Art Bell

[SredniVashtar]

God existed before there was anything.

How convenient.

And followed up with a threat. You all revert to type in the end.

Again, using someone who wants to prove what he already believes is not my idea of science and truth. It's all playing with syllogisms and beneath contempt. I bet you are on W Lane Craig's email list too.

[WildCard]

Even after all the shows on the subject, it wasn't until I read this post that I realized people thought OBE's were something other than a creation of the mind.  I knew mine were simply that (I had a handful as a kid).  I thought they were an interesting phenomenon that I later found many experienced, but not physically real, so I must have breezed over that part during the interviews.

People think they are something other than a kind of interesting dream?

Were you more awake than in an ordinary dream?

Three's an open debate about OBEs being anything more than a lucid dream.

[shell88]

And who 'created' God?

  Who created the question?

[FightTheFuture]

How convenient.

And followed up with a threat. You all revert to type in the end.

Again, using someone who wants to prove what he already believes is not my idea of science and truth. It's all playing with syllogisms and beneath contempt. I bet you are on W Lane Craig's email list too.

Why do you call that a threat? It`s my belief that we all will stand before our creator. Frankly, I can`t wait. I`m curious about a lot of things to which I believe answers will be given.

[WildCard]

I can`t speak to OBE`s, but NDE`s seem to be somewhat similar. This is one of hundreds -- if not thousands -- documented by Dr. Habermas. It`s quite compelling.

I can't speak for either. But, if I only 1 card to play in the debate with skeptics it'd be NDE's. Anecdotal evidence, I know. But, when you have that much anecdotal evidence . . . makes you want to think.

FTF, check this out: http://www.skeptiko.com/112-gary-habermas-skeptical-of-near-death-experience-spirituality/

[FightTheFuture]

How convenient.

And followed up with a threat. You all revert to type in the end.

Again, using someone who wants to prove what he already believes is not my idea of science and truth. It's all playing with syllogisms and beneath contempt. I bet you are on W Lane Craig's email list too.

Did you watch the video? It`s all about science.

Look, science is the best friend of Christianity! It seems every year, more and more, science proves the existence of God. I think it`s rather exciting.

[Ms. C]

  Who created the question?

I know who your avatar is!    Love it     'Mary Hartman Mary Hartman'

[Yorkshire pud]

Why do you call that a threat? It`s my belief that we all will stand before our creator. Frankly, I can`t wait. I`m curious about a lot of things to which I believe answers will be given.

Take Catholicism (It can be most other religions); Children, yep children are told form very early on that almost anything they do is a sin. I went to a wedding recently that was happy clappy stuff...Oh dear me! We (The congregation) were told in no uncertain terms how much we'd sinned (as had the bride and groom) and how much Jesus would welcome our repentance..

Who the fuck is this deity to tell me I've sinned? By what measure? And who is this sanctimonious arrogant twat to tell me by proxy that I'm a sinner?

[Cwn Annwn]

I can't speak for either. But, if I only 1 card to play in the debate with skeptics it'd be NDE's. Anecdotal evidence, I know. But, when you have that much anecdotal evidence . . . makes you want to think.

FTF, check this out: http://www.skeptiko.com/112-gary-habermas-skeptical-of-near-death-experience-spirituality/

This stuff is really fascinating. I don't think we should be too put off by evidence being anecdotal. Everything is anecdotal to us unless we've had direct experience, and that accounts for a huge portion of most people's (putatively justified) beliefs.

[chefist]

I'm always sceptical of any organization or individual that requires payment for the promise of peace/satisfaction/everlasting life:

1. Organized Religions and palm readers and sooth sayers
2. Political parties and movements
3. Corporations and their products/services
4. Self Help Gurus
5. And so on...

HOWEVER, regardless of this fact, as long as they are not breaking any laws, then I defend their right to exist. That is why we have the 1st amendment to the constitution in the US...two countries tried state enforced atheism...Revolutionary Mexico in 1917 and the Soviet Union...both movements failed miserably...

