Started by sillydog, April 07, 2008, 11:21:45 PM
Quote from: pyewacket on August 16, 2015, 08:56:44 AMI happily left this course as I did Catholicism and feel that I'm a better person for it. I do like Buddhism as it is more compatible with science. I don't know if there is anything for us after this physical life, but I'm thinking that we'd all be better off ridding ourselves of beliefs that keep us bound to ego and power and materialism. Maybe we'd have a chance to create a more liveable world for everyone.
Quote from: Unscreened Caller on August 16, 2015, 10:44:44 AM being bound to ego, power and materialism keeps us enslaved and unhappy.
Quote from: Unscreened Caller on August 16, 2015, 10:40:56 AMOÃ¹ Ã©tiez-vous?
Quote from: Cwn Annwn on August 16, 2015, 09:51:16 AMThis stuff is really fascinating. I don't think we should be too put off by evidence being anecdotal. Everything is anecdotal to us unless we've had direct experience, and that accounts for a huge portion of most people's (putatively justified) beliefs.
Quote from: jazmunda on August 16, 2015, 10:50:32 AMOpio. Pouvez-vous me diriger vers le plus proche des toilettes?
Quote from: Unscreened Caller on August 16, 2015, 10:44:44 AM: being bound to ego, power and materialism keeps us enslaved and unhappy.
Quote from: SredniVashtar on August 16, 2015, 08:53:29 AMLook, I'm sure we have all faced tough times in the past but that sort of thing just masks the pain, it doesn't actually help. If you delude and drug yourself with something like religion because reality is biting too hard then you are denying yourself the chance to actively change your situation.
Quote from: FightTheFuture on August 16, 2015, 07:56:47 AMInteresting. Are there people trying to impose their ideas on you? Who are they, and in what prison are they now serving a lengthy sentence?
Quote from: SciFiAuthor on August 16, 2015, 11:44:21 AM, but of course there are those out there imposing their whims on society regarding that.
Quote from: FightTheFuture on August 16, 2015, 10:15:33 AMPerhaps you should exercise a bit more discretion in picking your friends.
Quote from: Unscreened Caller on August 16, 2015, 10:44:44 AMHi pye! Hope the vacation isn't going to be an extended on, 'cos you'd be missed.I find myself a lot happier free from the Catholicism of my youth and adulthood, too. It's interesting that Joseph Campbell, an ex-Catholic himself, chose Buddhism after studying the mythologies of the world for a lifetime. You nailed it: being bound to ego, power and materialism keeps us enslaved and unhappy.
Quote from: pyewacket on August 16, 2015, 08:56:44 AM<snip>I totally agree with this statement. When I was active on this "path" I met all sorts and the ones most obsessed with power were the most egotistic and the ones most likely to use you or harm you to get themselves further ahead in this delusion. No different than political and corporate types clawing their way to the top.I happily left this course as I did Catholicism and feel that I'm a better person for it. I do like Buddhism as it is more compatible with science. I don't know if there is anything for us after this physical life, but I'm thinking that we'd all be better off ridding ourselves of beliefs that keep us bound to ego and power and materialism. Maybe we'd have a chance to create a more liveable world for everyone.
Quote from: jazmunda on August 16, 2015, 09:00:13 AMI heard Art Bell quit Coast. Too soon?
