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President Donald J. Trump

Started by The General, February 11, 2011, 01:33:34 AM

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ERMA!GAWD!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ImZTwYwCug

QuoteJAMAICA ESTATES, Queens -- One look at the layout of Jamaica Estates and it does not feel like one is in the city.

There are wide tree-lined streets, woodpeckers high above and yards covered with plenty of color. The place feels like the suburban American Dream torn off the pages of Home & Garden.

In particular, one house off of Midland Parkway that everyone knows about, "This is I believe the house that Donald Trump grew up in," said Freddie Lisena, who knows the neighborhood. In fact he knows it quite well, "I've been working in the area since I was a small child."

That was some 30 years ago.

The Ozone Park native is the owner of Lisena Landscaping. He has been working on this yard since the 80s, back when Donald Trump's father owned it. On Thursday, PIX11 News asked him, how does the area view Trump now? "It's great to see someone that came from our community reach those levels of success, but, whether or not he can actually achieve in the political world, is something I am not too sure about."

John Jance's mother used to get her hair done at the same salon as Trump's mother. It took him only seconds to give an underhanded compliment, "It nice to see a neighborhood kid make it, however ... it's him."

Before you think Jance is a Democrat, well, think again, "I'm having a lot of difficulties as a Republican."

Jance is not alone.

There is a reason why Trump went to Washington D.C. on Thursday morning, as much as their is a reason for Speaker Paul Ryan and others to meet with him. It is because of part of his past, the part that Jance has a hard time with, "He's always been Democrat, he always supports Democrats, most of his views from the past have been Democrat."

Jance feels that the trek made today by his old neighbor from years gone by... was an important step taken in long journey political journey ahead, "It's necessary for both sides to have to come to some bridge, because comes November, we are facing Clinton. So something has got to give."

CNN eye say NOTHEENG?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmzsWxPLIOo

Oar, yes:  HASHTAG=#, heh!

Prosit!

Trump fires Lewandowski as "campaign" flounders.

So much for all the loyalty Trump is said to have for his employees.



Because the problem can't be the candidate, it must be the staff

VtaGeezer

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on June 20, 2016, 09:09:49 AM
https://twitter.com/MichelleFields/status/744889757742698496
In the conflict between loyalty vs competence, even a loyal boss knows when to cut the cord.  Corey hit the Peter Principal ceiling long before the primaries ended.

Quote from: VtaGeezer on June 20, 2016, 10:46:21 AM
In the conflict between loyalty vs competence, even a loyal boss knows when to cut the cord.  Corey hit the Peter Principal ceiling long before the primaries ended.
He should have been canned when he lied about grabbing Michelle Fields.  In other news, the clowns are jumping out of the clown car that is Trump's campaign:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/michael-caputo-resigns-trump-224561

analog kid

Quote from: Paper*Boy on June 20, 2016, 09:20:06 AM
Because the problem can't be the candidate, it must be the staff

His campaigning style was made for the primaries, and isn't working in the general too well. It's not too late for Trump. But he may have to change direction so much, that he won't resemble Trump anymore.

Not looking good, and I don't know who else can beat Hillary. Definitely not Cruz.

Zetaspeak

I still can't bring myself in thinking Trump is throwing this, but man stuff like today really makes you wonder if he is, or maybe just more proof of what I thought is he is clueless in running this campaign and possible shows had very little to do with business.

Is it not basic knowledge if you got some bad news, or want to fire somebody either in politics or business you do it on Friday late afternoon, so it can get lost over the weekend and by hopefully Monday it kinda old news. Yet Trump does this on the worst possible day, Monday morning! So you start another week with a self-inflicted negative story. You can complain about the media all you want, but Trump brings most of it on his own with foolish decisions.

VtaGeezer

Quote from: analog kid on June 20, 2016, 05:27:16 PM

Not looking good, and I don't know who else can beat Hillary. Definitely not Cruz.
The general election campaign doesn't even begin until after the conventions.  The media has nothing else to talk about this week that won't harm HMH, so they're making a no-drama management change into a soap opera.  Much like the "well, Trump's certainly finished now" stuff in the week after the Iowa Primary.  Does anyone think voters care what the name of Trumps campaign manager is? 

bateman

QuoteThere will be 2,472 Republican delegates going to Cleveland for the national convention, with 1,237 needed for a candidate to secure the nomination â€" but those intent on blocking Donald Trump are focused on a much more manageable number: 57.

That figure is 50 percent plus one of the 112-member Convention Rules Committee, the group with the power to end Trump’s grip on the GOP nomination. A victory there, said the leader of the “Free the Delegates” group on a Sunday night conference call, and it would be all downhill.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dump-trump-unruh-rules_us_57675d8ae4b0fbbc8beac99c?section=

and then there's this:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/tim-cook-apple-paul-ryan-fundraiser-224554

analog kid

Quote from: VtaGeezer on June 20, 2016, 05:45:11 PM
Does anyone think voters care what the name of Trumps campaign manager is?

