Art - Never, ever sign a non-compete again

[fromwomewhere outthere]

You are the best. You hold the cards and no matter what they say, do not sign a NC. The powers to be are only interested in profit. You are guaranteed profit to them and when push comes to shove they will do whatever you want.

[area51drone]

You know, when I heard Art talk about the non compete is that I felt like he really should have given it a shot at trying to not have one before he inked the deal.    Yes, it is standard in *many* industries that you work in even aside from entertainment, that you sign non competes.   That doesn't mean that standard clauses can't be removed from contracts.   I really would have thought Art would have known this, or maybe he's just an excellent radio host and a  terrible negotiator.   

You're right in that Art holds the cards.  If you don't need the income, why would you agree to such a thing?

[Yorkshire pud]

You are the best. You hold the cards and no matter what they say, do not sign a NC. The powers to be are only interested in profit. You are guaranteed profit to them and when push comes to shove they will do whatever you want.

I see; so you think a company should invest it's own money in a project and disobey strict company law and not ensure the best return for it's shareholders (profit/ dividends etc), and not protect it's investment by stipulating clauses in a contract that is open for negotiation and alteration or indeed  dismissal where both parties can walk away before signing the bottom line? Jeeze, you'd be welcome in a boardroom.

If Art Bell is too carried away with his own ego and adulation that he'd sell his soul to get on air but then try to change the details after the fact, then he's either not that bright or he's something more sinister.

[PB the Deplorable]

Everything is negotiable.

To get a talent at the level of Art Bell, concessions are made all the time.  If not eliminated, at least watered down.

[fromwomewhere outthere]

I see; so you think a company should invest it's own money in a project and disobey strict company law and not ensure the best return for it's shareholders (profit/ dividends etc), and not protect it's investment by stipulating clauses in a contract that is open for negotiation and alteration or indeed  dismissal where both parties can walk away before signing the bottom line? Jeeze, you'd be welcome in a boardroom.

Companies get rich of the hard work of the normal Joe and then turn around and screw them any chance they get. You are right, you would never see me in a corporate boardroom and you are a corporate shrill. So Joe Blow makes the company a boatload of money, management changes, Joe Blow gets a new boss and is rifted as the new boss brings his own boys in to fuck up what use to be a good thing. Joe Blow is left with his dick and a non-compete in his hand.

Sounds fair to me.

[Yorkshire pud]

Companies get rich of the hard work of the normal Joe and then turn around and screw them any chance they get. You are right, you would never see me in a corporate boardroom and you are a corporate shrill. So Joe Blow makes the company a boatload of money, management changes, Joe Blow gets a new boss and is rifted as the new boss brings his own boys in to fuck up what use to be a good thing. Joe Blow is left with his dick and a non-compete in his hand.

Sounds fair to me.

Oh get over yourself! I'm no more a corporate schill than you are being rational. I'm well aware how normal company practice works; I've been on the shop floor, office and now middle mangement, so know exactly how it is to be shit on from top and bottom! I might be wrong but wasn't the company up and running before asking Art Bell to work for them? He's been there 7 weeks! Hardly suggesting he 'made' the company, unless you can bring something to say otherwise?
He's probably very grateful (as anyone would be) for this adoration, but he's also aware that there is non so blind as those who won't see.
Put it this way, he wouldn't work for me with that attitude. Someone who wants to change an inconvenient contract and then have his disciples dump the blame on the company? Yeah...great references.

Honesty moment; I wonder (no I don't) what reception if George Noory (or other radio host) would receive if he'd done the same thing? Mass sycophancy that AB enjoys? No, i don't think so either.

