Ted Cruz lays out ten policy principles that Repubs should pursue in 2015

[VtaGeezer]

Put a D in front of their names and it would be your wet dream.

You've lost all discernment.  Dittohead??

[albrecht]

On paper Cruz seems ok in that his policies and supposed goals make sense. But there is still something that reads "smarmy lawyer" to me. And his heritage is suspect. We don't need any more illegal, or even unlimited legal, immigrant supporters in power. Of course, if it comes down to a lessor of two evils....

[NowhereInTime]

On paper Cruz seems ok in that his policies and supposed goals make sense.

...to the criminally insane, but do go on...

But there is still something that reads "smarmy lawyer" to me.

How about "braying ferret faced jackass?"

And his heritage is suspect.

So is his sanity, his morality, his experience, his chin ...

We don't need any more illegal, or even unlimited legal, immigrant supporters in power. Of course, if it comes down to a lessor of two evils....

...you'd happily compromise your much vaunted "principles" like a pig in shit.  Well done.  Conservative hypocrisy in one succinct display.

[MV/Liberace!]

Nixon.

holy shit.  duh.

[albrecht]

...you'd happily compromise your much vaunted "principles" like a pig in shit.  Well done.  Conservative hypocrisy in one succinct display.

Since when is being logical a "compromise of "much vaunted" principles?" It is just a rational choice when one is confronted with two likely bad choices, and there no other alternative, to make the "less bad" choice. Of course, I'd rather have better choices but in a national Presidential election that is very likely not going to happen any time soon. Locally, or even statewide, one usually has better choices. Certainly "not voting," at least in the Presidential level, is a valid choice but you will still be stuck with a bad choice- and likely the "worse bad" choice.

ps: pigs are actually fairly smart animals and don't like to "roll in shit" except when we make them to do by bad farming practices. They do roll in mud or dust as a way to kept cool in hot temperature or root around in dirt to find food (even used to find expensive morels, truffles, etc that Hollywood-types and French chefs pay big, big money for.) A better analogy for you is politicians, and their welfare constituents (whether inner-city lay-abouts or corporate millionaires wanting some fat contracts or gains by regulatory capture) acting like "hogs at the trough" on our tax dollars.

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You mean the elections of '94 when the R's won the House?  And eventually 'shut down the government' in order to force a budget that cut the growth of the bureaucracy enough to finally get a balanced budget?

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/no-bill-clinton-didnt-balance-budget

Actually Newt shut down the government because Clinton wouldn't give him a front seat on Air Force 1.


And, it was the 1993 Democratic budget that not a single Republican supported that led to the balanced budget.

[Zoo]

if we're going to vote for fox news hosts former or current, i'd rather vote for the judge.

I am down for that.. He was one of the few on FOX that I did not want to stick a gun to the roof of my mouth and pull the trigger!!1

[PB the Deplorable]

Actually Newt shut down the government because Clinton wouldn't give him a front seat on Air Force 1.


And, it was the 1993 Democratic budget that not a single Republican supported that led to the balanced budget.

Actually, it happened exactly the way it was explained in the link I posted. 

[NowhereInTime]

Actually, it happened exactly the way it was explained in the link I posted.

Actually, you quoted more Fairy Tales from Neverland (this time from the bowels of the CATO institute, those noted patriots). 


God, that article was apocryphal crap.

[PB the Deplorable]

Actually, you quoted more Fairy Tales from Neverland (this time from the bowels of the CATO institute, those noted patriots). 


God, that article was apocryphal crap.

The CATO Institute is the Libertarian 'think tank'.  If a person favors Big Government, they aren't going to like what CATO and the Libertarians have to say - at all.  Fortunately, those people are the minority in this country (although unfortunately those in favor of Big Government are a majority among our elected officials in DC).

The way that article laid out the budget issues between the Clinton White House and the Gingrich Congress is about how I remember it, although I don't have recall on every detail.



See, when the D's bitch about a temporary government 'shutdown', in this case due to a disagreement about the amount of spending - (D's favoring more, R's favoring less), and blame the R's for it - in this case the Gingrich Congress - they can't later go back and take credit for the reductions in the deficit those clashes produced.

Even when their accomplices in the Media try to distort those events.

