I think Noory is on his way out.

[bsbishop]

Based on the interview with the earthquakes/asteroid guy and the Paulides interview, I think Noory is on his way out.

Looking back, while he wasn't great, he was able to keep it together until he signed his 10-year contract. After that it took a horrible turn for the worst. I think someone at Premier has taken notice and said, "fix him or he's out!"

I think that's why, out of all of the shitty topics/guests that he's had over the last year, that he was given Paulides and it was so staged. It was a, "Com'on, George, let's pull this together!

Now, there's that 10-year contract but if it's like most contracts it protects them and not him. Even if they paid him out that'd be a small loss compared to losing what they specifically purchased from Bell, years back. They purchased a property with a known number of listeners and that's being dissolved by Noory. If you had purchased that you'd want to not only see a return on the investment but also be able to grow it. I don't think that's happening. I think, with internet streaming, that they see a kind of snapshot to what's happening. They don't need to wait for Arbitron. They can look at the load on their servers and see the listeners drop off.

I think Noory is on his way out and he may make a court case out of it and settle for an undisclosed amount but I don't think he'll be at the helm a year or two down the road. Even now it kind of looks like they're grooming someone to replace him with the new guest hosts. It used to be Noory + Knapp + Punnett and that was it. Now they're cycling people through and testing them out.

[MV/Liberace!]

i don't know, man.  after all of these years, it's hard to take this prediction with much more than a grain of salt.  it's difficult to believe noory is now serving up something that's profoundly worse than the regular heaping of mediocrity and indifference we've already come to know and expect from him. 

[Uncle Duke]

Based on the interview with the earthquakes/asteroid guy and the Paulides interview, I think Noory is on his way out.

Looking back, while he wasn't great, he was able to keep it together until he signed his 10-year contract. After that it took a horrible turn for the worst. I think someone at Premier has taken notice and said, "fix him or he's out!"

I think that's why, out of all of the shitty topics/guests that he's had over the last year, that he was given Paulides and it was so staged. It was a, "Com'on, George, let's pull this together!

Now, there's that 10-year contract but if it's like most contracts it protects them and not him. Even if they paid him out that'd be a small loss compared to losing what they specifically purchased from Bell, years back. They purchased a property with a known number of listeners and that's being dissolved by Noory. If you had purchased that you'd want to not only see a return on the investment but also be able to grow it. I don't think that's happening. I think, with internet streaming, that they see a kind of snapshot to what's happening. They don't need to wait for Arbitron. They can look at the load on their servers and see the listeners drop off.

I think Noory is on his way out and he may make a court case out of it and settle for an undisclosed amount but I don't think he'll be at the helm a year or two down the road. Even now it kind of looks like they're grooming someone to replace him with the new guest hosts. It used to be Noory + Knapp + Punnett and that was it. Now they're cycling people through and testing them out.

Don't get your point about the Paulides' show being staged.  Are you saying Noory was better or worse than usual? To me Paulides is nothing more than a huckser footer and I didn't/won't listen to the show, but I am curious how you think this specific program plays into Noory's future one way or the other.

I know nothing about radio contracts, other than non-competes are a bitch apparently, but I have to believe there are buy-outs for talent not meeting agreed upon performance metrics.  I also wonder if long-term radio contracts are, like in the NFL, actually a series of one year contracts covering the period of performance?  For a business to give someone an ironclad, long term contract sans outs seems ludicrous.

[popple]

Even now it kind of looks like they're grooming someone to replace him with the new guest hosts.

What they need is Ryan Seacrest!

[Foodlion]

I don't think he's going anywhere. The radio listening population has slowly depleted over the year and I think that's what Art realized was the mistake with doing an XM show.

Podcasts are the future of radio.

[TheMan WhoFell ToEarth]

George isn't going anywhere.  He's fed on the flesh leaving nothing but bones, and he'll play in the dust when there's no bones left.

