Art Bell

[Skunk Ape]

Taking a break from the state of MitD, has anyone seen the movie "Shadow People?" Seemed they got, at least partially, the idea from Art's old shadow people shows.

Here's a brief synopsis,

"A radio talk show host unravels a conspiracy about encounters with mysterious beings known as The Shadow People and their role in the unexplained deaths of several hundred victims in the 1980s."

Now as it is a lazy Sunday at the house, I'm going to sit back and enjoy what is surely a horrible movie. Reports will follow later today.

EDIT: I'm aware that anyone could find a link back to Art with most paranormal horror movies. He also is only separated by 2 degrees with Kevin Bacon.

[Tarbaby]

I have seen that "news" segment as a bit embarrassing for the show due to the guy's chronic mispronunciation of common words. I mean, how out-of-touch does someone have to be to not know how to pronounce Beyonce'?

as far as that goes, how out of touch does a parent have to be to name her kid Beyoncé

[EarthAlien007]

Taking a break from the state of MitD, has anyone seen the movie "Shadow People?" Seemed they got, at least partially, the idea from Art's old shadow people shows.

Here's a brief synopsis,

"A radio talk show host unravels a conspiracy about encounters with mysterious beings known as The Shadow People and their role in the unexplained deaths of several hundred victims in the 1980s."

Now as it is a lazy Sunday at the house, I'm going to sit back and enjoy what is surely a horrible movie. Reports will follow later today.

EDIT: I'm aware that anyone could find a link back to Art with most paranormal horror movies. He also is only separated by 2 degrees with Kevin Bacon.

Yeah, I've seen it and the radio host in the movie is totally modeled after Art.

[Skunk Ape]

Yeah, I've seen it and the radio host in the movie is totally modeled after Art.

So far he's chain smoking and not screening calls

[Skunk Ape]

So far he's chain smoking and not screening calls

Needs more ABBA

[K_Dubb]

I apologize if this has been covered already back when Art made his announcement about not adding commercials:  does "selling out" in that context suggest anything other than simply adding breaks?  Is he worried advertisers will try to exert other kinds of control?

If it's just commercial time at stake I'd willingly endure them to get Art on more stations and more listeners.  As others have pointed out, when the news segment was introduced I assumed this was a clever way to add streaming content while giving stations the choice to opt out and schedule more commercials.

[coaster]

I think he wants to have a small, managable show/network, and he is worried about losing any control. I say make it as big as you can, and when he is finally ready to call it quits, sell it.

[castromiller]

Taking a break from the state of MitD, has anyone seen the movie "Shadow People?" Seemed they got, at least partially, the idea from Art's old shadow people shows.

Here's a brief synopsis,

"A radio talk show host unravels a conspiracy about encounters with mysterious beings known as The Shadow People and their role in the unexplained deaths of several hundred victims in the 1980s."

Now as it is a lazy Sunday at the house, I'm going to sit back and enjoy what is surely a horrible movie. Reports will follow later today.

EDIT: I'm aware that anyone could find a link back to Art with most paranormal horror movies. He also is only separated by 2 degrees with Kevin Bacon.

I had never heard of it before now, I just watched the trailer, it looks pretty good.  Most modern horror movies fail to grab my interest.  Is it available on Netflix and Amazon Prime?

[PaulAtreides]

He could have had one wrote and released it before the return of his show.

Perhaps edited as well.

[Skunk Ape]

Is it available on Netflix and Amazon Prime?

Sadly it is not.
$8 on Amazon Instant Video and iTunes
Or find a less-than-legal copy

It hasn't sucked the way I was assuming it would.
They did something similar to "The Fourth Kind" where they splice in "real" footage with the rest of the movie. Fourth Kind did it better.

[chefist]

Sadly it is not.
$8 on Amazon Instant Video and iTunes
Or find a less-than-legal copy

It hasn't sucked the way I was assuming it would.
They did something similar to "The Fourth Kind" where they splice in "real" footage with the rest of the movie. Fourth Kind did it better.

It's pretty good so far...the character is not Art, but smart enough to be so...way too smart to be JC...nothing repulsive like Dave...it's not that bad really...I'm still watching!

[Faustina]

guys, Art wants you to do the work and isnt going to do long form interviews...enjoy the clips of shows he has done.

An hour isn't long form, but it's sufficient.  He did nearly an hour interview on Batchelor's show, if you don't count the commercial breaks (those gave Art plenty of time to relax and compose his concentration).  If Art goes on Ground Zero, I feel an hour would be sufficient.  (And, despite that Clyde will be on Art's show, I feel it would definitely be beneficial for Art to go on Clyde's as well.  Clyde will be interviewing ART, hopefully asking interesting questions about his life, and ART will be interviewing CLYDE when he comes on MITD). 

[Faustina]

Taking a break from the state of MitD, has anyone seen the movie "Shadow People?" Seemed they got, at least partially, the idea from Art's old shadow people shows.