[fromwomewhere outthere]

Oh get over yourself! I'm no more a corporate schill than you are being rational. I'm well aware how normal company practice works; I've been on the shop floor, office and now middle mangement, so know exactly how it is to be shit on from top and bottom! I might be wrong but wasn't the company up and running before asking Art Bell to work for them? He's been there 7 weeks! Hardly suggesting he 'made' the company, unless you can bring something to say otherwise?
He's probably very grateful (as anyone would be) for this adoration, but he's also aware that there is non so blind as those who won't see.
Put it this way, he wouldn't work for me with that attitude. Someone who wants to change an inconvenient contract and then have his disciples dump the blame on the company? Yeah...great references.

So if Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, or Alan Mulally came to your company and said I would like to take this company to the next level, but I don't wish to sign a non-compete, you would recommend not to hire?

[fromwomewhere outthere]

Honesty moment; I wonder (no I don't) what reception if George Noory (or other radio host) would receive if he'd done the same thing? Mass sycophancy that AB enjoys? No, i don't think so either.

George lives and works in California. He does not have a non-compete.

[Yorkshire pud]

So if Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, or Alan Mulally came to your company and said I would like to take this company to the next level, but I don't wish to sign a non-compete, you would recommend not to hire?

In the highly unlikely event that happening; (but I'll humour you), they would be in a position to buy the company and not bother with such things. But in the REALWORLDâ,,¢ recruiting normal employees (and AB is a normal employee) he's go through the usual interview process and if he was what the company wanted, he'd be invited to join; and the contrat of employment discussed, negotiated, agreed and finalised. by both parties....Or does AB have a special dispensation that says "I know I agree to A B and C but I don't want to do that now, and want to be released by you because I have a load of fans who are clueless when it comes to contracts and will say I shit prime beef anyway"?

yeah, that will be it.

[Yorkshire pud]

George lives and works in California. He does not have a non-compete.

It's a hypothesis; like for like. Would he?

[area51drone]

I also don't understand why non competes would be standard for a national radio show.  Although this doesn't apply to Art, how can you ask someone not to do what their trade is?   I mean, I am a programmer,  I understand I wouldn't compete with a company I might work for, but I can go program something else.  A speech recognition company isn't going to care or require that I don't work on a video game.   I understand local radio shows not moving to another competing station, but they should be able to move to another market.   But do you see my point for a national show?  Can Art do a show on another topic?

[gringomisio]

Better yet, hire an attorney next time. 

[Yorkshire pud]

I also don't understand why non competes would be standard for a national radio show.  Although this doesn't apply to Art, how can you ask someone not to do what their trade is?   I mean, I am a programmer,  I understand I wouldn't compete with a company I might work for, but I can go program something else.  I understand local radio shows not moving to another competing station, but they should be able to move to another market.   But do you see my point for a national show?  Can Art do a show on another topic?

Presumably he read the contract? Or did he sign it and not bother reading it? Either way, it isn't the company's fault nor can they be held to blame for something he agreed to can they?

Put another way; if the company (in this case Sirius) had reneged on a contract against AB, would the disciples be saying they were in the right? Would there be a quasi petition up to support Sirius? I think there are quite a few who need to take the adoration part out and use critical thinking.

[fromwomewhere outthere]

In the highly unlikely event that happening; (but I'll humour you), they would be in a position to buy the company and not bother with such things. But in the REALWORLDâ,,¢ recruiting normal employees (and AB is a normal employee) he's go through the usual interview process and if he was what the company wanted, he'd be invited to join; and the contrat of employment discussed, negotiated, agreed and finalised. by both parties....Or does AB have a special dispensation that says "I know I agree to A B and C but I don't want to do that now, and want to be released by you because I have a load of fans who are clueless when it comes to contracts and will say I shit prime beef anyway"?

yeah, that will be it.

This thread was about Art never signing a non-compete again and not about his agreement with Sirius. BTW, Art wants to be released because of a potential breach in his agreement, specifically Sirius allegedly lied to him about the capabilities of their technology. If this was the case, Art should have worked with Sirius in correcting the problem, rather than throwing in the towel. Yes, if you do sign a contract, you should be held to the contract. Art is far from being a "normal" employee by the way.