[Lilith]

I'm always sceptical of any organization or individual that requires payment for the promise of peace/satisfaction/everlasting life:

1. Organized Religions and palm readers and sooth sayers
2. Political parties and movements
3. Corporations and their products/services
4. Self Help Gurus
5. And so on...

HOWEVER, regardless of this fact, as long as they are not breaking any laws, then I defend their right to exist. That is why we have the 1st amendment to the constitution in the US...two countries tried state enforced atheism...Revolutionary Mexico in 1917 and the Soviet Union...both movements failed miserably...

That about sums it up!! 

[FightTheFuture]

I can't speak for either. But, if I only 1 card to play in the debate with skeptics it'd be NDE's. Anecdotal evidence, I know. But, when you have that much anecdotal evidence . . . makes you want to think.

FTF, check this out: http://www.skeptiko.com/112-gary-habermas-skeptical-of-near-death-experience-spirituality/

It`s a fascinating phenomenon, to be sure. I make no claims that NDEs are proof of anything other than -- in some cases -- miracles. But I do love me some miracles.

[chefist]

Just a bit of 2010 humour. 

Welcome back! Were you on a "Walk About", 2 month Australian vacation, or incarcerated? :-)

[FightTheFuture]

I'm always sceptical of any organization or individual that requires payment for the promise of peace/satisfaction/everlasting life:

ABSOFREAKINLUTELY! Total agreement!

[jazmunda]

Welcome back! Were you on a "Walk About", 2 month Australian vacation, or incarcerated? :-)

There was no option for all of the above.

[wr250]

Welcome back! Were you on a "Walk About", 2 month Australian vacation, or incarcerated? :-)

he was kidnapped by drop bears and forced to listen to a koala for 2 months lol.
a yowie found him, felt sorry for him , and turned jaz loose again upon the world.

[FightTheFuture]

I went to a wedding recently that was happy clappy stuff...Oh dear me! We (The congregation) were told in no uncertain terms how much we'd sinned (as had the bride and groom) and how much Jesus would welcome our repentance..

Perhaps you should exercise a bit more discretion in picking your friends.

[jazmunda]

he was kidnapped by drop bears and forced to listen to a koala for 2 months lol.
a yowie found him, felt sorry for him , and turned jaz loose again upon the world.

Where did the 2 months come from? My last post prior to today was just over 2 weeks ago. BellGab years?

[Lilith]

There was no option for all of the above.

I'm just happy you're baaaack!  I missed you! 

I think we should have an emergency GabCast tonight to Celebrate!

[munbeam666]

And who 'created' God?

My cat Moonshine

[chefist]

Where did the 2 months come from? My last post prior to today was just over 2 weeks ago. BellGab years?

LOL...exaggeration to make a point...;-)  more fun that way...

[munbeam666]

It`s a fascinating phenomenon, to be sure. I make no claims that NDEs are proof of anything other than -- in some cases -- miracles. But I do love me some miracles.

I need a miracle every day.....

[wr250]

Where did the 2 months come from? My last post prior to today was just over 2 weeks ago. BellGab years?

yes bellgab time.

[Lilith]

I need a miracle every day.....

We ALL do!  Several in fact.

[wr250]

And who 'created' God?

ceiling cat.

[Skunk Ape]

I heard Art Bell quit Coast. Too soon?

Welcome to BellGab

Post often!

[WildCard]

Just a bit of 2010 humour. 

It's a joke that gets better with time.

[WildCard]

Post often!

Let's not get carried away.

[PB the Deplorable]

Were you more awake than in an ordinary dream?

Three's an open debate about OBEs being anything more than a lucid dream.

I felt completely awake, but I've had a few other dreams during which I also felt completely awake - possibly not to that extent, it's hard to compare for sure so many years later.  They seemed real enough that if I'd known about OBEs at the time I may well have convinced myself they were physically real

[UnscreenedCaller]

I heard Art Bell quit Coast. Too soon?

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