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Learn by the mistakes of others

Started by BobGrau, December 18, 2013, 06:06:59 PM

BobGrau

I'll start:

I've been operating on low self-esteem for most of my life. It's just occured to me that this must mean I have heaps of it stored up somewhere for a rainy day!

Release the self-esteem Grau. Maybe it needs something to manifest in, like if you train to run a marathon it will all come out.

A guy I used to work with used to say:
"Wisdom isn't learning from your own mistakes, it is learning from the mistakes of others."


Sambo

Quote from: BobGrau on December 18, 2013, 06:06:59 PM
I'll start:

I've been operating on low self-esteem for most of my life. It's just occured to me that this must mean I have heaps of it stored up somewhere for a rainy day!

Mistake #1 stating that you have low self esteem often reinforces said low self-esteem.

Mistake #2 not exemplifying an understanding or plan to conquer said low self-esteem.

Mistake #3 you didn't add that you also have lots of optimism and confidence stored up for a rainy day ;)


Mistakes are how you learn.  Don't avoid accomplishing what you want no matter what the excuse. You can do anything you want. Make a plan or execute an idea and practice. We're creatures of habit and you should consider it your duty to make better habits for yourself. Accept and put aside habits you don't need to change immediately, and troubleshoot yourself in to the habits that will build you confidence and satisfaction with achieving life long goals.

As I read this I remind myself of things I must continue to work on.

You make your own happiness, and you have one lifetime to figure it out. We all do.

Don't compare your personal progress with the world around you. Savor the moment and you'll have all the time you need

aldousburbank

Quote from: BobGrau on December 18, 2013, 06:06:59 PM
I'll start:

I've been operating on low self-esteem for most of my life. It's just occured to me that this must mean I have heaps of it stored up somewhere for a rainy day!

Buy low, sell high.  ::)

eddie dean

Quote from: Sambo on December 18, 2013, 09:19:50 PM
Savor the moment and you'll have all the time you need

Wise advice indeed!
IDK why people, including me, have such a hard time being in the moment. Living in the NOW is such a simple concept, but so difficult to program into our thoughts. I am either in the past, with regrets, or in the furture,  worrying about what is to come.

Sambo

The reason older people claim that time flyies is simply due to them being on autopilot for half their adult lives. There's no other reason. If we don't savor the moment we will it past us. This is not the same as staring at the clock every five minutes while you're dying to get off work and it takes forever. It's much more subconscious and powerful than that.

jazmunda

I wrote a short story in high school about a guy who was living in the past in his mind so much that he decided to build a time machine so that he could physically live in the past. His wife begged him not to spend so much time in the past as he was missing out on seeing his very young kids. His time machine broke and he was stranded in the past and by the time he caught up to the present he was so old he died and still didn't get to see his kids grow up. He wasted his life trying to relive the past that he missed out on his future which turned out to be his greatest regret.

I don't know how this story fits in here but stop living in the past or the future will fly right past you.

I must find this story. I remember my high school English teacher loved it.

Marc.Knight

Quote from: BobGrau on December 18, 2013, 06:06:59 PM
I'll start:

I've been operating on low self-esteem for most of my life. It's just occured to me that this must mean I have heaps of it stored up somewhere for a rainy day!


Or maybe it's just your low self esteem that makes you think you have heaps of it stored up somewhere for a rainy day.

BobGrau

Quote from: Sambo on December 18, 2013, 10:01:03 PM
If we don't savor the moment we will it past us.

This is either a typo or the most profound thing I've ever read. Much like life itself, I suppose.

BobGrau

Quote from: BobGrau on December 18, 2013, 06:06:59 PM
I'll start:

I've been operating on low self-esteem for most of my life. It's just occured to me that this must mean I have heaps of it stored up somewhere for a rainy day!

I chose a bad example to start with, I'd like to see this thread fill up with advice that other people think is worth passing on. Random useful stuff that gives you a lightbulb moment, as in "oh! I never thought of it like that before"...

BobGrau

Quote from: Philosopher on December 18, 2013, 10:11:31 PM

Or maybe it's just your low self esteem that makes you think you have heaps of it stored up somewhere for a rainy day.

