Art Bell

[DesertFox]

No but to recognize a pattern and see a continuation of the pattern is just logical imho.

1-3-1-3-1-3-1-3-1-3-1-3-? Fill in the "?" and using logic you would be right to assume it will be "1"-

I have an uncle who is seriously a pathological drunk. He was a nice guy and I loved him as a child but he could never keep a job and every 6 months or so would have to move in with my family to avoid homelessness- These job losses were never, ever, his fault. Always a story that placed him in the light of a poor victim and as a child I believed him.

Anyhow, there came a time when he got another job (sadly he was a highly skilled individual trained to be glazier (sp?)making really good money when he did work ) and my folks gave him money for a bus ticket and enough to  move out to Texas until he could start getting paid. My dad told my mom that in 6 months he will be calling for help because he lost another job and it again wasnt his fault (never was). Sure enough , that happened and my parents refused to help .

I was angry because I loved my uncle, believed everyone was always "picking on him" and thought my parents were being assholes.

Then I found out later he was bitching about my parents and my family while spinning a sob story to another relative-

Now, decades later I have watched this pattern continue without cease and he is an old man with nothing but "poor me" stories and excuses. Its sad.

Maybe he was telling the truth about losing some of the jobs through no fault of his own- maybe... However, at some point you just have to assume that its another lie, misdirection and refusal to accept responsibility and pass blame on others. His boss, my parents, society... At some point you have to look at the big picture.

Still can't presume to read the mind, soul of someone with any exactitude. 

[ge30542]

I have an uncle who is seriously a pathological drunk.

The Ol' Demon Alcohol.

[GravitySucks]

The Ol' Demon Alcohol.

Cunning, baffling, powerful.

[K_Dubb]

No but to recognize a pattern and see a continuation of the pattern is just logical imho.

1-3-1-3-1-3-1-3-1-3-1-3-? Fill in the "?" and using logic you would be right to assume it will be "1"- Maybe it not and theres a bigger pattern you cannot see but based on the information you do have that would be the best choice.

Thankfully your logic falls well below the burden of proof.  All any of us has to go on is Art's eyewitness account, and, like one of those ink blots, our interpretation has as much to do with us as the story.  Thanks for your background info; makes me understand a bit better.

While in the absence of proof I have to acknowledge all the dark and entertaining theories as possibilities, along with others not mentioned like alternate universes and portals, I don't want to be the kind of jaded person who'd believe that of Art.  If that makes me a dupe, so be it.  The price of my saccharine delusions is wonderfully low.

[phrodo]

Now, decades later I have watched this pattern continue without cease and he is an old man with nothing but "poor me" stories and excuses. Its sad.

So .. you had an alky loser uncle and you're projecting his disappointing you onto Art. You're sad.   

[ge30542]

I'll never know, I've vented, I'll listen, I'll not subscribe.

[DarKPenguiN]

So .. you had an alky loser uncle and you're projecting his disappointing you onto Art. You're sad.

Yes, thats exactly what I said.

Actually though, I'm not sad at all. Quite happy TBH.

Appreciate your concern though. 

[ge30542]

So .. you had an alky loser uncle.

(that's not my niece, is it?)

[Lilith]

I'll never know, I've vented, I'll listen, I'll not subscribe.

same/same/same/same

[Inglorious Bitch]

Now, decades later I have watched this pattern continue without cease and he is an old man with nothing but "poor me" stories and excuses. Its sad.

Maybe he was telling the truth about losing some of the jobs through no fault of his own- maybe... However, at some point you just have to assume that its another lie, misdirection and refusal to accept responsibility and pass blame on others. His boss, my parents, society... At some point you have to look at the big picture.

^^^THIS^^^^

Sadly some are blinded by their need to worship a celebrity to be able to use reason and see patterns in behavior.

[whoozit]

I hear this song as I read through this thread.  Now you can too.https://youtu.be/voCM0eUyG2c

[DesertFox]

^^^THIS^^^^

Sadly some are blinded by their need to worship a celebrity to be able to use reason and see patterns in behavior.

There they go again--a few that think they know it all and are mind readers...slams those who disagree with their certitude as blind or dupes.   I mean you realize none of you are infallible.  I little humbleness wouldn't hurt.

[DarKPenguiN]

Thankfully your logic falls well below the burden of proof.  All any of us has to go on is Art's eyewitness account, and, like one of those ink blots, our interpretation has as much to do with us as the story.  Thanks for your background info; makes me understand a bit better.

While in the absence of proof I have to acknowledge all the dark and entertaining theories as possibilities, along with others not mentioned like alternate universes and portals, I don't want to be the kind of jaded person who'd believe that of Art.  If that makes me a dupe, so be it.  The price of my saccharine delusions is wonderfully low.

