C2C now just for extreme right wing

[Cynnie]

The show has gotten so political now , its just another right wing talk show ..just this time with an occasional black eyed child thrown in.
I miss Art so much

[West of the Rockies]

Hello, Cynnie... welcome aboard the forum.  Some of the regulars here have thought C2C has been running hard-right for some time now.  Others here don't see things that way.  There is also some disagreement about whether the guests could be regarded as left, right, or center (or apolitical).  I think, for instance, that the very unhinged Alex Jones is a far-right whackadoodle.  Others here say he really isn't political one way or another.  We all agree that he is a grifter of epic proportions.  You'll probably begin to recognize pretty quickly who leans left or right pretty quickly around here.  Most of us strive to at least be polite though things get a bit rough sometimes.  This is not a forum for those who are easily offended!

[analog kid]

Someone here made a good point about politics being where the ratings are in radio, and that the Art Bell style show of old wouldn't be marketable anymore. I like the odd, fun topics myself, and if one of these types of talk shows or podcasts get political, I won't listen to it again. I'll only listen to Coast if Knapp is hosting. He gets it, and I'd bet he can't stand what the show has become either.

[Cynnie]

I have a very thick skin

I will say i've been giggling like a loon over all the posts ...you people are funny

[PB the Deplorable]

Someone here made a good point about politics being where the ratings are in radio, and that the Art Bell style show of old wouldn't be marketable anymore. I like the odd, fun topics myself, and if one of these types of talk shows or podcasts get political, I won't listen to it again. I'll only listen to Coast if Knapp is hosting. He gets it, and I'd bet he can't stand what the show has become either.

They would have said the same thing - and probably did - about C2C when Art Bell was turning it into a paranormal show.

[Jackpine Savage]

They would have said the same thing - and probably did - about C2C when Art Bell was turning it into a paranormal show.

Great point. I don't think many of the posters here have any idea what Art was like pre 1995-6ish.

Also, I was doing some thinking. I know the Alex Jonesesque NWO boogie man is bullshit, there is no vast conspiracy, but does it matter? If an oligarch of rich plutocrats is acting in their own interest unconciously, perhaps it is at the opposition groups' evolutionary advantage to paint them as a sentient group actively plotting their demise. Does it really matter what the intent, if that is the end result?

[West of the Rockies]

You raise an interesting point, Jackpine...  I know some people will argue that Bilderberg, the Bohemian Grove, etc., are essentially just old boys' clubs, that they are relatively harmless.  Others, of course, regard them as the true titans of power, controlling everything (resources, prices, politics, etc.) from their impenetrable fortress of doom.  I don't think they get together just to have drinks, play parcheesi, and give each other wedgies.

[onan]

Great point. I don't think many of the posters here have any idea what Art was like pre 1995-6ish.

Also, I was doing some thinking. I know the Alex Jonesesque NWO boogie man is bullshit, there is no vast conspiracy, but does it matter? If an oligarch of rich plutocrats is acting in their own interest unconciously, perhaps it is at the opposition groups' evolutionary advantage to paint them as a sentient group actively plotting their demise. Does it really matter what the intent, if that is the end result?

I agree with you here. On the other hand, the phrase "just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to get me." May have some relevance.


I don't think the board of GE awakened this morning and said "let's screw over the middle class." I do think they had meetings with plans to increase profits without concern for the middle class. Completely different intentions with pretty much the same result.


Sometimes a golf game is just a golf game. But the conversations as innocent as they might be can offer new ground for seeds to sprout in.


But this subject is certainly one of the more interesting of late. Thanks.

[West of the Rockies]

I quite agree... I don't think the Bilderberger types are like the evil cabal of alien-colonization enablers from The X-Files (Cancer Man, and such), but their agenda probably pays no serious attention to the poor and middle-class of the world.

[Jackpine Savage]

I don't think the board of GE awakened this morning and said "let's screw over the middle class." I do think they had meetings with plans to increase profits without concern for the middle class. Completely different intentions with pretty much the same result.

This is exactly the core of it. These institutions are acting in their own self interest, they've become semi autonomous organisms. Like a worm feasting on a corpse, they don't hate the former owner of the corpse, they are just doing what worms do. In other words, the problem with massive corporations (and bloated government bureaucracies) is their profound LACK of awareness. Another analogy would be bacteria in a petri dish; they'll feast today, damn tomorrow. 