I don't think that matters much on its own, but Trump has had a brutal last few weeks. What worked so well for him in the primaries isn't translating to the general public. He didn't have a real campaign structure, with a staff he listened to, a team to field the talking points, etc.. It's been Trump doing his own thing. It's been successful, and he didn't need it for the primaries. But his numbers have fallen 12 points and everyone is reportedly in panic mode, and everything he says is making matters worse. He has to stop talking about personal vendettas entirely and just talk policy. Media aside, he's brought a lot of it on himself - it's his gripes that have no constituency, like the judge thing. It's his caustic temperament. He's making it too easy to get carved up by the opposition and the Republican establishment.

VtaGeezer

Quote from: analog kid on June 20, 2016, 06:23:54 PM
I don't think that matters much on its own, but Trump has had a brutal last few weeks. What worked so well for him in the primaries isn't translating to the general public. He didn't have a real campaign structure, with a staff he listened to, a team to field the talking points, etc.. It's been Trump doing his own thing. It's been successful, and he didn't need it for the primaries. But his numbers have fallen 12 points and everyone is reportedly in panic mode, and everything he says is making matters worse. He has to stop talking about personal vendettas entirely and just talk policy. Media aside, he's brought a lot of it on himself - it's his gripes that have no constituency, like the judge thing. It's his caustic temperament. He's making it too easy to get carved up by the opposition and the Republican establishment.
I mostly agree. But I think the management change was a done deal long ago.  There's no comparison between a state-by-state primary schedule and running the national election.  For the primary, the mgr is dealing with local support orgs; in the national it's with senators, governors, major Repub officials, and major donors/prima donnas.  Lewandowski knew he was done. Until late July, this is the 7th inning stretch.  The polls show Trump within single digits of HMH (per RCP); six weeks ago that was unthinkable.

analog kid

Quote from: VtaGeezer on June 20, 2016, 06:43:02 PM
I mostly agree. But I think the management change was a done deal long ago.  There's no comparison between a state-by-state primary schedule and running the national election.  For the primary, the mgr is dealing with local support orgs; in the national it's with senators, governors, major Repub officials, and major donors/prima donnas.  Lewandowski knew he was done. Until late July, this is the 7th inning stretch.  The polls show Trump within single digits of HMH (per RCP); six weeks ago that was unthinkable.

HMH? Hilary ____ ____?

Quote from: VtaGeezer on June 20, 2016, 06:43:02 PM
I mostly agree. But I think the management change was a done deal long ago.  There's no comparison between a state-by-state primary schedule and running the national election.  For the primary, the mgr is dealing with local support orgs; in the national it's with senators, governors, major Repub officials, and major donors/prima donnas.  Lewandowski knew he was done. Until late July, this is the 7th inning stretch.  The polls show Trump within single digits of HMH (per RCP); six weeks ago that was unthinkable.
That would be all fine and good if it were planned, thereby showing some itty bitty glimmer of management skill on Trump's part, but this clearly wasn't.  Lewandowski was on a regularly scheduled Monday morning conference call with other campaign leaders at 8:30 am.  He was in a planning meeting afterwards, and was essentially let go in front of others.  There was no press release ready to go, naming a successor or laying out a transition plan.  The campaign's Communications Director sent out a vicious tweet shortly after the firing.  Senior GOP officials had no idea the firing occurred when questioned.   The Communications Director himself had to resign due to unprofessional conduct.

There is no spinning this as some sort of master plan by the Donald.  It was just another in a long series of amateur hour fuck ups by a dilettante.

Value Of Pi

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on June 20, 2016, 07:25:46 PM
That would be all fine and good if it were planned, thereby showing some itty bitty glimmer of management skill on Trump's part, but this clearly wasn't.  Lewandowski was on a regularly scheduled Monday morning conference call with other campaign leaders at 8:30 am.  He was in a planning meeting afterwards, and was essentially let go in front of others.  There was no press release ready to go, naming a successor or laying out a transition plan.  The campaign's Communications Director sent out a vicious tweet shortly after the firing.  Senior GOP officials had no idea the firing occurred when questioned.   The Communications Director himself had to resign due to unprofessional conduct.

There is no spinning this as some sort of master plan by the Donald.  It was just another in a long series of amateur hour fuck ups by a dilettante.

It's just what happens when "the best people" are selected and managed by "the best and most successful person" of all. This is just a small preview of how a Trump administration would malfunction.

VtaGeezer

Quote from: analog kid on June 20, 2016, 07:19:56 PM
HMH? Hilary ____ ____?
Holy Mother Hillary. She who is without sin.