Totally correct , but I leave the burden of proof to courts of law and use my logic to help  to form my conclusions which admittedly have been wrong before and will probably be wrong again.

As an old D&D player I realize that whenever I roll a D20 a series of times I will probably average a total sum of 10... However there have been times I've rolled 2 nat 20's in a row or a series of 1's.

All we have here is speculation. I draw my conclusion based on the pattern I have seen in the past and the fact that once again the story just doesnt add up to me. People that afraid for their lives generally are begging the Police for help, often move away for a bit but never ...ever...take their young child out in the darkness to take photos after supposedly being shot at in that same spot by someone who you think is a relentless terrorist.

I  look at the big picture and to me- This goes along perfectly with the pattern we have seen over the last decade +.

My conclusion has allowed me to fortell this event 2 years ago when I stated that "If Art comes back he will last 90 days and quit"- Granted he may have lasted a bit longer but overall I was correct. So, I must be seeing something that is enabling me to correctly foretell the probability of future events concerning Art bell. And I'm not a remote viewer either.

[ge30542]

Step 8 here, (VERY long list).

[DesertFox]

Totally correct , but I leave the burden of proof to courts of law and use my logic to help  to form my conclusions which admittedly have been wrong before and will probably be wrong again.

As an old D&D player I realize that whenever I roll a D20 a series of times I will probably average a total sum of 10... However there have been times I've rolled 2 nat 20's in a row or a series of 1's.

All we have here is speculation. I draw my conclusion based on the pattern I have seen in the past and the fact that once again the story just doesnt add up to me. People that afraid for their lives generally are begging the Police for help, often move away for a bit but never ...ever...take their young child out in the darkness to take photos after supposedly being shot at in that same spot by someone who you think is a relentless terrorist.

I  look at the big picture and to me- This goes along perfectly with the pattern we have seen over the last decade +.

My conclusion has allowed me to fortell this event 2 years ago when I stated that "If Art comes back he will last 90 days and quit"- Granted he may have lasted a bit longer but overall I was correct. So, I must be seeing something that is enabling me to correctly foretell the probability of future events concerning Art bell. And I'm not a remote viewer either.

The issue is not that Art would quit--I predicted that too.  The issues is some saying this means Art is a sociopath or cares nothing about others except himself.  Those are silly declarations about someone we don't know and can't see inside him. 

[Inglorious Bitch]

There goes again--a few that think they know it all and are mind readers...slams those who disagree with their certitude as blind or dupes.   I mean you realize known of you are infallible.  I little humbleness wouldn't hurt.

Are you drunk? Or is English your second language?

As far as my being a mind reader, no but I can see patterns in others behaviors. I would question why you seem to believe any old story that you are told when there are holes large enough to drive through. As long as there are True Believers such as yourself posting your defense, there will be those that oppose the Kool Aid drinking. Both sides are equally free to share their views.

[GravitySucks]

Step 8 here, (VERY long list).

What an order. I can't go through with it.

But we do.

[ge30542]

What an order. I can't go through with it.

But we do.

[BellBoy]

I'll never know, I've vented, I'll listen, I'll not subscribe.

Exactly this. 

[pyewacket]

If you would have been active during the timeframe from about March through the launch of MITD you would have seen BellGab members playing a very active and supporting role. A lot of 1x1 intercation with Art. A lot of brainstorming which led to the grassroots blitz advertising campaign on social media. GabCasts were a weekly event that had a fairly large following in the online chat room. I don't know if it was the "best of times", but it was fun to watch.

I was active during that time frame and had not experienced Art's previous dramatic exits from radio, so it was my first time. Does that make me an 'Art quits virgin'? Anyway, there was a real feeling of contributing ideas and an insider feel to all the ups and downs of Art's struggle to return- against all odds and opposition (real or imagined). We were crushed when Art and Keith split, putting an end to hopes of Art's return and then cheered when they were reunited. The music and deals were an on again/ off again struggle in negotiations and we worried and waited for each update from Art as he masterfully raised and dashed our hopes for weeks.

Then the show was on! Hints of bigger things to come and Friday 'stayed tuned for the latest news' posts from Art kept many guessing- is it good news or bad? Finally the drama became part of the show and you only need read the pages of this thread to see where it all went downhill. 

It was a ride that came to a spectacular crash leaving a tangle of emotional debris in the Art Bell Thread. When the smoke started to settle, Art posted again to add to his story, promote Heather, and post pictures.

This has been an interesting experience and I don't mean to be insensitive to any here who are upset about it all, but it's what happens when fans get too close a look at their hero. It's painful to find out that a person or belief doesn't live up to the high esteem in which they're held.

I had enjoyed Art's show when he was on coast, I was much younger and more curious about his subject matter. I wasn't as interested this time around and grew tired of the drama. No hard feelings necessary, but don't blame me for watching and commenting as the saga continues- after all, we've been invited in. 