[Jackpine Savage]

My concern is that we have gotten so good at creating organizations orientated toward the profit motive and enrichment of the organization, that instead of building corporations that exist as 'Turkish Automatons' (impressive edifices that are rudderless without active human  direction), we have instead created 'Frankenstien's  Monster' (a massive amalgamation composed of stitched together human elements acting in its OWN direction). This is accomplished by a combination of regulations, laws, by-laws, rules, organizational structures, and reward systems.

[Jackpine Savage]

Massive corporations and government institutions act in an anti-social manner not out of disdain, but out of detached self interest.  Social ties and genuine community act as a threat to their enrichment, thus they act in a manner to undermine these threats. Satisfied, fulfilled people are hard to market to. Perhaps this explains the animosity of the corporate and the state toward the religious, and the undermining of family ties? 

[Juan]

There's an elitist, we'll do of us and too bad for the underlings, strain that runs through progressive/fascist political thought. Corporatism is an important part.

[PB the Deplorable]

Massive corporations and government institutions act in an anti-social manner not out of disdain, but out of detached self interest.  Social ties and genuine community act as a threat to their enrichment, thus they act in a manner to undermine these threats. Satisfied, fulfilled people are hard to market to. Perhaps this explains the animosity of the corporate and the state toward the religious, and the undermining of family ties?

Big Corporations need lots of government regulations and heavy taxes to act as a barrier to entry for small businesses and other competitors - they have the resources to avoid a lot of it or at least survive, and the smaller competitor doesn't.  In turn Big Government needs the support of the big corporations to provide campaign cash and other support.

Look at Goldman Sachs - they received more 'bailout' loot than anyone else other than Warren Buffett's empire.  They were the ones that triggered the Great Collapse of 2008 - peddling their re-wrapped trash as top-rated securities, yet the Justice Dept made a point of saying they were not even going to be investigated, let alone prosecuted.  GS has had representatives holding high office in every Administration going back as far as I can personally remember.  (And those champions of banking and economic reform - Occupy - didn't make a peep when the Holder resolution to let GS go scott-free came out, although they did make a big deal about the anniversary of their 'movement' a short time later.  So much for them).

Or look at GE.  Most years they pay zero Federal Income Tax - certainly one of the abusers in todays world of corporate tax avoiders (see Apple's recent command appearance before Congress), yet there sits the CEO as one of Obama's key economic advisors.  Not to single out Obama, every administration has cozied up to these corporations.  Under Reagan it was Bechtel, although we don't know much about their profits or taxes as they are private, but one can guess based on what others get away with.

[West of the Rockies]

I couldn't agree more, Paperboy.  It's a rigged game; the power-elite know the rules (and change them to suit them with such things as "signing statements", etc.). 

A bit off-topic, but it serves as an example of this dynamic:  I just saw something online yesterday about one of the Facebook cofounders (Sean Parker) getting married in a Big Sur old-growth Redwood grove where he (without permits) evidently constructed a large edifice for his "magical wedding".  He ended up getting slapped with 2.5 MILLION dollars in fines by the CA Coastal Commission.  He knew he was breaking the rules, but threw some money he won't even miss at the situation and scampers off to play.  On the other hand, I'm guessing if I broke wind in Big Sur without a permit I'd have been pilloried. 

[West of the Rockies]

Just found this on another (political) website.  If true, it is rather mind-boggling:

"The six human beings who are heir to the Walmart fortune have as much wealth as the bottom 40% of all Americans combined. That’s six people on one side of the scale and approximately 125,600,000 on the other.

And throw in the fact that the corporation that generates that obscene pile of money for six people is notorious for destroying small town economies, treating its workers like shit and expecting the rest of us to augment their paltry paychecks with food stamps and Medicaid. People should be angry about this, but largely, they’re not."

[Jackpine Savage]

Just found this on another (political) website.  If true, it is rather mind-boggling:

"The six human beings who are heir to the Walmart fortune have as much wealth as the bottom 40% of all Americans combined. That’s six people on one side of the scale and approximately 125,600,000 on the other.

And throw in the fact that the corporation that generates that obscene pile of money for six people is notorious for destroying small town economies, treating its workers like shit and expecting the rest of us to augment their paltry paychecks with food stamps and Medicaid. People should be angry about this, but largely, they’re not."

Walmart should be busted up into about 7 different companies. Where's TR when you need him? This truly is the new 'gilded age'.

[Eddie Coyle]

Where's TR when you need him?

TR in this epoch means Tony Rezko.