[Yorkshire pud]

This thread was about Art never signing a non-compete again and not about his agreement with Sirius. BTW, Art wants to be released because of a potential breach in his agreement, specifically Sirius allegedly lied to him about the capabilities of their technology. If this was the case, Art should have worked with Sirius in correcting the problem, rather than throwing in the towel. Yes, if you do sign a contract, you should be held to the contract. Art is far from being a "normal" employee by the way.

Go on? He does shit prime beef then? I knew it! Keep on believing it bud, keep on believing it.

[gringomisio]

This thread was about Art never signing a non-compete again and not about his agreement with Sirius. BTW, Art wants to be released because of a potential breach in his agreement, specifically Sirius allegedly lied to him about the capabilities of their technology. If this was the case, Art should have worked with Sirius in correcting the problem, rather than throwing in the towel. Yes, if you do sign a contract, you should be held to the contract. Art is far from being a "normal" employee by the way.

Art should have worked longer with Sirius to correct the problem.   Realistically Sirius doesn't need Art's show and Art doesn't need to be broadcasting as he has stated he has enough money therefore it seems nobody really has any leverage here.

[ItsOver]

George lives and works in California. He does not have a non-compete.

I thought he lived "somewhere, deep below the earth." 

[fromwomewhere outthere]

Go on? He does shit prime beef then? I knew it! Keep on believing it bud, keep on believing it.

How many people are capable of making it rain revenue wise like Art can? You? Me? I don't think so.

[area51drone]

Go on? He does shit prime beef then? I knew it! Keep on believing it bud, keep on believing it.

Well fuck, I shit rib-eye, so Art has to to at least shit filet mignon.  Maybe filet mignon with a lobster tail.

[john_malone]

You are the best. You hold the cards and no matter what they say, do not sign a NC. The powers to be are only interested in profit. You are guaranteed profit to them and when push comes to shove they will do whatever you want.

How to the powers do profit from a non-compete?

Are they afraid that Art will launch satellites and take SiriusXM 20+ million subscribers?

Sirius should show some class and let Art go without non-compete.

If this was radio, I could understand non-compete. Then Art could go to another station and compete, but there is no other satellite company for Art to sign up on and compete from.

[Yorkshire pud]

How to the powers do profit from a non-compete?

Are they afraid that Art will launch satellites and take SiriusXM 20+ million subscribers?

Sirius should show some class and let Art go without non-compete.

I was wrong, he doesn't shit prime beef, he shits Chateaubriand. How has AB shown any 'class'? 

If this was radio, I could understand non-compete. Then Art could go to another station and compete, but there is no other satellite company for Art to sign up on and compete from.

What difference does it make if it's radio, television, vacuum cleaners or front loading washing machines? He signed a contract which we must presume he was aware of before signing it? Or is that a difficult thing to understand?

[Falkie2013]

Go on? He does shit prime beef then? I knew it! Keep on believing it bud, keep on believing it.

Jeez, York. Are you gonna keep bitching about this for the next 700+ days ?

Art fucked up.
You know it.
I know it and said so in my videos.
Art knows it.
And $noory knew it and took advantage of it like he always does to further his " career ".
But its getting real tiresome.
He's now fighting to get the ability to go back on the air again.
Quit bitching about it and move on to something else.
PLEASE.

[Yorkshire pud]

"Art Quits Dark Matter" thread has run to OVER 500 pages...

Yeah, quit bitching. Some have very selective levels of tolerance when it comes to what is and isn't 'tiresome'..A bit like the George Noory sucks thread..That was inspired, all that is needed on there is the ablity to cut and paste 'George Noory sucks'..Not tiresome at all.

[Falkie2013]

"Art Quits Dark Matter" thread has run to OVER 500 pages...

Yeah, quit bitching. Some have very selective levels of tolerance when it comes to what is and isn't 'tiresome'..A bit like the George Noory sucks thread..That was inspired, all that is needed on there is the ablity to cut and paste 'George Noory sucks'..Not tiresome at all.

