George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium

[bigchucka]

Listening now to Alex Jones show from 4/28... George Norry was the guest on the second hour.  Oddly, doesn't sound like George to me.  Had to rewind to make sure it wasn't someone else...

[Faustina]

Listening now to Alex Jones show from 4/28... George Norry was the guest on the second hour.  Oddly, doesn't sound like George to me.  Had to rewind to make sure it wasn't someone else...

It's odd how he sounds different on different shows.  Noory was on Fade To Black a week or so ago, and he didn't sound like himself on that show, either.

[136 or 142]

To be fair, I think Nickell did also say that a belief in The Big Bang, evolution etc does not necessarily exclude a creator, but I think Noory was talking over him.

Thanks for that.  I did not hear that.

Also, I didn't think of it at the time, but based on what I wrote, of course, if a creator is eternal, why can't a universe also be eternal?

That however gets into a bunch of other things though that weren't brought up on the show, or not discussed in that context, including 'where does consciousness come from?' and the thing about the number of conditions that need to be just right in the universe for either it to exist or for life to exist. 

By itself, the consciousness  question I think can be answered simply with "God in the gaps" but these two things taken together along with 'how was the universe created' and the brain death experiences (coincidentally there was an article on this in the local paper today and it seems that those in the field are trying to get the term changed to 'clinical death experiences') to me suggests strongly that their is a creator of the universe.

As I wrote previously, 'brain death' experiences could possibly be a number of things that may not be life after death (though based on the current knowledge of science they can't be either dreams or firing neurons) but, again, when you combine all these things and a few additional things (the very credible cases that preceded the internet of past life experiences...) this also leads to a creator and the possibility of an afterlife.

[CornyCrow]

Thanks for that.  I did not hear that.

Also, I didn't think of it at the time, but based on what I wrote, of course, if a creator is eternal, why can't a universe also be eternal?

That however gets into a bunch of other things though that weren't brought up on the show, or not discussed in that context, including 'where does consciousness come from?' and the thing about the number of conditions that need to be just right in the universe for either it to exist or for life to exist. 

By itself, the consciousness  question I think can be answered simply with "God in the gaps" but these two things taken together along with 'how was the universe created' and the brain death experiences (coincidentally there was an article on this in the local paper today and it seems that those in the field are trying to get the term changed to 'clinical death experiences') to me suggests strongly that their is a creator of the universe.

As I wrote previously, 'brain death' experiences could possibly be a number of things that may not be life after death (though based on the current knowledge of science they can't be either dreams or firing neurons) but, again, when you combine all these things and a few additional things (the very credible cases that preceded the internet of past life experiences...) this also leads to a creator and the possibility of an afterlife.

Hmmm.  I take the past life experiences and contact by the departed (and personal experiences) as evidence of a continuing spiritual life, but not necessarily of a god.  There are atheists who have had such odd experiences, leading them to speculate on our continuing existence being possible,  but none of that indicates the existence of a god. 

[136 or 142]

Hmmm.  I take the past life experiences and contact by the departed (and personal experiences) as evidence of a continuing spiritual life, but not necessarily of a god.  There are atheists who have had such odd experiences, leading them to speculate on our continuing existence being possible,  but none of that indicates the existence of a god.

Understood. I was just saying if you look at them all together and not separately that they could be seen as all supporting each other and leading to the same conclusion. Of course, past life experiences and the other things you mention may not be related to those other things in any way.  The concept of the so-called universal record that may or may not be supported by the idea that 'information is never lost'  is possibly a more likely explanation for past life experiences(though I don't see how that would explain contact by the departed, though they may be just dreams.  Even in cases where they say that the departed told them things they didn't know of, it could just be that their dreams are remembering things they were told and not only had completely forgotten about, but had also completely forgotten they were told.)

I believe however, the guest also said that he didn't believe in the concept of the universal record and I don't really understand what 'information is never lost' means.

[UnscreenedCaller]

Listened to the skeptic, Joe Nickell and tried to have an open mind. Oh, the irony. Skepticism is a healthy frame of mind. It should be part and parcel of all critical thinking but I think he was more debunker than skeptic. For my part, I found he engaged in the opposite of 'The Argument of Ignorance' which is 'It's impossible, therefore it can't be true' argument.