Here's a brief synopsis,

"A radio talk show host unravels a conspiracy about encounters with mysterious beings known as The Shadow People and their role in the unexplained deaths of several hundred victims in the 1980s."

Now as it is a lazy Sunday at the house, I'm going to sit back and enjoy what is surely a horrible movie. Reports will follow later today.

EDIT: I'm aware that anyone could find a link back to Art with most paranormal horror movies. He also is only separated by 2 degrees with Kevin Bacon.

I take it that is this movie?  Sounds interesting.  It has pretty good reviews on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Shadow-People-Dallas-Roberts/dp/B00BNWU48M/ref=sr_1_1?s=instant-video&ie=UTF8&qid=1440968654&sr=1-1&keywords=shadow+people&pebp=1440968658227&perid=0Y0FRBM15HCEVVXXQX1G

[Skunk Ape]

It's pretty good so far...the character is not Art, but smart enough to be so...way too smart to be JC...nothing repulsive like Dave...it's not that bad really...I'm still watching!

It wasn't bad. And they represented the phenomena pretty accurately as far as I know. Other than the people dying lol. But for all I know people who die in their sleep could've seen shadows running around their room.

[Skunk Ape]

I take it that is this movie?  Sounds interesting.  It has pretty good reviews on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Shadow-People-Dallas-Roberts/dp/B00BNWU48M/ref=sr_1_1?s=instant-video&ie=UTF8&qid=1440968654&sr=1-1&keywords=shadow+people&pebp=1440968658227&perid=0Y0FRBM15HCEVVXXQX1G

Yep that's the movie. IMDB shows the average rating to be 2.8 out of 10, but I personally think it was better than that. Really played up the power of placebo.

[SaucyRossy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mPIuY9szro

The guy in the movie has UNSCREENED OPEN LINES.

I'm sold.

[Faustina]

I wonder when Art will have David Paulides on MITD?  That's a show I really want to hear.  (Btw, David will be on The Other Show tonight,.... George KNAPP is hosting, thank the gods that be).

[AppealPlay]

I wonder when Art will have David Paulides on MITD?  That's a show I really want to hear.  (Btw, David will be on The Other Show tonight,.... George KNAPP is hosting, thank the gods that be).

So want Knapp as the MITD weekend host...him or Louisiana Howard.

[trostol]

I wonder when Art will have David Paulides on MITD?  That's a show I really want to hear.  (Btw, David will be on The Other Show tonight,.... George KNAPP is hosting, thank the gods that be).

i think they just did a show together like a month or so ago..love listening to Paulides but too much too soon for me at meast

[Skunk Ape]

I wonder when Art will have David Paulides on MITD?  That's a show I really want to hear.  (Btw, David will be on The Other Show tonight,.... George KNAPP is hosting, thank the gods that be).

May be worth checking out the unofficial c2c rss feed tomorrow after listening to Friday's MitD.

[PING]

A few random points. My $0.02 is worth even less that Jazmundas…

Even if Art is doing it as a labor of love and for the fun of it, he still has expenses. Streaming costs, plus Keith and Redacted/Heather, as much as they may love & admire Art, aren’t doing this for free. They have to be paid.

It may be just me, but a few comments Art has made recently makes me think that he’s itching to go head to head with Dave. If so there’s only one way to do that: on terrestrial radio. Yeah I know radio’s a dead medium, but bear with me:

1. I agree with some of the others. Ditch the paranormal news, give that time (maybe an extra 3 minutes to make it more appealing, but still way less commercials than Dave) to the stations to do commercials to make it more enticing & financially viable.

2. I hate to be negative, but all of us tweeting/facebooking etc isn't going to do a lot for the numbers, unless one of the Kardashians is lurking here & tweets about Art.. Podcasting/streaming is different from traditional radio. You have to seek it out vs being in the car (or truck), surfing stations and coming across something you like (which is how I'm guessing most of us first discovered Art.)

3. The late-night timeslots (especially on east coast) are dead air. They’re generally rebroadcasts of daytime shows/syndicated stuff time shifted or colon cleanse infomercials. With a few tweaks, it could be appealing to stations to have a live overnight show. The stations would promote it; perhaps Art doing stations IDs and interviews with morning & afternoon drive time hosts (more exposure).

4. More exposure could/should translate into more subscribers, as well as a larger caller base

5.This won’t happen but I want to pitch it anyway: 4 hours. First hour Art does news/(some current events, some paranormal), and some calls. Then hour 2 onward can be the guest, like in the old days of the show.

6. Art, tell me to go get bent, keep doing what you're doing and just have fun. You're getting my $5/month for as long as you're here.

Thanks for reading. Now I’ll go back to making obscure movie quotes & pro rasslin’ references

[TigerLily]

i think they just did a show together like a month or so ago..love listening to Paulides but too much too soon for me at meast

This is new "urban" research, so I expect all new stories.

