Art Bell

[The General]

Sweet Lord -- Fort Rock's blaming ME!  This is from Facebook when I posted on the People Who Miss Art Bell site saying that I thought Fort Rock was possibly behind the phony Art Bell III site since he faked himself up a second persona here at CoastGab.  Get this:

Hi Kathleen,Douglas Stingley commented on Arthur W. Bell III's Wall post.Douglas wrote: "Ms. Waters, I admit this SITE is a hoax, but I do not run this site!! Therefore there will be no deletion, that's beyond my powers. My banning by Coast Gab is further evidence of this cabel against men seeking mail order brides. Notice that Ms. Waters was the complaint that led to my banning, she as much as admitted such on Coast Gab! Second notice, that us guys have to leave the country to have this marraige. The Immigration And Naturalization Service which gave Art and Airyn so much grief, blocks mail order brides from entering America, even escorted by their American Citizen husbands. That, unless your wealthy and can afford up to $15,000 in legal fees to Immigration Law specialty lawyers. I thirdly notice that Art Bell may never be able to return to the USA and radio, if based in the USA, because of this cabal, including certain religious groups based out of the San Diego, CA. area, the INS, and feminist group members, which includes Ms. Waters!"

Certifiable.

Anagrammy

Everyone who has questioned the authenticity of the 'Arthur W Bell III' facebook page in their posts on his page has been deleted as a friend.  EXCEPT FORT ROCK.  Circumstantial? I think it's pretty concrete proof that Douglas/Fort Rock is the creator of that page, like we have all suspected for so long.  Multiple facebook accounts, multiple coastgab accounts, and probably multiple personalities.

[anagrammy]

Yes, we're so horrible as we blend in with the rest of you and think folks like FR are total nutters...   

I can not stand the fact that man proclaims himself to be the same faith as I am.  It does give me perspective on Christians and the folks from Westboro Baptist Church though..

and maybe a bit of sympathy for any Baptist Christian NOT affiliated with WBC who gets lumped in with the nutballs because they are all Baptist Christians...

We make fun of everyone equally here as far as I can tell.  It's non-PC without being mean spirited, like free speech was meant to be. 

Prayer and casting spells are actually the same thing now that we are beginning to understand the influence of consciousness on matter, so those Baptist Christians and you wiccans are ahead of the curve...   BTW, if you have not seen the movie HORSE BOY, don't miss it.  I've been recommending it to everyone--it's about a Nat Geo hippie type guy who takes his wife and boy to Mongolia to see the reindeer people's shaman to see if the guy can heal his son's autism.

I'd take a wiccan over a Baptist in general just because I like strong women, but you have to admit the music is much better at the Baptist church than at, say, Unity.

Anagrammy

[aldousburbank]

We make fun of everyone equally here as far as I can tell.  It's non-PC without being mean spirited, like free speech was meant to be. 

I dunno, I was mean spirited recently.  Thanks Michael V. for the awesome moderation.  BTW, I accept your spouting off when necessary hombre, feel free.  You are herding cats here with this thing sometimes.  But I hope you find personal pleasure in our cat parade, along with the built in frustration factors.  Thanks for sharing that part of it with us. 

In conclusion: This was a crazy (sometimes F&*kd up) thread in which Jimmy Bob flew our asses into Area Nutjob 51, scratching the mountains a couple of times before pulling up on the stick, just in time to kamikaze in full asinine glory.  Winning!

[EvB]

I'd take a wiccan over a Baptist in general just because I like strong women, but you have to admit the music is much better at the Baptist church than at, say, Unity.

I can relate.


BTW - the WBC is not "Baptist" in the over-arching sense. They make most real Baptists wanna puke, just like they do the vast majority (oh GOD tell me my assumption is correct here)

[aldousburbank]

Prayer and casting spells are actually the same thing now that we are beginning to understand the influence of consciousness on matter

Well, <begin confession> I am one of those flotsam and jetsam cats from the 60's that still thinks consciousness and matter = hand and glove.  That is to say... uh, what were we talking about?  Oh yeah, that's why I don't listen to Noory anymore.  That is some low budget mindfuck spell casting if you ask me.  Huh- did you say something?