[VtaGeezer]

I think C2C is on its way out along with Noory.  Bad as Noory was a year ago, the show quality has really gone in the crapper in the last few months.  The show doesn't work with him, he knows and just goes through the motions.  He only perks up for the dopey New Agey crap and for homeopath quacks, and PRN knows the show is spiraling in.  I don't think anyone can bring it back...the material has been flogged for going on 20 years yet still no UFOs, no aliens, no bigfoot, no shred of proof of remote viewing. The listeners are like ten year-olds who know the truth about Santa but can't give up on their Xmas list. I still think PRN hired Wells to transition the show into right-wing politics, but he ran off the reservation with Jones and the conspiro-crazies.

[bsbishop]

Don't get your point about the Paulides' show being staged.  Are you saying Noory was better or worse than usual? To me Paulides is nothing more than a huckser footer and I didn't/won't listen to the show, but I am curious how you think this specific program plays into Noory's future one way or the other.

If you go back and listen, Noory's comments seemed oddly forced. It wasn't a natural conversation or an interview. It was like, "Ok.. Now I ask this question.." and it was like the questions were prepared for him by someone else. I don't know, I'm not in the studio, I'm just saying that's what it was like.

To put it better:

Let's say you were a good friend of mine and you had been involved in an automobile accident today.
Let's say I'm a horrible friend and don't pay attention to things.
Let's say that we plan to meet at a bar later and you're going to tell me all about it.
Now, let's say that my wife realizes I'm horrible at conversations and prepares some questions that she thinks would be appropriate for the conversation.

So, based on that, I'm going to go to the bar, meet up with you, and ask questions that, while they may be on topic, don't quite fit the flow of the conversation because my wife obviously couldn't guess exactly what was going to be said. So it comes out all disjointed.

Now, it was better than previous interviews but it was still pretty bad / odd.

I think C2C is on its way out along with Noory.  Bad as Noory was a year ago, the show quality has really gone in the crapper in the last few months.  The show doesn't work with him, he knows and just goes through the motions.  He only perks up for the dopey New Agey crap and for homeopath quacks, and PRN knows the show is spiraling in.  I don't think anyone can bring it back...the material has been flogged for going on 20 years yet still no UFOs, no aliens, no bigfoot, no shred of proof of remote viewing. The listeners are like ten year-olds who know the truth about Santa but can't give up on their Xmas list. I still think PRN hired Wells to transition the show into right-wing politics, but he ran off the reservation with Jones and the conspiro-crazies.

I agree that it has gotten a lot worse in the last year. I have a friend who was bugged by Noory years back but I kept thinking, "Ok, he's not Bell.. He has his own "agree with everything" style," maybe that's what you don't like. After he signed the contract it seemed to go off the cliff. It's been noticeably worse since then.

Now, I can certainly understand how some of you may think this is me being hopeful. I have no inside knowledge or anything like that it's really just my observations: I think PRN knows it's spiraling down the drain. They purchased a well known, marketable product from Art Bell. Listeners fell off a bit with the Bell->Noory transition but up until the contract signing I bet that they were at least consistent. I think, over the last year or so, that with Noory's performance and, I'm guessing, his change in direction of the show, though it may not be, that someone is noticing the listener numbers really tank and they're passing down word to "fix it". I think that's what we're experiencing now.

The Paulides interview was strange because someone purposely moved that off Knapp's plate and onto Noory's. In addition, the interview process seemed very much like a "you can do this, George"-sort of thing to save him. It wasn't a natural interview nor was it a normal Noory interview.

If there weren't concern for Noory's job I think Paulides would have been left to Knapp or, if Paulides somehow ended up on Noory's plate then it would have been the same old normal interview for Noory.

[Juan]

Of course sNoory's questions are forced.  We know he requires each guest to submit a minimum of 22-questions.  Add to those Tommy's generic cue card questions, and one has a forced interview.  I didn't listen to Paulides, but I've heard sNoory a couple of times this month, and I don't see that he's any worse than he's been in years.

