Art Bell

[trostol]

i think really people are just letting the name influence them...if a Wiccan says they cast spells do you feel creepy also?

[starrmtn001]

Hmm.. Good point, Art. Initially she had me going with "live and let live" and "harm ye none" type talk. I was thinking, "Good Lord, I think I might be a Satanist!" But after she started talking about the spells and such, I started to get a creepy sensation that made the hair on my toes itch.

I'll have to listen to that one again. I'll probably be scratching my toes tho.

She seemed to have a lot of angst toward those folks who hold their (different) beliefs as strongly as she holds hers.  That kind of flies in the face of the "live and let live" ideology she claims to have.

[phrodo]

I didn't listen last night and likely won't ever listen to that show. I don't really care what it had to say. Not interested at all. Not saying it's the same but it would be like if it was a show with a child molester that was espousing the benefits of molesting children... not interested -- wouldn't listen. Sell it somewhere else.

[Sumthins Goin On]

Ditto

I didn't listen last night and likely won't ever listen to that show. I don't really care what it had to say. Not interested at all. Not saying it's the same but it would be like if it was a show with a child molester that was espousing the benefits of molesting children... not interested -- wouldn't listen. Sell it somewhere else.

[CornyCrow]

Regional accents are one of the beauties of a language.  There's a difference between mispronunciations out of ignorance and and deviations due to region.  Cultural homogeneity is a tragedy.

Regional accents must be reined back at times.  There are countries in which people claim to speak the same language but cannot understand each other.  It is counterproductive when that happens.

[CornyCrow]

I did something today I never do, I listened to last night's show. What we heard was indeed the REAL thing. She was right in line with what Satan is, a trickster. Check out the part where she said yes, I can cast a spell and then the person goes to Hawaii and something wonderful happens to him. Presented like Satan's Council. Creepy

Art

I think magical works can embellish a human ego.  I think it is at the least unfair competition in a competitive society, in which case you are perhaps harming others for your own benefit.  I also think cursing another just because YOU believe him deserving of it may not be wise.  Our justice system tries much harder to determine innocence or guilt.  If you curse someone and he IS deserving, isn't that just putting more negativity in the world - a bad thing? 

[Dyna-X]

Regional accents must be reined back at times.  There are countries in which people claim to speak the same language but cannot understand each other.  It is counterproductive when that happens.

Back in the golden ages of TV and radio they typically looked for people from the midwest, particularly Chicago for network announcers. The same was true for radio field guys in WWII and Vietnam.

[CornyCrow]

Hmm.. Good point, Art. Initially she had me going with "live and let live" and "harm ye none" type talk. I was thinking, "Good Lord, I think I might be a Satanist!" But after she started talking about the spells and such, I started to get a creepy sensation that made the hair on my toes itch.

I'll have to listen to that one again. I'll probably be scratching my toes tho.

Spells work.  I think a person must have a great moral maturity to use them wisely.  Don't the Jews insist you reach a certain degree of maturity before teaching Kabbalah?  I think this stuff can be very dangerous in the wrong hands.  Look at how they 'got back' at their neighbors who reported them for breaking the law with the lion in the yard.  Clearly, these folks are power mad and do not have adequate control over their lower level emotions.  She is right that other animals are probably living up to the capacity for excellence, but humans are not.  The question to ask is whether they are helping to elevate mankind or bring him down to a lower level. 

[RoseGirl]

I did something today I never do, I listened to last night's show. What we heard was indeed the REAL thing. She was right in line with what Satan is, a trickster. Check out the part where she said yes, I can cast a spell and then the person goes to Hawaii and something wonderful happens to him. Presented like Satan's Council. Creepy

Art

You may be on to something there, Art. I think she had her 'front of house' face on all during the interview. I noticed that every time you tried to press her on the notion of 'what is power' or asked her to explain such things, she went into her canned explanations. And I can tell you for certain....what she put out there in the interview led me to think she knew NOTHING about power or how it works. And I think that is the biggest lie she told all night.

I mean, you don't seriously think these people just put on robes, gather up all their inner hatred and anger in their little 'chamber' and release it to the universe and then be done with it, do you?

In the ancient practices of secret mysticism it is very possible to send that energy in a very real way to specific locations or to specific people. You can't tell me that Blanche and her little troop don't know about such practices. Course they do.