[Uncle Duke]

They're just beholden to the old-school publishing industry and didn't keep up.

Few care. Amazon lets you attribute your publisher to whomever you wish. Just set up a site that looks like an indie publisher, name it whatever -- Bellgab Publishing, since 1869 or whatever and fill in the box on Amazon and the vast majority won't get it. Only the media and book people look at who published something or whether you're under a major publisher or not, readers don't care.

65% on e-books, POD books much less but still more substantial than if you're under an agent and publisher. Here are the rules:

https://www.createspace.com/Products/Book/Royalties.jsp

Standardized. I write under a pen name for a real publisher, but did one book under my own name using the Amazon method and the fact is I made good money. It's all about working the system and not being egotistical. The real gold is being able to reach a social media audience to promote such a book and get your people to buy your book. Art's got that. If he wants to bring in 20-40 grand quick, well, spend a few months kicking out a book.

Most enlightening, thanks for the taking the time to explain some of the process.  Just a comment and a question. 

The majority of the guys we hear whining on C2C and similar shows about making little money on their books self-publish, so not sure they are beholden to the old school industry.  I think their problem is poor marketing to, at best, a niche market.

The quick $20-40K you said Art could make,  how many actual books sold would that take, assuming a book selling for $19.95?

[Surmo]

One difference between the technical issues before with Dark Matter and the technical issues now is back then they were beyond Art's control at Sirius.  It's got to be a lot less frustrating for him to know that, while annoying, he has the power to address and fix them

Excellent point!  That is why I can look at the existing technical issues with complacency, as I am reasonably confident they will be taken care of, one day at a time.

[Jamal Abanane]

Well holy fuck'n shit. I finally got a chance to listen to the latest Gabcast and heard my lil Dave Jagoff clip...lol...woot woot as the kidz say these days...haha. Thanks Eddie, Onan and y'all fer playin' it and talkin bout me...i was walkin to work while listening and was all blushy and laughin' out loud literally as passers-by looked at me sideways.

K, that dude with the tranny story...fuckin' hilarious and whats-her-name from winnipeg (we call it winterpeg cuz it gets friggin' cold there)...her too...her timing was pretty good for a guest once she clued into what her role was gonna be...

The best thing to hear was Art laughing at all this...was comedy gold where ya didn't expect it...

Beautiful

K, l8r

[Juan]

Most enlightening, thanks for the taking the time to explain some of the process.  Just a comment and a question. 

The majority of the guys we hear whining on C2C and similar shows about making little money on their books self-publish, so not sure they are beholden to the old school industry.  I think their problem is poor marketing to, at best, a niche market.

The quick $20-40K you said Art could make,  how many actual books sold would that take, assuming a book selling for $19.95?

It is poor marketing, but folks can't agree on what makes good marketing.  It almost seems that any marketing plan sells books if the author works diligently at it.  $19.95 is far too much for a book - you're thinking traditional publishers.  Amazon recommends $9.99 as a price point that sells the most books and makes the most money.  Ebooks do better at even less.

[chefist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mPIuY9szro

The guy in the movie has UNSCREENED OPEN LINES.

I'm sold.

Getting better! I like how they portrayed the show getting more popular with a "special" show...just like Art! It was Knapp and Lazar that really accelerated his show back in the 90's...

[CornyCrow]

Most recent comments:
". . .A lot of people don't like PayPal for whatever reasons and therefore won't subscribe. They want to run a business, they should have credit card payments available.

He's running an internet show, of course he's not going to get nearly the same numbers as if he were on terrestrial radio with hundreds of affiliates. If he wants to get bigger he's got to learn to compromise. Allow for more commercial air time so more radio stations will pick up the show. Instead of paranormal news every half hour radio stations could run commercials in those spots. People listening online could still hear the paranormal news and on radio they would hear the station's commercials. Heck! My local station doesn't even run the Coast commercials. They run their own and very often they run into the show." Shared from an anonymous source.

Speculation here, but I suspect the large networks may have given him the choice of either more commercials or get more listeners (which would enable them to charge more for the commercials that they COULD carry with Art's restrictions). 

So, if we could get more listeners, Art would have more bargaining power with the big boys and still keep his standards high. 

[CornyCrow]

That's not necessarily true, if you love what you are doing then it should always be fun even when you don't turn a profit.  When you are following your passions like Art is with radio then making money is a happy side effect.

I think that it would have to at the very least break even.  I cannot see this as an out of pocket hobby for Art.  It's not something he can take up and put down when the mood strikes him.  There will be days when his family may need him or his health is not perfect and still he will be broadcasting.  It's a commitment.  I think, even though he loves it, that he should be getting some monetary benefit from what he's doing. 

I also think he's very competitive.  He wants to build, but on his terms.  I hope this pans out for him - and us.

[chefist]

Art's a big Lightfoot fan...so am I..but I always found this funny...


https://youtu.be/kZlrrwUIwcE