Clear Channel owns more than 500-radio stations.  They have to put something on the air.  Coast is cheap to produce.  They pay sNoory and a couple of producers.  The weekend guys are probably contractors, not employees.  Lex and the other webmaster probably work for Cheap Channel, not specifically Coast.  The guests are paid nothing.  What could be cheaper time filler?

[Uncle Duke]

If you go back and listen, Noory's comments seemed oddly forced. It wasn't a natural conversation or an interview. It was like, "Ok.. Now I ask this question.." and it was like the questions were prepared for him by someone else. I don't know, I'm not in the studio, I'm just saying that's what it was like.

To put it better:

Let's say you were a good friend of mine and you had been involved in an automobile accident today.
Let's say I'm a horrible friend and don't pay attention to things.
Let's say that we plan to meet at a bar later and you're going to tell me all about it.
Now, let's say that my wife realizes I'm horrible at conversations and prepares some questions that she thinks would be appropriate for the conversation.

So, based on that, I'm going to go to the bar, meet up with you, and ask questions that, while they may be on topic, don't quite fit the flow of the conversation because my wife obviously couldn't guess exactly what was going to be said. So it comes out all disjointed.

Now, it was better than previous interviews but it was still pretty bad / odd.


I agree that it has gotten a lot worse in the last year. I have a friend who was bugged by Noory years back but I kept thinking, "Ok, he's not Bell.. He has his own "agree with everything" style," maybe that's what you don't like. After he signed the contract it seemed to go off the cliff. It's been noticeably worse since then.

Now, I can certainly understand how some of you may think this is me being hopeful. I have no inside knowledge or anything like that it's really just my observations: I think PRN knows it's spiraling down the drain. They purchased a well known, marketable product from Art Bell. Listeners fell off a bit with the Bell->Noory transition but up until the contract signing I bet that they were at least consistent. I think, over the last year or so, that with Noory's performance and, I'm guessing, his change in direction of the show, though it may not be, that someone is noticing the listener numbers really tank and they're passing down word to "fix it". I think that's what we're experiencing now.

The Paulides interview was strange because someone purposely moved that off Knapp's plate and onto Noory's. In addition, the interview process seemed very much like a "you can do this, George"-sort of thing to save him. It wasn't a natural interview nor was it a normal Noory interview.

If there weren't concern for Noory's job I think Paulides would have been left to Knapp or, if Paulides somehow ended up on Noory's plate then it would have been the same old normal interview for Noory.

Thanks for the reply, but I don't get how one disjointed interview with a huckster writer is meant to save the job of guy who, despite an obvious lack of talent, is still #1 nationally in his time slot.  Like others, I think George is a fixture on C2C, and isn't apt to be going anywhere.

[wr250]

Thanks for the reply, but I don't get how one disjointed interview with a huckster writer is meant to save the job of guy who, despite an obvious lack of talent, is still #1 nationally in his time slot.  Like others, I think George is a fixture on C2C, and isn't apt to be going anywhere.

what does this say about others in his time slot?

[FightTheFuture]

Noory isn`t going anywhere.

It`s not as if he suddenly turned to crap. He`s always been crap as a host. Yet, they still keep signing him. Noory is a company man. I reckon that pretty much says it all.

[awake]

bsbishop is referring pretty specifically to the Paulides interview and to discount his/her opinion while also stating you didn't listen to the show is puzzling.  The thing about that particular show was how it differed from the standard dave fare.  That's the whole point, it sounded out of character which makes bs wonder if PRN is sending down some fix it or else kind of directives.  It's fine to have an uniformed opinion but it doesn't add to the conversation.  Who knows if this was the only instance of attempting improve the show (assuming it is happening), perhaps the company has tried other things that didn't smack as quite this artificial?