The fact is, the Gingrich Congress and the Clinton Whore House could not reach agreement on a budget before the end of the fiscal year, and the government was 'shut down'.  The House forced the issue, Clinton made most of the concessions, and lower deficits were achieved.  Now Clinton and the D's are running around claiming the lower deficits and balanced budget were their accomplishments.  They weren't. 

Then later of course Gingrich was out of office, Bush Jr was elected, and the establishment R's were back in control of Congress - and they blew the budget up by increasing spending while cutting taxes. 

[NowhereInTime]

The CATO Institute is the Libertarian 'think tank'.

If the definition of "thinking" has changed to "regurgitating factless, mindless demagoguery ad nauseam".

If a person favors Big Government, they aren't going to like what CATO and the Libertarians have to say - at all.

This is true.  They spin the web of deceit that is conservative philosophy.

Fortunately, those people are the minority in this country...

Unsubtantiated falsehood.  Our next "libertarian" President will be our first.  Well, maybe Hoover as he sat on his hands while America suffered.

...(although unfortunately those in favor of Big Government are a majority among our elected officials in DC).

Except in Congress, where tea party rabid dogs feel its' their job to stomp their feet and cry "no."

The way that article laid out the budget issues between the Clinton White House and the Gingrich Congress is about how I remember it, although I don't have recall on every detail.

Most honest thing a conservative has said in a long while.

See, when the D's bitch about a temporary government 'shutdown'...

Which, ironically, impacts the "R's" districts more (they bitch in secret).

...in this case due to a disagreement about the amount of spending - (D's favoring more, R's favoring less), and blame the R's for it - in this case the Gingrich Congress - they can't later go back and take credit for the reductions in the deficit those clashes produced.

Why not?  The "D's" acted in the spirit of compromise and negotiation whereas the "R's" tried their "my way or the highway" bloviation to no effect. 

This is why everyone thinks Clinton "won", because all of you conservatives talked an NBA season's worth of trash.

Even when their accomplices in the Media try to distort those events.

This is called the "Fox News Effect".

The fact is, the Gingrich Congress and the Clinton Whore House could not reach agreement on a budget before the end of the fiscal year, and the government was 'shut down'.  The House forced the issue, Clinton made most of the concessions, and lower deficits were achieved.

No, Clinton easily outmaneuvered giblet-head Newt.  Starkly contrasted the haughty conservatives and their smug sanctimony to the Dems willingness to be gracious on behalf of the American people.

Now Clinton and the D's are running around claiming the lower deficits and balanced budget were their accomplishments.  They weren't.

Of course they were.  Drove you guys nuts.  Apparently still does. 

Then later of course Gingrich was out of office...

Because he thought he had the national appeal and the chops to be President.  I know, I'm laughing too.

...Bush Jr was elected, and the establishment R's were back in control of Congress - and they blew the budget up by increasing spending while cutting taxes.

Oh, yes, because none of the Legion of Doom from the mid-90's were still in Congress.

Poetic License, much?

[PB the Deplorable]

... Which, ironically, impacts the "R's" districts more (they bitch in secret)...

'Shutting down the government' for a few days, or even weeks, doesn't affect anyone.  (Well, except when a mean-spirited Obama closes down the outdoor National Monuments in DC to retired veterans coming from around the country to visit them, or closes national highways that happen to run through National Parks)

The two sides can and do make deals to fund essential services and agencies while they are sorting out their differences.  Govt employees have always gotten their back pay.

It's Big Media trying to fan hysteria.  Always siding with the D's, whether they run Congress or hold the White House.  Always blaming the R's, whether they run Congress or hold the White House .  Big Media is on the side of the D's in these clashes - who always take the position of more bigger government in these 'government shutdown' disputes. 

Of course Bill Clinton and the D's aren't responsible for negotiating a smaller budget (and thus deficit) - that's what the Gingrich House was fighting for, and forced on him.  What, you think it was Gingrich trying to spend more and Clinton was arguing for a smaller government?  That's just silly.