No, trust me there's whole warehouses of it stored away in my brain waiting for the market to peak.



...did I mention I've been tripping more or less constantly for the last five days?


aldousburbank

Quote from: BobGrau on December 18, 2013, 10:23:35 PM
...did I mention I've been tripping more or less constantly for the last five days?
I thought it felt like there was someone else in here.

Marc.Knight

Quote from: BobGrau on December 18, 2013, 10:23:35 PM
No, trust me there's whole warehouses of it stored away in my brain waiting for the market to peak.



...did I mention I've been tripping more or less constantly for the last five days?


Tie your shoelaces.

nbirnes

Do you know how freaky this sounds to someone who is new and trying to learn who people are around here?

I just wrote a heartfelt answer, sensitive and thoughtful TO A DROOLING PERSON.

In real life, I would have caught this. And you wonder why things get all screwed up.

Marc.Knight

Quote from: nbirnes on December 18, 2013, 10:38:34 PM
Do you know how freaky this sounds to someone who is new and trying to learn who people are around here?

I just wrote a heartfelt answer, sensitive and thoughtful TO A DROOLING PERSON.

In real life, I would have caught this. And you wonder why things get all screwed up.


Yes, back away from the drool.

nbirnes

Quote from: jazmunda on December 18, 2013, 10:05:13 PM
I wrote a short story in high school about a guy who was living in the past in his mind so much that he decided to build a time machine so that he could physically live in the past. His wife begged him not to spend so much time in the past as he was missing out on seeing his very young kids. His time machine broke and he was stranded in the past and by the time he caught up to the present he was so old he died and still didn't get to see his kids grow up. He wasted his life trying to relive the past that he missed out on his future which turned out to be his greatest regret.

I don't know how this story fits in here but stop living in the past or the future will fly right past you.

I must find this story. I remember my high school English teacher loved it.

And so would Noory, Jaz! Surely he's looking for a new time-travel writer to finish the story of Nero Blaise [Blase,Blaze]. He need look no further!

jazmunda

Quote from: nbirnes on December 18, 2013, 10:54:08 PM
And so would Noory, Jaz! Surely he's looking for a new time-travel writer to finish the story of Nero Blaise [Blase,Blaze]. He need look no further!

I would rather burn the manuscript before letting it get into the hands of Noory. :)

I can't believe I wrote a story about a guy inventing time travel only so that he could live in the past for nostalgia. What a doofus my character was.

nbirnes

Quote from: jazmunda on December 18, 2013, 11:00:14 PM

I can't believe I wrote a story about a guy inventing time travel only so that he could live in the past for nostalgia. What a doofus my character was.

Oh, the irony. Get it to Noory, Laddie.

the true question is: if we could perceive ourselves across the meta-universe, would there ever be a first mistake?

it is good to learn from the mistakes of others
it is wisdom that they shared it
be wise

BobGrau

Quote from: nbirnes on December 18, 2013, 10:38:34 PM
Do you know how freaky this sounds to someone who is new and trying to learn who people are around here?

I just wrote a heartfelt answer, sensitive and thoughtful TO A DROOLING PERSON.

In real life, I would have caught this. And you wonder why things get all screwed up.

Welcome to the Internet  :D


maureen

Robert Burns wrote, "I wish the Lord the gift He gi'e us, to see ourselves as others see us."

... and I feel you are all very sensitive, rational, and witty... and even sometimes downright silly!! Cheers!! ;D

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Juan on December 19, 2013, 07:09:44 AM
Welcome to this local parish.


You sir, are a rogue, a bounder and common thief. I'll have my gilly hunt you down and give you a good thrashing. Yes, in my parish.

Quote from: Juan on December 19, 2013, 07:09:44 AM
Welcome to this local parish.

Hey!  Did you just steal that??     :P

Good move.