I agree that is is highly unlikely that prn is going to fire the jackass but they cannot be pleased with the show.  I assume that at least someone from the company has heard the show and dave's neat trick of asking questions that have already been answered.

The thing that galls me is that dave has this cushy gig and I imagine is well paid, but puts so little effort into, and shows so little regard for, his work.  I find his lack of professionalism disrespectful to the listeners, his bosses, his co-workers and himself.  He mentioned on this site that he fades out during interviews, but that's his fucking job.  Sweet jesus, how tough can it be to find a another interviewer who would show up prepared and engaged???

[VtaGeezer]

Noory isn`t going anywhere.

It`s not as if he suddenly turned to crap. He`s always been crap as a host. Yet, they still keep signing him. Noory is a company man. I reckon that pretty much says it all.

In the last three months, the show in general has really gone to hell; its noticeably and consistently far worse than the "normal" mediocrity that turned most here against Noory as the C2C host.  It's as if Bell's Sirius Radio disaster triggered a rejection of any pretense of maintaining program quality on C2C.  PRN didn't become a talk radio giant with hosts who can't talk and can't interact. I believe they know that Noory has been coasting (nice pun!) on C2C for years, and gotten way to big for his radio britches.  I think C2C is finished and they have something else in development.  They're not going to let the huge C2C affiliate network disintegrate because of Noory's apathy.

[PB the Deplorable]

...  Sweet jesus, how tough can it be to find a another interviewer who would show up prepared and engaged???[/font][/size]

The people making decisions on this at PremRat must be as dumb and lazy as George is

[Uncle Duke]

bsbishop is referring pretty specifically to the Paulides interview and to discount his/her opinion while also stating you didn't listen to the show is puzzling.  The thing about that particular show was how it differed from the standard dave fare.  That's the whole point, it sounded out of character which makes bs wonder if PRN is sending down some fix it or else kind of directives.  It's fine to have an uniformed opinion but it doesn't add to the conversation.  Who knows if this was the only instance of attempting improve the show (assuming it is happening), perhaps the company has tried other things that didn't smack as quite this artificial?

I agree that is is highly unlikely that prn is going to fire the jackass but they cannot be pleased with the show.  I assume that at least someone from the company has heard the show and dave's neat trick of asking questions that have already been answered.

The thing that galls me is that dave has this cushy gig and I imagine is well paid, but puts so little effort into, and shows so little regard for, his work.  I find his lack of professionalism disrespectful to the listeners, his bosses, his co-workers and himself.  He mentioned on this site that he fades out during interviews, but that's his fucking job.  Sweet jesus, how tough can it be to find a another interviewer who would show up prepared and engaged???

I'm sorry you are puzzled.  The fact I didn't listen to the show in question is exactly why I asked bsb to provide additional information.  He/she was kind enough to do so, and I read that response fully and carefully, and gave it due consideration.  I thanked bsb for the response, and respectfully stated an informed opinion based on that response.  In this case that opinion happened to be contrary that of bsb, but ironically is one that you and the vast majority of posters to this specific thread seemed to echo.  So we agree, saying "George Noory isn't going anywhere" does not add to any conversation. 

[awake]

I'm sorry you are puzzled.  The fact I didn't listen to the show in question is exactly why I asked bsb to provide additional information.  He/she was kind enough to do so, and I read that response fully and carefully, and gave it due consideration.  I thanked bsb for the response, and respectfully stated an informed opinion based on that response.  In this case that opinion happened to be contrary that of bsb, but ironically is one that you and the vast majority of posters to this specific thread seemed to echo.  So we agree, saying "George Noory isn't going anywhere" does not add to any conversation.

I was referring to Juan.  Juan, not you.  But I'm still sorry if you took offense.