Zetaspeak

Does anybody else find it strange with the report that his kids an his son-in-law is being said having a lot of influence in the campaign and made this specific staffing decision.

Speaking of family anybody hearing this strange story that Trump is spend the $6.7 million the Trump campaign spent in May, nearly 20% (my calculation about $1.3M) went to Trump-owned businesses or family members. Trump also seems to be getting a salary from the campaign, why would a guy so rich need to do that? humm.

I gotta give the guy credit, he's pulling the greatest swindle ever. Keep getting giving those donations and collecting those hats, with a campaign price tag of $208,000

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/20-of-donald-trumps-campaign-spending-goes-to-trump-businesses-filing-says-2016-06-21

albrecht

Quote from: VtaGeezer on June 20, 2016, 10:19:19 PM
Holy Mother Hillary. She who is without sin.
And I always thought it was "Her Majesty."  ;) If any State or country, where the Clinton Foundation(s) operate starts a real investigation into the Foundation(s) and associated University it would be interesting and possibly problematic for Billary. Non-profitable charities have lots of rules, tax forms, registrations, etc and the burden of proof is even less than companies or corporations. And they aren't supposed to change purposes without filing paperwork and getting approval, be used for profit or way to facilitate private gains (trips etc) not in furtherance of their stated purpose, and have independent auditing, etc.

aldousburbank

Quote from: albrecht on June 20, 2016, 10:43:20 PM
And I always thought it was "Her Majesty."  ;) If any State or country, where the Clinton Foundation(s) operate starts a real investigation into the Foundation(s) and associated University it would be interesting and possibly problematic for Billary. Non-profitable charities have lots of rules, tax forms, registrations, etc and the burden of proof is even less than companies or corporations. And they aren't supposed to change purposes without filing paperwork and getting approval, be used for profit or way to facilitate private gains (trips etc) not in furtherance of their stated purpose, and have independent auditing, etc.


albrecht

Quote from: Zetaspeak on June 20, 2016, 10:41:48 PM
Does anybody else find it strange with the report that his kids an his son-in-law is being said having a lot of influence in the campaign and made this specific staffing decision.

Speaking of family anybody hearing this strange story that Trump is spend the $6.7 million the Trump campaign spent in May, nearly 20% (my calculation about $1.3M) went to Trump-owned businesses or family members. Trump also seems to be getting a salary from the campaign, why would a guy so rich need to do that? humm.

I gotta give the guy credit, he's pulling the greatest swindle ever. Keep getting giving those donations and collecting those hats, with a campaign price tag of $208,000

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/20-of-donald-trumps-campaign-spending-goes-to-trump-businesses-filing-says-2016-06-21
Though I like much of what he says I was always had weird suspicions he was a Billary plant, some scheme to deflect Bernie and divide (destroy) the Republican Party, and also he was too soft on immigration, and other issues. As I posted since the get-go. Never watched his shows but the Hollywood and stuff raised eye-brows with me. But his nationalism statements and the situation now? And, considering my initial thoughts along those lines, he could be following a Clinton playbook with regard to how they supposedly run their Foundation(s) and university* and the book and speaking fees and State Department favors, private email servers, etc. But nobody will look into it because she is the chosen one. Obviously, barring some crazy convention stuff, I will still vote for him and not Billary, but it would be interesting if it was all a scam, especially if in league with the Clintons. But roll the dice and I hope even if half of the stuff he says is true he has my vote.
http://charlesortel.com/

VtaGeezer

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on June 20, 2016, 07:25:46 PM
That would be all fine and good if it were planned, thereby showing some itty bitty glimmer of management skill on Trump's part, but this clearly wasn't.  Lewandowski was on a regularly scheduled Monday morning conference call with other campaign leaders at 8:30 am.  He was in a planning meeting afterwards, and was essentially let go in front of others.  There was no press release ready to go, naming a successor or laying out a transition plan.  The campaign's Communications Director sent out a vicious tweet shortly after the firing.  Senior GOP officials had no idea the firing occurred when questioned.   The Communications Director himself had to resign due to unprofessional conduct.

There is no spinning this as some sort of master plan by the Donald.  It was just another in a long series of amateur hour fuck ups by a dilettante.
The one getting the boot is the last to know. But he knew it was coming.  Until the last primary, Lewandowski was more a scheduler for Trump's small entourage than actual managing executive of any grand organization.

And I guess you must mean the dilettante who creamed 17 high level establishment politicians and is nationally within single digits of HMH with less than 1/10 the staff and 5% of her spending, while she barely beat an unknown old socialist fart who grudgingly became a Dem barely a year ago.  BTW, after the worst weeks in his campaign, she leads him by a scant 3% in polls in VA, one of the key battleground states and with a large minority population, according to MSNBC.  The "dilettante's" biggest advantage is the hubris of his adversaries.