But...they won't ever tell you that.

[starrmtn001]

Ditto

I LOVE your new avatar! 

[Dyna-X]

As far as radio voices and annunciation go Art has a very good one of course and so does Leo.  The ultimate radio voice from the golden days I would say is Ed Herlihy...listen to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4IZVrEpI7E&list=PLU-u5LMrHIeBm887OwfU-LNvA45IfYXZL

[Sumthins Goin On]

Thank You... Thank You.....
I figured the power tubes all aglow, were ok for saying Art was at full power..
But now we all know that, there are other avatars...

I LOVE your new avatar! 

[coaster]

In the ancient practices of secret mysticism it is very possible to send that energy in a very real way to specific locations or to specific people.

Thats silly talk.

[RoseGirl]

Thats silly talk.

Is not.

[Cwn Annwn]

Thats silly talk.

Everything is silly talk to a person who doesn't believe it. That isn't too terribly surprising (or interesting).

[onan]

Everything is silly talk to a person who doesn't believe it. That isn't too terribly surprising (or interesting).

Neither is believing something silly.

[RoseGirl]

Neither is believing something silly.

Sorry Mr. Onan....tis true. Do a little research before you fling mud. Every religion has a lesser known spiritual practice, usually hidden, that relies heavily on what you would call 'magic'. Not silly, very real and very historic and yes...very possible for the mystically and spiritually adept.

[serenity]

Morning everyone.
Tonight on http://KSYL.com starting at 8pm Central time till midnight: Art Bell - Somewhere in Time returns to 5/24/94 for a night of Open Lines with such topics as angels, a new cigarette tax, and stories of the bizarre.
KSYL does have a stream and it can be found on Tune-in. If you are local to Louisiana or if propagation is right it can be found on 970 AM.
Not sure if it's in the archive.

Also if you (like me) are an Old Time Radio guy, from 6pm to 8pm Central, KSYL plays "When Radio Was" Old programs from when radio was king.

[ziznak]

i think really people are just letting the name influence them...if a Wiccan says they cast spells do you feel creepy also?

nope... but thats the thing about magic if you don't believe the shit you are less "castable" lol

[onan]

Sorry Mr. Onan....tis true. Do a little research before you fling mud. Every religion has a lesser known spiritual practice, usually hidden, that relies heavily on what you would call 'magic'. Not silly, very real and very historic and yes...very possible for the mystically and spiritually adept.

No it isn't true. You are not capable of sending white light, to any location. I didn't fling anymore mud than the poster suggesting a skeptical view is boring.

Every religion is wrong or at least making statements that are unverifiable. If one chooses to be kind, that is wonderful. To believe that gives extraordinary powers is silly.

I have done a great deal of research regarding metaphysical concepts for more than four decades, it all leads to wishful thinking. Statistics is boring but explains data much more thoroughly than anecdotal evidence. Are there fascinating stories? yes, but with little to no real evidence. And as much as I would wish to not offend many people on this forum, many of the positions they hold are little more than whimsy, your belief in astrology being the biggest joke among them.

[SredniVashtar]

No it isn't true. You are not capable of sending white light, to any location. I didn't fling anymore mud than the poster suggesting a skeptical view is boring.

Every religion is wrong or at least making statements that are unverifiable. If one chooses to be kind, that is wonderful. To believe that gives extraordinary powers is silly.

I have done a great deal of research regarding metaphysical concepts for more than four decades, it all leads to wishful thinking. Statistics is boring but explains data much more thoroughly than anecdotal evidence. Are there fascinating stories? yes, but with little to no real evidence. And as much as I would wish to not offend many people on this forum, many of the positions they hold are little more than whimsy, your belief in astrology being the biggest joke among them.

I think I heard RoseGirl say something once about science 'knowing nothing', and there are deeper truths that can't be appreciated by rational thinking. The trouble is, when you do that you throw yourself open to every charlatan and crackpot out there. Rationality is all we have as a species and it drives me bloody nuts when I hear people talking about 'magic' as though it is something real, when all the 'evidence' is just the unreliable testimony of a bunch of credulous peasants several centuries or millennia ago.

All the beliefs in magic are rooted in our need to control the natural environment in an era of general ignorance, and religion grows out of that. It wouldn't take much to get the reputation for being a shaman in a primitive culture if you were clever and/or unscrupulous enough - and then everyone starts to believe in magic and you are off with your own little cult. Just reading a few pages of The Golden Bough should convince most people of that pretty simple truth.