[onan]

 

Prayer and casting spells are actually the same thing now that we are beginning to understand the influence of consciousness on matter,Anagrammy

Could you point me in the direction of peer reviewed data on that issue. Everything I have read comes up nill and unsupportive on the supposition.

And to give a bit of background I tought a college course on parapsychology. I am quite familiar with several major contributors to metaphysics.

I get a bit overprotective of the subject because so many misrepresent the data, which in turn sheds more doubt on a feld of study that is seen without credibility by most. If we are to explore the unknown within us we need to be vigilant to precision not whimsy.

[guildnavigator]

Art's coming back because of this, folks. Trust the seashell.

I used to sell weed to a girl who I nicknamed "seashells"


Before making a purchase, every single time, she would require three identical samples of the same strain and weight of cannabis, and then she'd pick up each baggie one at a time and press it to her ear, listening for a minute as if each bag were a seashell. After she finished listening briefly she would put to the side what she did or didn't want to buy. I never asked her what she was listening to or for.


Maybe she has something to do with this.

[EvB]

Before making a purchase, every single time, she would require three identical samples of the same strain and weight of cannabis, and then she'd pick up each baggie one at a time and press it to her ear, listening for a minute as if each bag were a seashell. After she finished listening briefly she would put to the side what she did or didn't want to buy. I never asked her what she was listening to or for.

her EAR, not her NOSE?  Wow - maybe synesthesia, maybe the cannabis fairies spoke to her, or maybe she just smoked to damned much weed.  

PS:  My easter basket smelled really nice this year, and it wasn't the flowers or the chocolate truffles that did it. >WEG<

[Usagi]

If we are to explore the unknown within us we need to be vigilant to precision not whimsy.

Swoon.

[morphiaflow]

Ugh. I really want this all done and over with, but I do feel the need to share this.

There is a NEW "real Art Bell" facebook page at

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001143852663

This person friended the "fake" Art Bell page and made this post:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000138595787

"This is the real Art Bell, The picture lower on this site as well as this site itself are frauds. I have contacted my Lawyer and will contact Facebook as well. Expect to be in court soon."

("the picture lower"...what wonderful syntax)

In addition, I received the following note in my facebook inbox:

"I am contacting my Lawyer as well as Facebook about the fraud involved with the photograph which I was assured would not end up on Facebook, get ready"

This can only refer to the fact that I copy/pasted the "hi people who Miss Art Bell" pic from that group to the fake Art's page.

Also, all of my comments (and those of others) questioning the validity of the "fake" Art Bell page were removed last night.

So now there are TWO fake Arts...ain't life grand?

Let's see how long FR can keep the game going over there...not as long, I expect.

[anagrammy]

Could you point me in the direction of peer reviewed data on that issue. Everything I have read comes up nill and unsupportive on the supposition.

And to give a bit of background I tought a college course on parapsychology. I am quite familiar with several major contributors to metaphysics.

I get a bit overprotective of the subject because so many misrepresent the data, which in turn sheds more doubt on a feld of study that is seen without credibility by most. If we are to explore the unknown within us we need to be vigilant to precision not whimsy.

I already did, on the Ian thread, I think.  Also, the experiments with quantum physics also demonstrate that the preference of the observer influenced the result of the experiments.  The media has been all over this, so I am surprised that you don't already know the sources.  Shoot- if I wanted links, I would probably ask you!

Anagrammy

[anagrammy]

Ugh. I really want this all done and over with, but I do feel the need to share this.

There is a NEW "real Art Bell" facebook page at

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001143852663

This person friended the "fake" Art Bell page and made this post:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000138595787

"This is the real Art Bell, The picture lower on this site as well as this site itself are frauds. I have contacted my Lawyer and will contact Facebook as well. Expect to be in court soon."

("the picture lower"...what wonderful syntax)

In addition, I received the following note in my facebook inbox:

"I am contacting my Lawyer as well as Facebook about the fraud involved with the photograph which I was assured would not end up on Facebook, get ready"

This can only refer to the fact that I copy/pasted the "hi people who Miss Art Bell" pic from that group to the fake Art's page.

Also, all of my comments (and those of others) questioning the validity of the "fake" Art Bell page were removed last night.

So now there are TWO fake Arts...ain't life grand?

Let's see how long FR can keep the game going over there...not as long, I expect.