Nothing wrong illustrating the argument of ignorance, btw. It's a huge leap to assume lights in the sky are aliens. But it's equally a huge leap to say it's impossible we  have visitors from wherever. This is my problem with the debunkers. They frequently are materialists which is as limiting as unthinking credulity is absurd.  They either discount or entirely dismiss anecdotal evidence which is troubling, given the former impossible cryptid animals that have been 'discovered' after lengthy accounts of sightings, many of which were dismissed.

I'm not a Bigfoot enthusiast. I don't know if people are seeing upright brown bears or not, but I'm willing to think someone seeing an upright bear would recognize it as such. At the same time, I question the certainty with which he says that consciousness is entirely dependent on the human brain. There certainly are rigorous scientific studies on that very topic in progress now. To say that the dying brain produces hallucinations is odd when most of the nde experiencers also report feelings of unconditional love. This is my issue with that line of debunking. Nature is dispassionate, which many may see as cruel, but speaking from a materialistic evolutionary viewpoint, what would the purpose of those nde experiences be? Why would nature waste precious energy on them? Nature could give a shit if you die eaten by an animal or in your bed surrounded by your grandchildren. To me, this is the point at which I begin to believe the experiencers. Something happens to them that changes their lives, for the most part they emerge better people than before their experiences. It hints greatly at a transformative process we are only dimly aware of.

I can only speak from anecdotal evidence myself regarding experiences I and others I know have had. They weren't hallucinations and, in my case, were experienced simultaneously by someone else. Good scientists do work in the field of the paranormal, people with skepticism but open minds. I'd rather hear from them than someone who is comfortable dismissing things like the Phoenix lights out of hand. I've heard that before, usually followed by 'swamp gas'. It's a shame that Noory's more gullible callers like the poor woman who had an aura photo taken muddied the waters. Those are part and parcel of the debunker's bag of tricks.

And, congratulations to Jorch for not saying Shroud of Urine, not even once.

[Yorkshire pud]

Ich bin ein debunker. 

[UnscreenedCaller]

Ich bin ein debunker. 

El stirro the potto 

[Yorkshire pud]

El stirro the potto 

Yeah. But I'm coming from the position of logic, not wishful thinking.

[UnscreenedCaller]

Yeah. But I'm coming from the position of logic, not wishful thinking.

I see. Well, okey dokey then. I'll just mosey along down Wishful Thinking Lane. 

[Yorkshire pud]

I see. Well, okey dokey then. I'll just mosey along down wishful thinking lane. 

Where would US late night talk radio be without wishful thinking? As the Dodo. Woo woo is a great draw.

[UnscreenedCaller]

Where would US late night talk radio be without wishful thinking? As the Dodo. Woo woo is a great draw.

Yep, I'm sure it is Yorkshire pud. And where would forums be without late night radio and wishful thinking? Like moths around the shining woo woo.

[Yorkshire pud]

Yep, I'm sure it is Yorkshire pud. And where would forums be without late night radio and wishful thinking? Like moths around the shining woo woo.

Or flies around fetid poo poo.

[UnscreenedCaller]

Or flies around fetid poo poo.

You'll find that thread south of the border.

[L1NGUS]

Working on a blog article about Dave.

[Dateline]

For the Falkie minute in May the topic will be ancient mysteries of the Great Wall of China and how it relates to the present.

Excerpts will be provided of prior posts that Falkie has openly written about on this forum and on his YouTube videos.  A copy may be on the Coast website. 

Brings back memories.

[CornyCrow]

Listened to the skeptic, Joe Nickell and tried to have an open mind. Oh, the irony. Skepticism is a healthy frame of mind. It should be part and parcel of all critical thinking but I think he was more debunker than skeptic. For my part, I found he engaged in the opposite of 'The Argument of Ignorance' which is 'It's impossible, therefore it can't be true' argument.

Nothing wrong illustrating the argument of ignorance, btw. It's a huge leap to assume lights in the sky are aliens. But it's equally a huge leap to say it's impossible we  have visitors from wherever. This is my problem with the debunkers. They frequently are materialists which is as limiting as unthinking credulity is absurd.  They either discount or entirely dismiss anecdotal evidence which is troubling, given the former impossible cryptid animals that have been 'discovered' after lengthy accounts of sightings, many of which were dismissed.