Come on now, whom are you trying to kid ? People report on $noorge's idiocy in that thread.
All I have seen you do since Art quit is complain over and over.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

"Art Quits Dark Matter" thread has run to OVER 500 pages...

Yeah, quit bitching. Some have very selective levels of tolerance when it comes to what is and isn't 'tiresome'..A bit like the George Noory sucks thread..That was inspired, all that is needed on there is the ablity to cut and paste 'George Noory sucks'..Not tiresome at all.

I look it as the folding and refoldding of steel when a samurai sword is forged.
The neophyte may see it as tiresome, but the master knows repetition is a necessity.

[somatichypermutation]

I really wonder about this deal.  I am not an entertainment lawyer, but...

1) How was he compensated? I wonder if there was a flat plus a subscriber addition number.  Art was asking how we learned of the show and was focused on listener and caller numbers.  Did he underestimate his direct short term pull?

2) He could get out of a non-compete, he is Art Bell and since he quit so soon, and may not have had a lawyer, he could easily argue he lacked knowledge and there was no meeting of the minds.  Judges do not like taking away a person's ;livelihood, particularly when that person is up against a major corporation.

3) The whole idea that he quit for ten years over a non-compete that he did not fight, and then signed another is just beyond comprehension.

3) George Noory and Pete Dominick are still producing unlistenable tripe.

[RedMichael]

It IS incomprehensible.

He was going to be compensated on top of his base salary. I forget what it was related to, I think subscriptions? Radios sold? Well whatever it was he only mentions the base salary now which is very odd. When he says he did it for the love of radio and not money BUT leaves out a huge key point while posting his base salary? Well if it looks like bullshit and smells like bullshit...

I will try and give him the benefit of the doubt but I think it was a mix of him not being able to do a radio show anymore and then finding out he will not be getting much more than his base salary. Everything he said about the sirius fiasco makes no sense and his trump card is the "There are things I can't tell you and won't tell you...but there are things". The only thing you can do as an Art fan is say "Well he just did it for the love of radio...."

But

Most entertainment stars are far removed from needing the money...but they still work for a paycheck. It is not a unique trait or quality. What is unique is making a company invest in you and promote you then have you throw it back in their face AND blame them for it. That is truly unique.


I truly think he thought he still "had it". He "had it" in that when he hosted he was good but I think he "didn't have it" in that his gas tank was running on fumes and he thought hed be making a lot more money that he did. If he wants to blame sirius then blame their streaming inhibiting him from making whatever money he was expecting off of whatever deal on top his base salary.

[area51drone]

he thought hed be making a lot more money that he did

Art is not in it for the money.   If he was, he'd be living in a mansion, not a doublewide out in the middle of the desert.   He just loves radio, pure and simple.

[Falkie2013]

Two years from today less about two weeks or so.

Radio news report :


7 PM PST

" Today famed radio host Art Bell returned to the air. "

7:00:30

" Today Art Bell quit his newest show  (  just so we'd have something to talk about for the next 2 years. ). "

[Falkie2013]

I really wonder about this deal.  I am not an entertainment lawyer, but...

1) How was he compensated? I wonder if there was a flat plus a subscriber addition number.  Art was asking how we learned of the show and was focused on listener and caller numbers.  Did he underestimate his direct short term pull?

2) He could get out of a non-compete, he is Art Bell and since he quit so soon, and may not have had a lawyer, he could easily argue he lacked knowledge and there was no meeting of the minds.  Judges do not like taking away a person's ;livelihood, particularly when that person is up against a major corporation.

3) The whole idea that he quit for ten years over a non-compete that he did not fight, and then signed another is just beyond comprehension.

3) George Noory and Pete Dominick are still producing unlistenable tripe.

Even WATCHING actual tripe in a butcher's case is better than their radio tripe.
Dominick is horrible and I only listened to him 2 or 3 times.

Nice to see you posting again. You HAVE been missed.