OMG - It's like All My Children!  Just when you think it's GOT to be the last season, it resurrects itself with a twist that comes out of nowhere and makes you say, "Noooooo way!"   He left her and now he's having a SEX CHANGE operation?   Yeah.  Like that.

Anagrammy

[EvB]

Ugh. I really want this all done and over with, but I do feel the need to share this.

There is a NEW "real Art Bell" facebook page at

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001143852663

This person friended the "fake" Art Bell page and made this post:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000138595787

"This is the real Art Bell, The picture lower on this site as well as this site itself are frauds. I have contacted my Lawyer and will contact Facebook as well. Expect to be in court soon."

("the picture lower"...what wonderful syntax)

In addition, I received the following note in my facebook inbox:

"I am contacting my Lawyer as well as Facebook about the fraud involved with the photograph which I was assured would not end up on Facebook, get ready"

This can only refer to the fact that I copy/pasted the "hi people who Miss Art Bell" pic from that group to the fake Art's page.

Also, all of my comments (and those of others) questioning the validity of the "fake" Art Bell page were removed last night.

So now there are TWO fake Arts...ain't life grand?

Let's see how long FR can keep the game going over there...not as long, I expect.

Interesting, I "friended" both to see what was up for myself (as much as possible anyway) and found Ian & Knapp on the friend list of the first, at least. Now the Knapp account I know nothing about but Ian's account is the real deal - I signed up when he first started it and was talking about it on-air and have chatted with him on FB while he was first setting the page up.

Hmmmm . . .

[Treading Water]

BTW - the WBC is not "Baptist" in the over-arching sense. They make most real Baptists wanna puke, just like they do the vast majority (oh GOD tell me my assumption is correct here)

I'm with you there.  They are nothing more than a (EUPHEMISM ALERT!) "close family" (EUPHEMISM OVER) who's committing tax evasion by hiding behind the name of a church they know nothing about.
They hit a few funerals here in PA.  That is, until a few rather large, leather-clad fellows got organized.  They haven't come back for a while.  Good riddance.

[onan]

I already did, on the Ian thread, I think.  Also, the experiments with quantum physics also demonstrate that the preference of the observer influenced the result of the experiments.  The media has been all over this, so I am surprised that you don't already know the sources.  Shoot- if I wanted links, I would probably ask you!

Anagrammy

Ana it is not my intention to step on your toes. I enjoy your thoughts. But when I asked for peer reviewed material I wasn't clear. The book he wrote that you are writing about is not peer reviewed. At least from what I have found so far. So far the only support I have seen is strictly in the "wow this book changed my life category". That is not a bad thing necessarily. But the criticisms so far are speaking to his equations being misleading if not outright wrong, his schematics for tech are vague and out of focus which is unusual for PDF. When one person criticised his lack of ability to discern what electronic parts were used, Tiller's response was (poorly paraphrased) " so many others have complained similarly, but the results wouldn't have been valid due to..." what I gather is disbelief.

I will continue to research his theory for a few days, but I am not spending bucks on what I believe to be quackery.

With sincere respect
Onan

[anagrammy]

Ana it is not my intention to step on your toes. I enjoy your thoughts. But when I asked for peer reviewed material I wasn't clear. The book he wrote that you are writing about is not peer reviewed. At least from what I have found so far. So far the only support I have seen is strictly in the "wow this book changed my life category". That is not a bad thing necessarily. But the criticisms so far are speaking to his equations being misleading if not outright wrong, his schematics for tech are vague and out of focus which is unusual for PDF. When one person criticised his lack of ability to discern what electronic parts were used, Tiller's response was (poorly paraphrased) " so many others have complained similarly, but the results wouldn't have been valid due to..." what I gather is disbelief.

I will continue to research his theory for a few days, but I am not spending bucks on what I believe to be quackery.

With sincere respect
Onan

Yeah--no, I'm not offended at all, rather I would like your opinion.  If you have an interest, the book and DVDs are available at the library, so no coin involved.  Otherwise (if little interest), don't waste your time.  I have an interest and am going to follow this to see where it goes because the book was written a few years ago now.  It's a fast-moving area, so I'm sure there must be some peer review, critiques, etc.