I'm not a Bigfoot enthusiast. I don't know if people are seeing upright brown bears or not, but I'm willing to think someone seeing an upright bear would recognize it as such. At the same time, I question the certainty with which he says that consciousness is entirely dependent on the human brain. There certainly are rigorous scientific studies on that very topic in progress now. To say that the dying brain produces hallucinations is odd when most of the nde experiencers also report feelings of unconditional love. This is my issue with that line of debunking. Nature is dispassionate, which many may see as cruel, but speaking from a materialistic evolutionary viewpoint, what would the purpose of those nde experiences be? Why would nature waste precious energy on them? Nature could give a shit if you die eaten by an animal or in your bed surrounded by your grandchildren. To me, this is the point at which I begin to believe the experiencers. Something happens to them that changes their lives, for the most part they emerge better people than before their experiences. It hints greatly at a transformative process we are only dimly aware of.

I can only speak from anecdotal evidence myself regarding experiences I and others I know have had. They weren't hallucinations and, in my case, were experienced simultaneously by someone else. Good scientists do work in the field of the paranormal, people with skepticism but open minds. I'd rather hear from them than someone who is comfortable dismissing things like the Phoenix lights out of hand. I've heard that before, usually followed by 'swamp gas'. It's a shame that Noory's more gullible callers like the poor woman who had an aura photo taken muddied the waters. Those are part and parcel of the debunker's bag of tricks.

And, congratulations to Jorch for not saying Shroud of Urine, not even once.

Considering that many psychiatrists claim that our biggest fear is that of death, knowing that it is a mere transition must be a comforting thought.  One might consider that such people would, through life, be motivated more to do the right thing rather than maneuver for temporary gain.  It might really make a large change in the world if more people had such experiences.  I would think, if there were an all-powerful god, that IT would arrange for that. 

I suspect that consciousness and love should be given more attention than we now do, that they are an intrinsic part of our evolution, maybe the next step, but I also think the after life is a part of the natural world, bit it's one that presents so many difficulties to scientifically explore. 

I used to think that Masons were bad for society, that they got into organizations and only promoted their own - which I still suspect and it is no way to run a democracy - yet there was that guest, the female Mason, who seemed to be idealistic and honorable, so I researched the female Masonic group in NYC and they are into magic and the occult, but seemingly only in the most beneficial way for humanity.  They do not seem to be ego-driven, which is the downfall, I believe, of many occultists.  I think they may be a decent group and would probably join, were I younger. 

[zeebo]

Tonite's Super Suck Sunday features "Postitive Thinking" which ironically will be helpful if you try to listen to it.

[UnscreenedCaller]

Tonite's Super Suck Sunday features "Postitive Thinking" which ironically will be helpful if you try to listen to it.

Super Suck Sunday ..... it has a nice ring to it. In fact, I'm Positive it's going to suck superlatively. I am now walking away ruminating on freezer burned weeks old burritos.

[PB the Deplorable]

Super Suck Sunday ..... it has a nice ring to it. In fact, I'm Positive it's going to suck superlatively. I am now walking away ruminating on freezer burned weeks old burritos.

Is Falkie on tonight?

[Dateline]

Is Falkie on tonight?

He is on the Friday night shout-out list as "The Man From Pittsburgh." 

[21st Century Man]

Listened to the skeptic, Joe Nickell and tried to have an open mind. Oh, the irony. Skepticism is a healthy frame of mind. It should be part and parcel of all critical thinking but I think he was more debunker than skeptic. For my part, I found he engaged in the opposite of 'The Argument of Ignorance' which is 'It's impossible, therefore it can't be true' argument.

Nothing wrong illustrating the argument of ignorance, btw. It's a huge leap to assume lights in the sky are aliens. But it's equally a huge leap to say it's impossible we  have visitors from wherever. This is my problem with the debunkers. They frequently are materialists which is as limiting as unthinking credulity is absurd.  They either discount or entirely dismiss anecdotal evidence which is troubling, given the former impossible cryptid animals that have been 'discovered' after lengthy accounts of sightings, many of which were dismissed.