[NowhereInTime]

'Shutting down the government' for a few days, or even weeks, doesn't affect anyone.  (Well, except when a mean-spirited Obama closes down the outdoor National Monuments in DC to retired veterans coming from around the country to visit them, or closes national highways that happen to run through National Parks)

Furloughing Federal workers doesn't effect anyone?  Really, you're going to trump up that kabuki theater about 90 year olds "storming" the World War II monument?

More summer stock from the fine fantasizers at Fox News.

Of course Bill Clinton and the D's aren't responsible for negotiating a smaller budget (and thus deficit) - that's what the Gingrich House was fighting for, and forced on him.

Forced on him?  Seriously, Conan, I'm not even a big fan of his but nobody ever "forced" anything on Bubba.

What, you think it was Gingrich trying to spend more and Clinton was arguing for a smaller government?  That's just silly.

Never said it.  Never implied it.  Classic conservative boilerplate; conflate (or outright manufacture) an opponent's point of view then condescend.  Used as red herring when the conservative's argument is especially weak and specious.


I'll give you credit, you've been schooled well in misdirection.

[NowhereInTime]

Ted Cruz is the George Noory of politics.


Carry on.

[Gd5150]

Forced on him?  Seriously, Conan, I'm not even a big fan of his but nobody ever "forced" anything on Bubba.

Of course not. Because like all libtards Clinton was a big proponent of a balanced budget and welfare reform. He must have impeached and disbarred himself as well.

"Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors." Bill Clinton - 1998

[VtaGeezer]

Ted Cruz is the George Noory John B Wells  of politics.
Carry on.

Fixed.

[yumyumtree]

Excuse the source, and this proves nothing, but his dad is at least a nutjob.

http://disinfo.com/2013/10/ted-cruzs-father-preaches-son-anointed-king-will-bring-end-time-transfer-wealth

Cruz was "blessed and anointed" by a "dominionist pastor," for whatever that's worth.

As opposed to Obama's dad, who was a paragon of respectability and responsibility.  Clinton and Reagan both had embarrassing dads. So did Kennedy, when you get right down to it.  This is America.  We don't judge you by who your parents are.

[yumyumtree]

Ted Cruz is the George Noory of politics.


Carry on.

I don't recall Alan Dershowitz saying anything complimentary about either Noory or Wells.

[yumyumtree]

Since when is being logical a "compromise of "much vaunted" principles?" It is just a rational choice when one is confronted with two likely bad choices, and there no other alternative, to make the "less bad" choice. Of course, I'd rather have better choices but in a national Presidential election that is very likely not going to happen any time soon. Locally, or even statewide, one usually has better choices. Certainly "not voting," at least in the Presidential level, is a valid choice but you will still be stuck with a bad choice- and likely the "worse bad" choice.

ps: pigs are actually fairly smart animals and don't like to "roll in shit" except when we make them to do by bad farming practices. They do roll in mud or dust as a way to kept cool in hot temperature or root around in dirt to find food (even used to find expensive morels, truffles, etc that Hollywood-types and French chefs pay big, big money for.) A better analogy for you is politicians, and their welfare constituents (whether inner-city lay-abouts or corporate millionaires wanting some fat contracts or gains by regulatory capture) acting like "hogs at the trough" on our tax dollars.

Thank you for saying a kind word about pigs.  Many animals take dust baths.

[analog kid]

As opposed to Obama's dad, who was a paragon of respectability and responsibility.  Clinton and Reagan both had embarrassing dads. So did Kennedy, when you get right down to it.  This is America.  We don't judge you by who your parents are.

Kind of relevant, I guess. Obama didn't really know his father. The point was that Ted is supposedly linked to some frightening fundamentalist religious stuff.

[VtaGeezer]

As opposed to Obama's dad, who was a paragon of respectability and responsibility.  Clinton and Reagan both had embarrassing dads. So did Kennedy, when you get right down to it.  This is America.  We don't judge you by who your parents are.

Obama met his father once, when he was around 12.  Not a serious influence.  Cruz's fanatic father, OTOH, was a key guiding force in his life and Cruz Jr is certainly a dominionist like the old man (who was a Casto supporter before he was a fundie right-winger). BTW, Clinton's stepfather was a Buick dealer.  A hell raiser supposedly, but a successful businessman. Bill Clinton, much as he tried to hint otherwise, was raised in a comfortable middle class life.