Best--Ana

[Harmness]

I used to sell weed to a girl who I nicknamed "seashells"


Before making a purchase, every single time, she would require three identical samples of the same strain and weight of cannabis, and then she'd pick up each baggie one at a time and press it to her ear, listening for a minute as if each bag were a seashell. After she finished listening briefly she would put to the side what she did or didn't want to buy. I never asked her what she was listening to or for.


Maybe she has something to do with this.

I think I love this chick.

[Agent : Orange]

... the experiments with quantum physics also demonstrate that the preference of the observer influenced the result of the experiments. 

In quantum mechanics, observers (experimenters) choose which experiment to do and with which variations. These variations change the aspect of the system being measured (ie, do we measure particle-like or wave-like behavior).

The choice of the experimenter *changes the experiment, and therefore* changes the outcome. This is NOT the same as leaving out the part between the asterisks - it's NOT necessarily true to say "the choice of the experimenter changes the outcome" because the experiment itself is changed. There is a huge difference to those two statements though it appears to be a subtle point to most people. Simply put, different questions have different (and very distinct) answers. The problem is that in quantum mechanics sometimes just understanding the question is difficult.

Richard Feynman said that by understanding the double slit experiment you can understand the rest of quantum mechanics. This is a good place to start when it comes to the apparent interaction of quantum measurement and the observer/experimenter. Here's a link to Feynman's lectures on physics, which include the double slit experiment:
http://research.microsoft.com/apps/tools/tuva/index.html#data=4|72036f54-7e17-4435-b972-a18050d5828b||

I do have a problem with how far people take the role of consciousness in quantum mechanics and when it comes to things like this it's easy to become turned around. The questions are very difficult to understand sometimes and the answers even more so. A lot of people use the connection between "consciousness" and "quantum mechanics" to sell new age hokum (more than one that I've heard on Coast) and it really gets to me that these apparent connections are so far from reality when reality itself is that interesting on it's own, without inserting all the unnecessary bs.

Hope I said that clearly.

[anagrammy]

In quantum mechanics, observers (experimenters) choose which experiment to do and with which variations. These variations change the aspect of the system being measured (ie, do we measure particle-like or wave-like behavior).

The choice of the experimenter *changes the experiment, and therefore* changes the outcome. This is NOT the same as leaving out the part between the asterisks - it's NOT necessarily true to say "the choice of the experimenter changes the outcome" because the experiment itself is changed. There is a huge difference to those two statements though it appears to be a subtle point to most people. Simply put, different questions have different (and very distinct) answers. The problem is that in quantum mechanics sometimes just understanding the question is difficult.

Richard Feynman said that by understanding the double slit experiment you can understand the rest of quantum mechanics. This is a good place to start when it comes to the apparent interaction of quantum measurement and the observer/experimenter. Here's a link to Feynman's lectures on physics, which include the double slit experiment:
http://research.microsoft.com/apps/tools/tuva/index.html#data=4|72036f54-7e17-4435-b972-a18050d5828b||

I do have a problem with how far people take the role of consciousness in quantum mechanics and when it comes to things like this it's easy to become turned around. The questions are very difficult to understand sometimes and the answers even more so. A lot of people use the connection between "consciousness" and "quantum mechanics" to sell new age hokum (more than one that I've heard on Coast) and it really gets to me that these apparent connections are so far from reality when reality itself is that interesting on it's own, without inserting all the unnecessary bs.

Hope I said that clearly.

You said it very clearly.  I could improve my statement, however.  What I meant was that the expectation of the observer influenced the same experiment.  In other words, the observers who were expecting a particle saw what they expected and those expecting a wave got their wave.   Am I not understanding correctly?  (if so, go to my website for my special environmental conditioning lamp.....lol)

Anagrammy

[George sucks]

I think a marijuana air freshener would be a money maker. Not being flippant either. I'm talking an air freshener that smells like some high grade sweet smelling cannabis indica. Not the overpowering skunky stuff. Well maybe, most people think that stinks though. But there are some great smelling strains out there.

I'd buy 10 of those air fresheners at a time if they existed. Don't smoke anymore, but used to. I'd hold the bag up to my nose and inhale that aroma, damn. Guy I used to get it from would tell me I was going to smell all the stink out of his weed. Love that smell. Has to be one of the top three aromas, hands down.