I'm not a Bigfoot enthusiast. I don't know if people are seeing upright brown bears or not, but I'm willing to think someone seeing an upright bear would recognize it as such. At the same time, I question the certainty with which he says that consciousness is entirely dependent on the human brain. There certainly are rigorous scientific studies on that very topic in progress now. To say that the dying brain produces hallucinations is odd when most of the nde experiencers also report feelings of unconditional love. This is my issue with that line of debunking. Nature is dispassionate, which many may see as cruel, but speaking from a materialistic evolutionary viewpoint, what would the purpose of those nde experiences be? Why would nature waste precious energy on them? Nature could give a shit if you die eaten by an animal or in your bed surrounded by your grandchildren. To me, this is the point at which I begin to believe the experiencers. Something happens to them that changes their lives, for the most part they emerge better people than before their experiences. It hints greatly at a transformative process we are only dimly aware of.

I can only speak from anecdotal evidence myself regarding experiences I and others I know have had. They weren't hallucinations and, in my case, were experienced simultaneously by someone else. Good scientists do work in the field of the paranormal, people with skepticism but open minds. I'd rather hear from them than someone who is comfortable dismissing things like the Phoenix lights out of hand. I've heard that before, usually followed by 'swamp gas'. It's a shame that Noory's more gullible callers like the poor woman who had an aura photo taken muddied the waters. Those are part and parcel of the debunker's bag of tricks.

And, congratulations to Jorch for not saying Shroud of Urine, not even once.

Excellent post.  I agree with you completely.  136  also made some good points.

[21st Century Man]

Tonite's Super Suck Sunday features "Postitive Thinking" which ironically will be helpful if you try to listen to it.

Another night to ignore Noory.  Too bad there is no alternative on Sunday nights.  I abhor all of the shows that deal with consciousness and other New Age wackadoodle theories.  Plus, they are simply boring.

[136 or 142]

Another night to ignore Noory.  Too bad there is no alternative on Sunday nights.  I abhor all of the shows that deal with consciousness and other New Age wackadoodle theories.  Plus, they are simply boring.

That's only half the show.

In the first half of Sunday's show, hosted by George Noory, author David Essel talks about self-realization, and the real "secret to success" which requires much more than positive thinking, affirmations or vision boards. Followed by comparative mythologist David Talbott and Australian physicist Wallace Thornhill who'll update their lifelong investigation of "the Electric Universe" that offers a revolutionary view of the cosmos.

[zeebo]

... comparative mythologist David Talbott and Australian physicist Wallace Thornhill who'll update their lifelong investigation of "the Electric Universe" that offers a revolutionary view of the cosmos.

That actually looks pretty cool, except for the host's likely questions/comments ...

"Isn't this an amazing time to study all this?",
"There's more power in my smartphone than the Apollo mission had!",
"I just don't get the Big Bang!"
"My favorite Hubble photo is the one with all the galaxies!"
"I really believe there must be life out there somewhere, I really do"
"Where can people find your book?"

[UFQuack]

Why does this guy still sound like a positive thinker?

...still waiting for the snake oil.

Let me guess, the real answer is hard work.

Let's answer Jorch's silly questions once and for all...

"Isn't this an amazing time to study all this?"

In all of history, there has never not been an amazing time.

"There's more power in my smartphone than the Apollo mission had!"

Yes, and we're going to use your phone to send you to the moon.

"I just don't get the Big Bang!"

Neither did your wife.

"My favorite Hubble photo is the one with all the galaxies!"

Which one is that? They all look alike.

"I really believe there must be life out there somewhere, I really do"

And now you can go visit it...with your smart phone...on the moon.

"Where can people find your book?"

In the dumpster right next to that ant-covered ham bone.

[lurkernerge]

fecking hell, glynis mccants tomorrow night...  can't stand her.  2nd half sounds cool though.

[SnapT]

Why can't Falkie be on EVERY night?  It's only a minute of airtime.

[UFQuack]

(listening to the guest...)

Gratitude?

That's a tough one.

I can't stand the "life coach" "business".

Waiting for Noory to ask, do believe in psychic vampires? Are you a psychic vampire?

[ShayP]

Well, the 3 headed person/people will be on Friday with a breaking story.  :  This is, and has been so pathetic, but Dave Noory loves it.