[West of the Rockies]

Walmart should be busted up into about 7 different companies. Where's TR when you need him? This truly is the new 'gilded age'.

You know, if I could, I would shop only in Mom & Pop places and pay cash.  I don't want to be part of an algorithm for some government agency or free-market corporation.  Of course, I don't quite have the financial wherewithall to put my dollar where my principles are.  Maybe I just need to do it anyway and say that with principles come sacrifices.  Still, if you actually want internet access and gasoline and car/medical insurance, etc., sooner or later you end up having to dance with a major corporation, don't you?

I would love to live "off the grid".  Any of you Gabbers doing this already?  Any suggestions?

[Jackpine Savage]

This is why I don't worry about Obama. He just does what he's told. He's not even a puppet, he's a spokes-model.


Example: Obama gets up to reassure us that the giant NSA telescreen program is really just to catch terrorists, and we have nothing to worry about. Like he has any choice. Who knows, he might even hate the whole thing. Billions of billions spent to ensure the Goldman Sachs version of the world keeps humming, like they're going to let a half-breed marxist who spent years on the down-low have an actual say about anything.

[kf5iwe]

The show has gotten so political now , its just another right wing talk show ..just this time with an occasional black eyed child thrown in.
I miss Art so much

I am a far right loon. C2C is middle of the road with most of the guests praising Obama (Dr.steven greer, hoagland, LMH,)

[onan]

I am a far right loon. C2C is middle of the road with most of the guests praising Obama (Dr.steven greer, hoagland, LMH,)

From what I gather from this forum regarding c2c guests, their political acumen is probably as poorly reasoned as their subjects of expertise. Most of the whack a doodles on c2c are all over the board with everything they talk about.


Using c2c as a measuring stick of relevance of anything is pointless or demented.

[Juan]

Using c2c as a measuring stick of relevance of anything is pointless or demented.

Perhaps there's even a diagnosis for this hidden in the new DSM-5.  Everything else seems to be included.

[onan]

Perhaps there's even a diagnosis for this hidden in the new DSM-5.  Everything else seems to be included.

I am real unhappy with the DSM 5. I suppose however, most of that unhappiness is due to it being a change and now I have 2 years to retrain how I classify a patient's illness. I can already see some confusion. But I will give it several months before saying too much more.

[forgottenpassword]

As a member of the extreme right wing I feel C2C's is just for the shut-ins, mentally handicapped, and bored night shift workers of the world. 

If you go back to the Bush years I think you will find a fair amount of anti-Bush/Republican shows and conspiracies but that is how conspiracy theory works.  You can't really fabricate a good conspiracy theory about how the party that's not in power is going to secretly destroy America and put you into a FEMA camp.

[Eddie Coyle]

I am real unhappy with the DSM 5.

        Same here. Nearly 30 years of observation and I still don't get a namecheck. I yearn to be the Tommy John of anxiety disorders.

[Sardondi]

We're not to the point that the DSM is part of a Soviet-style system to easily silence and punish political and cultural dissidents by exiling them to internal gulags masquerading as psychiatric hospitals, but you can see there from here.

[onan]

We're not to the point that the DSM is part of a Soviet-style system to easily silence and punish political and cultural dissidents by exiling them to internal gulags masquerading as psychiatric hospitals, but you can see there from here.

We don't need to place a diagnosis on those we want to silence. We can more easily and readily call them a terrorist, whistle blower, or muslim sympathizer. This country has so divided us that there is no need to demonize with a mental illness. All we have to do is make sure they are some form of extremist.


If those don't work, we can call them a homosexual, or a homophobe, or god forbid an adulterer.


Having said all that, don't for a second think that some of our upper crust shouldn't be evaluated and perhaps "housed" for a while.


Take a look at these quotes:


"It doesn't matter what I do. People need to hear what I have to say. There's no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn't matter what I live."




"If you have to use a gun on a youth, you should leave the scene immediately, disposing of the wiped off gun as soon as possible."




"In our soul's Magnificent, we become conscious of the cosmos within us. We hear the music of peace, we hear the music of cooperation, we hear music of love. In our soul's forgetting, we become unconscious of our cosmic birthright, blighted with disharmony, disunity, torn asunder from the stars in a disaster ..."

[West of the Rockies]

Who are those quotes from, Onan?  A couple sound a little Beckian.  Are those C2C guest quotes?  Sad....

[onan]

I left out the names to stay above the fray of one side against the other. Let's just say there is a quote from a conservative, libertarian and liberal.