Make your millions on marijuana scented air fresheners. I want to buy a bunch. 

[The General]

I think a marijuana air freshener would be a money maker. Not being flippant either. I'm talking an air freshener that smells like some high grade sweet smelling cannabis indica. Not the overpowering skunky stuff. Well maybe, most people think that stinks though. But there are some great smelling strains out there.

I'd buy 10 of those air fresheners at a time if they existed. Don't smoke anymore, but used to. I'd hold the bag up to my nose and inhale that aroma, damn. Guy I used to get it from would tell me I was going to smell all the stink out of his weed. Love that smell. Has to be one of the top three aromas, hands down.

Make your millions on marijuana scented air fresheners. I want to buy a bunch.

Here you go...
http://www.cool-chaos.com/1321.html
But something tells me that this one will smell like dirt.

[EvB]

Here you go...
http://www.cool-chaos.com/1321.html
But something tells me that this one will smell like dirt.

A "scratch and sniff" plug in for web browsers - now THERE is a money maker! 

[Agent : Orange]

You said it very clearly.  I could improve my statement, however.  What I meant was that the expectation of the observer influenced the same experiment.  In other words, the observers who were expecting a particle saw what they expected and those expecting a wave got their wave.   Am I not understanding correctly?  (if so, go to my website for my special environmental conditioning lamp.....lol)

This is not the case. No matter what the experimenter *expects* to see, experiments that illustrate the phenomena of the quantum world frequently do not behave the way experimenters expect at all. In fact the simplest case - the double slit experiment, which is discussed in lecture 6 of the Feynman link I put up - shows this exactly. The results are completely non-intuitive and were totally unexpected when the effect was first observed. Nature doesn't necessarily care about our notions of common sense or what we think should happen when we ask questions of it.

Though it's a "lecture" these talks are considered classics, they're a gold mine of well explained and very interesting physics explained by a nobel prize winning scientists in common language. Feynman's descriptions are so concise and clearly presented each one is a gem on it's own. If you have a chance check them out if you're interested in this kind of stuff.

In any case, because quantum mechanics involves probability it's often interpreted to mean "whatever can happen does happen" and that consciousness has an effect in selecting these events. Often this is used to sell vitamin supplements and magnetic bracelets, which is why it gets under my skin so badly. It has often been used in some very questionable experimental procedures meant to show a variety of paranormal results as well. Again, many of which are favorites of Coast guests.

I feel like I might be derailing this but considering the shitstorm of this thread it's probably nothing I should be concerned with. But I think it really is worth addressing since it also came up in the Ian Punnett thread.

Also we can use your special conditioning lamp to design some quantum experiments, but I suspect that our expectations, wishes and hopes will not do much to change the statistical nature of the results.

[Agent : Orange]

I think a marijuana air freshener would be a money maker.

There's a ton of places up here in Canada that sell marijuana scented incense. Your mileage may vary.

[DoYouThinkItWasAngels]

Agent Orange is 100% correct about Quantum Mechanics.

[DoYouThinkItWasAngels]

Ugh. I really want this all done and over with, but I do feel the need to share this.

There is a NEW "real Art Bell" facebook page at

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001143852663

Fake Art Jr. befriended (what seems to be the real) Lisa Lyon.

[EvB]

There's a ton of places up here in Canada that sell marijuana scented incense. Your mileage may vary.

got 'em down here to - but they all smell icky. and I LIKE the smell of good weed.

[Agent : Orange]

Fake Art Jr. befriended (what seems to be the real) Lisa Lyon.

lol... good god...

The left hand doesn't know what the right is doing

Fort Rock strikes again!

[EvB]

It just gets creepier and creepier with this guy.  Apparently, he was excommunicated by the Lutheran church (no idea if the Lutherans even do this, by the way.  Just reporting on what you find if you Google him).  Here's what he posted on a social networking site for former Christians :

i just saw that site- and this:

I was Excommunicated from the ELCA Denomination because of issues as an Adult Survivor Of Child Abuse.

the ELCA is the largest, and most liberal (socially, politically, and theologically) of the three top synods in the US - despite the fundi sounding name - ELCA = Evangelical Lutheran Church of America.


Just a random piece of info for ya.

[anagrammy]

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Anagrammy