[ItsOver]

The people making decisions on this at PremRat must be as dumb and lazy as George is

PremRat must be Dilbert's worst nightmare.  I would have cancelled C2C long ago and replaced it with something else, if that's what it took to can Noory.  With the current PremRat set-up, I'd cancel C2C and replace it with Ground Zero.  Ground Zero already runs 5 hours a night, it's just that most stations only carry the first hours prior to Noory's suckfest.  I'd just run all 5 hours of GZ instead of C2C and replay the first few hours of GZ to completely fill the C2C time slot.  Prior to Ground Zero showing-up at PremRat in 2012, many stations were replaying parts of the previous night's C2C, anyway, and you could easily do something similar with GZ.  Clyde's not perfect but he's better than Noory and has a lot of the same guests and similar topics.  From the PremRat bean counter perspective, I'd be happy to only have to pay for one show.

[Uncle Duke]

I was referring to Juan.  Juan, not you.  But I'm still sorry if you took offense.

None taken.

[Morgus]

Remember Noory claims he has a new record-setting long extended contract with PremRat keeping him host of c2cam out until Men land on Mars...

[awake]

And wasn't he an Admiral as well?

[Uncle Duke]

what does this say about others in his time slot?

How many other overnight, nationally syndicated (non-sports) talk shows are there currently on terrestrial radio?  I know of one, "Overnight America," as well as several regional truckers shows.  It's really amazing to get out in the middle of nowhere at 2am and turn the AM dial, C2C can be heard repeatedly.  I was in Iowa last fall and picked up C2C at least ten times over the length of the AM band on the car radio.

[albrecht]

How many other overnight, nationally syndicated (non-sports) talk shows are there currently on terrestrial radio?  I know of one, "Overnight America," as well as several regional truckers shows.  It's really amazing to get out in the middle of nowhere at 2am and turn the AM dial, C2C can be heard repeatedly.  I was in Iowa last fall and picked up C2C at least ten times over the length of the AM band on the car radio.

Yeah, and many of the annoying sports shows are repeats and or have annoying hosts. The Trucker shows aren't that bad, now called Red Eye Radio, but C2C really owns that time slot. Too bad they can't do more with it though...

[ItsOver]

...Too bad they can't do more with it though...

Exactly.  C2C should just be called "Slacker Radio" with Nooron The Moron.

[nooryisawesome]

C2C isn't going anywhere it is a money maker. However, I don't think Premier is happy with the results. Art had 10+ million weekly listners, George has 3.25+ weekly millions.

I think Premier has tried to change C2C, it is now a variety show. However, the change is seemingly not having an effect on the audience numbers. C2C has lost close to 7 million weekly listners. Sure some of it is explained by the increase of other entertainment on demand options (netflix, webcasts, podcasts, hulu, etc). There is now more entertainment options at 3am than in the 90's. Noory is a company man and Premier realizes this, they will do everything to keep him. However, if the numbers don't pickup I suspect Premier will try to change the form of the show again.

I could see Premier trying to go more political and hire a weekend guest like Wells again.

[VtaGeezer]

And wasn't he an Admiral as well?

In Navy parlance, he was "OIC of the Golden Rivet".

[VtaGeezer]

I was in Iowa last fall and picked up C2C at least ten times over the length of the AM band on the car radio.

The great majority of the affiliates that Noory loves to brag about are local stations with under 5kW transmitter power; many are 1kW and under.

[laserjock]

If they bring back the politics of Wells with some new host, I'm leaving for good.  I am sick and tired of right wing nut jobs getting cart blanche on radio.  There needs to be balance and reason.  Noory and his stupid "no vaccinations" and Wells' "it's all a conspiracy by the Illuminati" is so freaking tired and idiotic it is damaging to the nation.  Rational thinking needs to return to radio so the nation may be saved.

[Juan Cena]

And wasn't he an Admiral as well?

That's L. Ron Hubbard you're thinking of, which was a bulls**t claim.

[Juan]

We learned yesterday that Cheap Channel is 21-billion dollars in debt.  I think that makes sNoory more secure.  Coast is a cheap program to produce.