QuoteI haven't been feeling very cerebral lately, and I can't articulate as well or as intellectually as those who have been posting. However, I have long had some simple thoughts on the subject which I think are relevant.There are two types of truth, and neither is mutually exclusive. Some folks focus on seeking the first type of truth, while others devote themselves to the second.The first truth we seek is the truth about our reality. The one reality so far as we know; otherwise known as the Universe. We call this scientific truth or materialism. At its heart it is physics. This is the truth about how everything in our Universe works and how it must work. The rules are pretty simple: four fundamental forces; conservation of momentum and energy; Newton's second law that mechanical force is equal to the rate change of momentum; the creation of entropy in any real process; four dimensions; and a handful of universal constants. For human scale processes and structures, this pretty much describes everything that ever happens. These rules appear to have no exceptions, for if they did have exceptions the Sun would collapse or explode, your car wouldn't start reliably, and the cells in your body would die.The second truth we seek is the truth about the greater reality. That is, the Universe that surrounds and gives life to this one, if it exists at all. For instance, let's say I want to run from my house to the road. In my reality I have to expend energy and pass over every single foot of the concrete in sequence. In the greater reality, the same process may merely involve moving my ones and zeroes around in a stick of ram (imagine playing an MMORPG -- the character's universe vs yours). We call truth about this greater reality spiritualism or mysticism. The beauty and trouble with the greater reality is that it could be anything you want it to be. It could be the Christian vision of heaven, or it could be a place where the Earth is actually flat and is held up by four elephants on the back of a turtle (and we only perceive it as an oblate spheroid). Scientific truth probably cannot reveal anything about this greater universe because we are limited to the tools of our own reality. A character in a role playing game cannot use her virtual telescope to look out of the monitor at you.Some claim they have access to the greater reality by means of prophets, or miracles, or visions, or some form of extra-sensory perception. I have no right to dismiss that. Nonetheless, personally I can't swallow the idea that we can directly interact with this greater reality because we have not discovered any organs or neural nuclei that would allow us to do this. The brain is a very mechanical, cause-and-effect structure. It is essentially divided into three types of tasks: processing of sensory input, formulating a response, and issuing the response. As of yet we have discovered no sensory organs for receiving information from the aether, and no neural nuclei for processing that information. Of the four lobe pairs in our cortex, we have one more-or-less devoted to processing visual input. I would think extra-sensory input would deserve no less.Personally I live according to the scientific truth. Well, we all do really. If we did not, regardless of what the greater reality may be like, we might end up walking off a cliff because we decided we lived in a two-dimensional hologram. I came to all this after someone once asked me how I knew I was alive. I thought about it. My solution was I don't know but it's a belief that has always worked for me. There may be a greater reality where I'm really not alive. Nevertheless in this reality I think, therefore I am.The scientific truth allows our kind to create airplanes, microwave ovens, and skyscrapers, and allows the agricultural, distribution, and waste management practices that can sustain 7.3 billion souls rather than 0.3 billion. That doesn't mean I don't have an interest in finding out about the greater reality. I guess that is what Art Bell is all about.
Quote from: SredniVashtar on August 16, 2015, 07:41:57 AMIt's a personal preference, that's all, not something so grandiloquent as 'your own truth'. I don't know what point you are trying to make here. ...
Quote from: jazmunda on August 16, 2015, 09:05:11 AMJust a bit of 2010 humour.
Quote from: Georgie For President 2216 on August 16, 2015, 12:53:24 PMI wrote this long and rambling response last night when I was half asleep but didn't post it. If you feel like reading it knock yourselves out .
Quote from: SaucyRossy on August 16, 2015, 01:15:19 PMJaz!!!!! You've been missed!
Quote from: phrodo on August 16, 2015, 01:16:22 PMI like it and like how you tie it into the topic of ART BELL at the end. This thread has gone WAY off the rails. Thanks Jaz for a humorous attempt to re-rail it. You really should post here more often.
Quote from: pyewacket on August 16, 2015, 01:46:23 PMI agree- this thread does veered off topic from time to time. That is to expected when discussing the topics that Art talks about on his show. Have any of you changed your mind about a guest/topic from Art's old shows? I remember the Harlot show from years ago and I was creeped out by it. I listened to it recently and found it laughable- she sounded like an Evangelical employing the same tactics used in their hell houses on Halloween. I used to think she was a disturbed person; now I think she's a religious person acting out her interpretation of an evil woman, "Harlot" ( biblical reference?) www.religioustolerance.org/hallo_he.htm
Quote from: jazmunda on August 16, 2015, 01:51:08 PMI missed BellGab! I almost don't recognize the place.
Quote from: SciFiAuthor on August 16, 2015, 01:56:57 PMSomeone's been messing around with the drapes again. Did you listen to Art while you were away? Been some pretty solid shows lately.
Quote from: chinaclipper on August 16, 2015, 02:06:35 PMsoo many Aussies calling in Jaz. You will have to reassert your authority/station!!
Quote from: jazmunda on August 16, 2015, 02:15:17 PMI haven't been listening live due to the morning timeslot in Europe but I have been listening to select shows and will eventually catch up. Art is at the top of his game. These are great times. We are very blessed. Praise MV. Click on an Ad.