[albrecht]

Obama met his father once, when he was around 12.  Not a serious influence.  Cruz's fanatic father, OTOH, was a key guiding force in his life and Cruz Jr is certainly a dominionist like the old man (who was a Casto supporter before he was a fundie right-winger). BTW, Clinton's stepfather was a Buick dealer.  A hell raiser supposedly, but a successful businessman. Bill Clinton, much as he tried to hint otherwise, was raised in a comfortable middle class life.

Assuming the alcoholic, Islamic, bigamist was this character Obama's father he was still an influence in Obama's life. Sometimes the LACK of parental attention can be just as important in someone's life. In any event he had "father figures" and self-proclaimed "mentors" after his father abandoned him, first Soetoro (where he claims he took a new name but refused to show any legal adoption or name-change paperwork) and then like the pornographer and communist Frank Marshall Davis and, of course later, the fire-brand preacher Rev.Wright.

[VtaGeezer]

...he claims he took a new name but refused to show any legal adoption or name-change paperwork

He was three years old when his mother married Soetero, but he planned the whole affair just so he could go to madrassa in Jakarta.  You forget to mention the 666 birthmark and his sneaking off to N Vietnam (also when he was six) to shoot down McCain's A4.  And how he shot Kennedy from the Grassy Knoll when he was just two.  These are as factual as the other fringe right drek you love to repeat.

[Kelt]

Hopefully the next candidate is a Maverick.  Palin didn't mention being a Maverick nearly enough.

[PB the Deplorable]

Assuming the alcoholic, Islamic, bigamist was this character Obama's father he was still an influence in Obama's life. Sometimes the LACK of parental attention can be just as important in someone's life. In any event he had "father figures" and self-proclaimed "mentors" after his father abandoned him...

It's been suggested his embrace of Marxism, his sympathy for the Islamists, his hatred of the US, Israel, and the West in general, is due to a yearning for the father he didn't know but knew about. 

Sr. was a Marxist and a Moslem, and due to his upbringing in Kenya under the British, he saw the West as evil colonizers.  Young Barry Soetoro was aware of all this.  It was surely hammered home by the CPUSA member and enthusiast Frank Marshall Davis, who his grandfather handed young Barry over to for indoctrination.

Just going over the larger details of Obama's weird chaotic upbringing, with these awful influences, it's no wonder he's a narcissistic sociopath.


Leaving home for college, he then seeks out Marxist professors and professors who support the PLO type Muslims (neither of these are difficult to find on our college campuses), and later in Chicago somehow finds red diaper babies like Valerie Jarrett, David Ploufe, and David Axlerod, 60's domestic terrorist Bill Ayres, and Black Liberation (Marxist) theologist Jeremiah Wright. 

The guy is a menace.  He does not mean our country well.  "We are going to fundamentally transform this country"

[albrecht]

He was three years old when his mother married Soetero, but he planned the whole affair just so he could go to madrassa in Jakarta.  You forget to mention the 666 birthmark and his sneaking off to N Vietnam (also when he was six) to shoot down McCain's A4.  And how he shot Kennedy from the Grassy Knoll when he was just two.  These are as factual as the other fringe right drek you love to repeat.

Wow. Talk about a conspiracy theory! Who, certainly I never said that!  Obama, or whatever name he is using now, wasn't even alive during the JFK Jr murder.

But it is, indeed, odd that he refuses to release documents. When, sir, did he change his name to Soetoro. And, when, more importantly, did this character calling himself Obama, again, change his name BACK from his adopted name Soetoro? Simply show the documents on the name change. Quite easy. I've known people who changed their name and also names of children due to adoption (and, of course, marriage.) Quite easy to do (file some paperwork at the court) and so the documents very easy to produce. Done ALL THE TIME in marriages, adoptions, etc. But he refuses to release those, amongst SO many others....

[albrecht]

It's been suggested his embrace of Marxism, his sympathy for the Islamists, his hatred of the US, Israel, and the West in general, is due to a yearning for the father he didn't know but knew about. 

Sr. was a Marxist and a Moslem, and due to his upbringing in Kenya under the British, he saw the West as evil colonizers.  Young Barry Soetoro was aware of all this.  It was surely hammered home by the CPUSA member and enthusiast Frank Marshall Davis, who his grandfather handed young Barry over to for indoctrination.