[onan]

I think I heard RoseGirl say something once about science 'knowing nothing', and there are deeper truths that can't be appreciated by rational thinking. The trouble is, when you do that you throw yourself open to every charlatan and crackpot out there. Rationality is all we have as a species and it drives me bloody nuts when I hear people talking about 'magic' as though it is something real, when all the 'evidence' is just the unreliable testimony of a bunch of credulous peasants several centuries or millennia ago.

All the beliefs in magic are rooted in our need to control the natural environment in an era of general ignorance, and religion grows out of that. It wouldn't take much to get the reputation for being a shaman in a primitive culture if you were clever and/or unscrupulous enough - and then everyone starts to believe in magic and you are off with your own little cult. Just reading a few pages of The Golden Bough should convince most people of that pretty simple truth.

Carl Sagan wrote in The Dragons of Eden (at least I think that was the book) that many would rather believe than know. And as unlikely as it seems, I would love for us to be able to heal the sick and injured by wishing it. And maybe someday, with advances in science and technology, that may become reality. But if it is to happen, it will be with hard work and discipline. It would be a bonus if kindness and goodwill played a part as well. But kindness and goodwill will not be the vehicle that transports us. However, the trip will be much more enjoyable with those features.

[SredniVashtar]

Carl Sagan wrote in The Dragons of Eden (at least I think that was the book) that many would rather believe than know. And as unlikely as it seems, I would love for us to be able to heal the sick and injured by wishing it. And maybe someday, with advances in science and technology, that may become reality. But if it is to happen, it will be with hard work and discipline. It would be a bonus if kindness and goodwill played a part as well. But kindness and goodwill will not be the vehicle that transports us. However, the trip will be much more enjoyable with those features.

I think you hit the nail on the head there. The big appeal of this sort of 'thinking' is that it requires no real work or corroboration. Try to talk rationally to these sorts of people and you might as well be Charlie Brown's teacher, for all the sense you are making to them. Mysticism is useful sometimes when you are talking about viewing the world from another point of view (one that doesn't involve untestable assumptions about 'magic') but when you start to promote bogus ideas about its effect on the physical environment then you are going way off track. How anyone with a measurable IQ can waste their time with astrology frankly baffles me and just shows how far we have to travel as a species. I think that's part of the reason why I don't think the UFO mystery is going to be answered satisfactorily for aeons to come - we are all so primitive that even if we were told what was happening we would still be too dumb to understand what we were being told.

[Juan]

Belief systems, religious, spiritual, science, are held because of the innate human desire for order. 

We are quickly moving to a society in which not even wishing is required - only clicking "like" on Facebook.

[wr250]

No it isn't true. You are not capable of sending white light, to any location. I didn't fling anymore mud than the poster suggesting a skeptical view is boring.

Every religion is wrong or at least making statements that are unverifiable. If one chooses to be kind, that is wonderful. To believe that gives extraordinary powers is silly.

I have done a great deal of research regarding metaphysical concepts for more than four decades, it all leads to wishful thinking. Statistics is boring but explains data much more thoroughly than anecdotal evidence. Are there fascinating stories? yes, but with little to no real evidence. And as much as I would wish to not offend many people on this forum, many of the positions they hold are little more than whimsy, your belief in astrology being the biggest joke among them.

ya mean cieling cat aint real?

[onan]

ya mean cieling cat aint real?

Ceiling Cat is very real... how dare you!?

[SredniVashtar]

It depends on what branch of the Ceiling Cat faith you belong to. If you are a true believer then I have no problem, but if you are one of those Reformed bastards then I reserve the right to douse you in petrol and incinerate your heretical ass.

[onan]

We are quickly moving to a society in which not even wishing is required - only clicking "like" on Facebook.

Facebook is an insult to any form of intimacy.

[onan]

It depends on what branch of the Ceiling Cat faith you belong to. If you are a true believer then I have no problem, but if you are on of those Reformed bastards then I reserve the right to douse you in petrol and incinerate your heretical ass.

Beheading... I'm old school.

[SredniVashtar]

Facebook is an insult to any form of intimacy.

I am looking for the 'thumbs up' button for this post. MV really has been asleep at the switch recently.