run)  forty minutes each, this is how a lot of at large city council candidates debates are handled.

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