Just going over the larger details of Obama's weird chaotic upbringing, with these awful influences, it's no wonder he's a narcissistic sociopath.


Leaving home for college, he then seeks out Marxist professors and professors who support the PLO type Muslims (neither of these are difficult to find on our college campuses), and later in Chicago somehow finds red diaper babies like Valerie Jarrett, David Ploufe, and David Axlerod, 60's domestic terrorist Bill Ayres, and Black Liberation (Marxist) theologist Jeremiah Wright. 

The guy is a menace.  He does not mean our country well.  "We are going to fundamentally transform this country"

I don't think anyone, even his most vociferous apologists, and most certainly his adherents and Fellow Travelers, thinks he ever liked the country....which is why they go "full on" with the adoration. They agree totally with the evil Western Civilization mantra. BUT most of his voters- the people who got fooled for whatever reason ("anyone but Bush", "wanting to be a part of history", or even some with an odd "white guilt" or "class guilt" inculcated into them) are regretting it. As recent elections saw.

[WildCard]

I don't think anyone, even his most vociferous apologists, and most certainly his adherents and Fellow Travelers, thinks he ever liked the country....

Do people really believe this, "Obama hates America", meme? Or, is it just rhetoric? Too me, it's just bat-shit crazy.
If one of of your proofs is "God Damn America" by Jeremiah Wright. I agreed with him when it broke. I just watched it and I still agree.
(Except when he pretends that what he's talking about has anything to do with the Bible. "God was against slavery on yesterday . . . "?! Really? Have you ever read that book you're quotin'. Rev.?)
One of the first things pissed me off about Obama was disowning Wright. And then to claim that he had no idea what was preached there?! N*****, puleeze!

Damn right, "anyone but Bush"! No more retards in the oval office. If you're gonna do a puppet show, at least try to make it believable.
This election, it's anyone but a Republican. I will vote for Hillary 'Fuckin' Clinton to keep the Republicans out. And I probably despise her more than you.
Don't get me wrong. I don't think the Dems are a-lot better. 51/49.

[NowhereInTime]

Of course not. Because like all libtards Clinton was a big proponent of a balanced budget and welfare reform. He must have impeached and disbarred himself as well.

No, it was the smug, sanctimonious Contract-On-America hypocrites who exposed his extramarital activity as a way of discrediting him.  Hypocrites (most of whom had their own little side romps) who, in their rage at being outmaneuvered by him, wasted millions of taxpayer dollars on their futile attempt to reverse the '96 election.  Seem familiar?


Love how much of a proponent you con-hypocrites are at "balanced budgets" when you go off to fight wars by asking the Chinese for a loan.  Or build up the military establishment on the credit card (along with fat contracts to political allies) like St Ronnie did.


Two thirds of our budget on war machine but you smugs get up and decry how "big government" is somehow ruining America and that we need to cut "entitlements" (key word) but always entitle yourselves to go off all over the globe on behalf of America's "interests".


Conservatives' disconnect with reality astonishes the rational mind.

[VtaGeezer]

Wow. Talk about a conspiracy theory! Who, certainly I never said that!  Obama, or whatever name he is using now, wasn't even alive during the JFK Jr murder.

But it is, indeed, odd that he refuses to release documents. When, sir, did he change his name to Soetoro. And, when, more importantly, did this character calling himself Obama, again, change his name BACK from his adopted name Soetoro? Simply show the documents on the name change. Quite easy. I've known people who changed their name and also names of children due to adoption (and, of course, marriage.) Quite easy to do (file some paperwork at the court) and so the documents very easy to produce. Done ALL THE TIME in marriages, adoptions, etc. But he refuses to release those, amongst SO many others....

As usual, your toxic gas production is void of facts.  Obama was born in 1961.  If none of your cracked-pot sources yet places the evil Kenyan-Indonesian Muslim toddler on the Grassy Knoll; just give 'em time.

Seriously, your twisted revisions and distortions of the man's childhood are low and vile, but be expected from one whose prime sources seem to be the fringe right  "journalistic" offal like WND and Glen BecKKK's Blaze.