VtaGeezer

Quote from: albrecht on June 20, 2016, 10:43:20 PM
And I always thought it was "Her Majesty."  ;)
That would be HRHH; Her Royal Highness Hillary.

albrecht

Quote from: VtaGeezer on June 20, 2016, 10:49:56 PM
That would be HRHH; Her Royal Highness Hillary.
I stand corrected. I think like much RICO and organized crime, it comes down to the books and details. Reporters, accountants, the State offices, taxing authorities, National offices in other countries, where the various and sundry Clinton Foundation(s) are registered and operate need to do some accounting, audits, and investigations. Thing is- it is not sexy- like if they caught Bill with some underage girl on a Epstein Lolita Flight on film or something. But the numbers, filings, audits, and documentation (hint- why private servers) could nail her. But the press won't touch it and, likely, most states and other countries won't because they fear Trump (or got some kickbacks etc even and don't want to 'rock the boat' for stuff they are doing. #fonseca #ubs #etc etc etc.)

Zetaspeak

I think you are underestimating how much of a high single-digit point spread these days in an election. Since 2000 the difference between winner and loser is -0.5%, 2.5%, 7%. and last election 4%. Being close is almost a give these days in politics, seeing Trump in a twice worse than Romney was against a much weaker Democrat in Hillary, I think that says a lot.

There were always jokes and rumblings that Trump got into this just to promote his businesses. I never took it seriously but now I look at some of his campaign finance I start to wonder. So Trump does a lot of his press conferences from Trump buildings. Most of his press conferences and even debates is him bragging and name dropping his businesses. He is getting nation wide free advertising for his different properties and this entire time he is using campaign money to get his properties on TV and in the media for "free"

It's actually kind of brilliant, I think he just wanted to get some quick free advertising for his stuff, and then get defeated. I really think he had no clue that there were enough foolish people that would actually vote for him! He seems to be stuck in a long game. of course his ego is going to want to go for it but has no clue what to do next. 





I hear rumblings that the GOP may insert Romney into the race.  Let's hope not.  I think that would be disastrous for the GOP.

VtaGeezer

Quote from: Zetaspeak on June 20, 2016, 11:19:09 PM
I think you are underestimating how much of a high single-digit point spread these days in an election.
IIRC, In March Clinton had a lead in the vicinity of 10-12%.  Even after all the mess Trump made over the judge, its shrunk considerably. And the Trump's general campaign hasn't started. The other about Trump profiting is an odd claim since he gave up a huge NBC salary to run; multiples of what his campaign his raised to date.  The Daily Beast ran a story months ago about similar stuff; turned out to be the Trump campaign paying for use of his jet and his properties, which they must do so or there'd be a big tax mess and he'd be accused of misappropriating company assets.  The buildings and jet are amortized business assets uncompensated personal/political use would really screw up the books and jeopardize large long term write-downs.  As I've been saying, his competitors, the NYT, WP, WSJ, and all the networks have had an army out digging for dirt on Trump since last summer, and all they've come up with is trivia.  Meanwhile reports about Clinton shady donors and illicit wealth sources involving huge sums are virtually ignored.

albrecht

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 20, 2016, 11:55:55 PM
I hear rumblings that the GOP may insert Romney into the race.  Let's hope not.  I think that would be disastrous for the GOP.
The White Horse Prophecy fulfilled? Interesting. Consider his connections, many of same with Billary, if they switched sides? Put out dirt or had other countries or even states, actually look into and fund "outside" investigations and reporting in the Clinton Foundation(s) and funding and get their media to report them? And their media outfits into the more salacious details about the Clintons for the more low-brow market? (Epstein and the Lolita Flights and parties, etc?)

VtaGeezer

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 20, 2016, 11:55:55 PM
I hear rumblings that the GOP may insert Romney into the race.  Let's hope not.  I think that would be disastrous for the GOP.
There's a tiny cabal of Cruz deadenders and neocon Krystol trying to drum something up.  No one with standing will touch it with a pole.  If there's a floor rebellion, they may as well give the election to HMH and save us all four months of heartburn.

Value Of Pi

Quote from: albrecht on June 21, 2016, 12:03:07 AM
The White Horse Prophecy fulfilled? Interesting. Consider his connections, many of same with Billary, if they switched sides? Put out dirt or had other countries or even states, actually look into and fund "outside" investigations and reporting in the Clinton Foundation(s) and funding and get their media to report them? And their media outfits into the more salacious details about the Clintons for the more low-brow market? (Epstein and the Lolita Flights and parties, etc?)

Whatever revolt may happen at the convention, it will all be on the delegates. Party leaders will just say what Ryan is saying now -- that the rules have to be followed and the delegates make the rules, not them or any other elected Republican in an official capacity.

It's a very convenient CYA maneuver. The delegates will happily take the blame if this move can save what's left of the party they believe in until the next national election.

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