[DesertFox]

Are you drunk? Or is English your second language?

As far as my being a mind reader, no but I can see patterns in others behaviors. I would question why you seem to believe any old story that you are told when there are holes large enough to drive through. As long as there are True Believers such as yourself posting your defense, there will be those that oppose the Kool Aid drinking. Both sides are equally free to share their views.

There you go again--throw the insults out when others disagree.  I'm either drunk, don't understand English or a kool aid drinker.  I don't know what happened this time with Art--so I'm not buying any story.  Fine with both sides saying what they want but this need to say if others disagree with you they are dupes or fools or whatever is lame.

[DarKPenguiN]

The issue is not that Art would quit--I predicted that too.  The issues is some saying this means Art is a sociopath or cares nothing about others except himself.  Those are silly declarations about someone we don't know and can't see inside him.

I think the pattern screams sociopath.

From the way he walked away from his first wife and child, to the never ending quitting and drama and stringing along his fans and everything in between.

Honestly, the way he left his first family alone is enough imho to see that he has very little compassion/humanity. The rest is just icing on the sociopath cake.

I'm not a shrink either- So who knows? Maybe he is the most honest, loving, compassionate , good natured human being who has a conscience. I wouldnt bet on it though.

Its all speculation though at this point. We'll never know so thats what we're left with.

You either look at the big picture and decide Art is the victim yet again- Or you see someone who tries to play the victim card every single time. Truth is, we can only guess.

[phrodo]

As an old D&D player ... 

You really are pathetic .. D&D?? Seriously?? You're the loser. Are you still living in your mom's basement?

You're so happy that all you do is bitch, moan and complain about Art endlessly. Yep .. you're a regular bundle of fucking joy ain't ya??

And who knows what part of the property Art took the picture with his daughter. Surely he didn't walk her all the way over to the guest house/studio gate where he got shot at. More likely they just stepped outside for a moment to snap a quick pic .. but that wouldn't fit into your projected theory now would it? FFS  :

[DesertFox]

I think the pattern screams sociopath.

From the way he walked away from his first wife and child, to the never ending quitting and drama and stringing along his fans and everything in between.

Honestly, the way he left his first family alone is enough imho to see that he has very little compassion/humanity. The rest is just icing on the sociopath cake.

I'm not a shrink either- So who knows? Maybe he is the most honest, loving, compassionate , good natured human being who has a conscience. I wouldnt bet on it though.

Its all speculation though at this point. We'll never know so thats what we're left with.

You either look at the big picture and decide Art is the victim yet again- Or you see someone who tries to play the victim card every single time. Truth is, we can only guess.

I think Art is kind of screwy(a talented though maybe neurotic dude) but sociopath seems way too far...it's easy to think the worst.  Could be right but I very much doubt it.

[K_Dubb]

This has been an interesting experience and I don't mean to be insensitive to any here who are upset about it all, but it's what happens when fans get too close a look at their hero. It's painful to find out that a person or belief doesn't live up to the high esteem in which they're held.

It's interesting, the hero with the tragic flaw has been a common motif in literature for centuries.  Sometimes I think those old guys were more sophisticated than we are.

[zmbabwe]

Honestly, the way he left his first family alone is enough imho to see that he has very little compassion/humanity. The rest is just icing on the sociopath cake.

What?  I thought his wife died. 

[Freyja]

Automatically overreacting to the negative is just as bad as doing it toward the positive.  Nothing in that message shows Art less likely to come back.  Just gives some a chance to whine without any real new news.

Really??? Are you able to comprehend the written word?!?!

Art Bell
18 hrs ·

I don't want to give anybody false hope that I am coming back because I have had enough come backs and this one was screwed up by my own words which were said at a time when frankly I was scared, stressed out and had not slept for some time, so it's on me all the way.

However I do feel that those who want to see MITD continue need to support the show which is just $4.99 a Month. Heather is doing a great job and improving every day. She is dedicated to exploring the Paranormal and having a alternative on the air is golden in my view.

Art

[GravitySucks]

...

I had enjoyed Art's show when he was on coast, I was much younger and more curious about his subject matter. I wasn't as interested this time around and grew tired of the drama. No hard feelings necessary, but don't blame me for watching and commenting as the saga continues- after all, we've been invited in. 

You are always welcome pyewacket.

I blame Jazmunda (The Destroyer). Things were going great until he started that BellPhiles podcast. 😎

[Inglorious Bitch]

I'm either drunk, don't understand English or a kool aid drinker. 

Re-read your post that I quoted. It really doesn't make sense the first read around.

[Ciardelo]

Is it so hard just to pay Art his $4.99? Come on, that's less than you people pay for your Starbucks coffee you all swill down.