Shadow Wolf

    We are all different people. Just because an individual believes they have "low self-esteem", does not make it so. If they truly do have low self-esteem, what different does it make in that individuals life? Does that individual need to be like everyone else? The low self-esteem may be just who they are, and does not necessarily mean that individual is unhappy in their life. Why does an individual need to have better habits, habits=ruts. We learn we grow, we move on, all at our own pace in life. If you have few regrets in life, does it matter what your self-esteem level is? Self-esteem, does it have any effect on the amount of regrets you have in life? Do mistakes in life equal true regrets in life?
    If you could go back in time, is there really anything you would change about your life, knowing that if you did make a change in your past, your current life would not be what it is today. Making a change in the past may not lead to the ideal present, but does stand a chance of increasing your regrets, especially if you still remembered who you were before making the change in the past, and by time travel and changing the past I am of the opinion that you would indeed remember all that you did prior to the changing the past, even if that moment is only a dejavue experience, example: seeing a young couple on a picnic with their four year old being pushed on a swing, being overcome by a sudden and over whelming sense of loss. Yes, we all make mistakes in life, but to change one thing, and then miss out on re-experiencing those wonderful moments before you chose to change them, no thank you, yes there may be a few regrets, but are those few regrets worth all the happiness of the present?

Yes, I know it was kind of rambling, just the way I think sometimes.

Sambo

Habits aren't exclusively ruts. Habits go both ways and are what got our species to where we are right now. How do you think people manage to learn to drive, to shoot better, to make babies, find cures, and develop models for reasoning? Structure is the result of habit, and as much as it's healthy and wise to question structure we need it to survive

Nothing wrong with a low self-esteem is like saying there's nothing wrong with allowing societal pressures to affect your well being. How do you think self-esteem is constituted without society and culture?

Shadow Wolf

Quote from: Sambo on December 19, 2013, 05:22:50 PM

Nothing wrong with a low self-esteem is like saying there's nothing wrong with allowing societal pressures to affect your well being. How do you think self-esteem is constituted without society and culture?

How do you think self-esteem is constituted without society and culture?
It is not, and thus it is unimportant how an individual feels about himself, as it has no effect on society or culture...

Self-esteem was created by culture and was thence stolen by society in order to control how an individual will react, and how to get the individual to react the way Society wants. Society is about the whole, think Borg here. Culture really has nothing to do with Society. If Society could do away with culture, lead us to Borgism, then society would be very happy. If you think I am wrong about Society trying to do away with culture, then think of what has happened; to the shamanistic cultures (it is considered illegal to utilize certain plants to reach their raised state of conciseness), the Native American culture (where has their cultural right to hunt and move about freely gone), the American culture; (try to drink a beer on fourth of July at an outdoor picnic in some parts of the USA it is illegal to have an open container in public). Those are just a few of the cultural aspects that have been done away with by society.

Culture says it’s okay, Society says it is unacceptable; leaving the individual confused and in a mental fog easier to control.

Society never has been nor ever will be about the Individual; it is about control of the masses and nothing more.
Well those are my thoughts.


aldousburbank

The following was published in "Desert Plants", an ethnobotany journal, by its editor-in-chief, and my dear friend and mentor, Dr. Frank Crosswhite:

“A normal, living, breathing, human animal is attuned to a balanced pattern of functions whereby in the regular course of the day a variety of work, play, rest, enjoyment, and other activities are intermeshed, allowing a wide variety of inborn genetic adaptations to be exercised.  It is still possible, although unlikely, for most of us to live in such a pristine way- to pick fruit from a tree for breakfast, to till a small field in the morning, to weave a cloth, to eat a hot rabbit stew in the cold of winter, to watch the habits of migrating waterfowl, to pick herbs for tea, to add some thatch to a leaky roof, to make a stone wall, to milk a cow, and then the next day to do different things.  A person having such a life would be a social misfit.  For the good of society this person would be expected to specialize- perhaps do nothing all day long other than remove staples from checks sent to the IRS, or sit in a factory gluing rubber soles to left size 71/2 shoes, or sort mail in a post office, or sweep floors in a downtown skyscraper, or operate a bottle-capping machine.”

“Our society thrives on such a division of labor even though each individual has had to deviate from the regular course of life to which this human organism is genetically adapted.  In the dictionary sense of the word pervert, society is truly guilty of perverting the individual by “causing deviation from the right, true, or regular course” of the individual’s biologically adapted life.  In a sense the individual human is to society what a milk cow is to a farmer.”

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