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President Donald J. Trump

Started by The General, February 11, 2011, 01:33:34 AM



Up All Night

Quote from: 3OctaveFart on August 31, 2017, 08:32:05 PM
David Clarke, whose book the president endorsed the other day before any other tweets on the flood, has resigned his post.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/31/david-clarke-milwaukee-sheriff-resigns

Expect him to join the administration in some capacity. (There are many vacancies.)

I would guess in charge of Border Security...

Or in charge of Federal Police in Chicago??

Quote from: Gd5150 on August 31, 2017, 09:12:45 PM
Strange a Nazi white supremacist would have a black man join his cabinet. Oh wait that's because the white supremacist accusation was made up just like the Russian collusion and obstruction charge and money laundering and election rigging.

All lies perpetuated by the DemokkkratParty/Media and their lemmings. Not a single piece of evidence supports any of these lies. But let's be honest, lying is a pillar of the left.

The left is losing. They have no platform. No ideas. No solutions. And the majority that sees this grows larger every day.

Since Feinstein and Pelosi condemed all violence, as Trump did, why aren't they also considered Nazis?

Wasn't that the ''tell'', that he didn't single out the White Supremists? 

Perhaps Yorkshire Puddig can help us out with this one, he stays on top of things and it's become very confusing.

Quote from: Gd5150 on August 31, 2017, 09:12:45 PM
Strange a Nazi white supremacist would have a black man join his cabinet. Oh wait that's because the white supremacist accusation was made up just like the Russian collusion and obstruction charge and money laundering and election rigging.

All lies perpetuated by the DemokkkratParty/Media and their lemmings. Not a single piece of evidence supports any of these lies. But let's be honest, lying is a pillar of the left.

The left is losing. They have no platform. No ideas. No solutions. And the majority that sees this grows larger every day.

Unfortunately, the Left is not losing - they are winning.  Where are we on immigration, controlling the border, vetting ''refugees'', repealing ObamaCare, cutting taxes, draining the swamp, cutting the size of government?

Granted, between an incompetent Trump in disarray, and a bunch of weak frightened Republicans in Congress, it's nearly all self inflected, but not reversing and undoing much of what the Left has done over the past 50 years is a win for them 

As Reagan once said, ''if not us, who?;  if not now, when?''

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Up All Night on August 31, 2017, 10:51:35 PM
I would guess in charge of Border Security...

Or in charge of Federal Police in Chicago??

I like it! He'll keep us deplorables in line:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvzIRuIg288

...and his name is David Clarke.  :D

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on August 31, 2017, 09:54:42 PM
Mueller teams up with IRS in Russia probe: report

Mueller has teamed up with agents from the IRS' unit dedicated to prosecuting financial crimes such as tax evasion and money laundering...

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/348798-mueller-teams-up-with-irs-in-russia-probe-report

It's probably time to fire him.  What, the Left is going to freak out, the Ds are going to go insane, and the pretend media is going to attack?  So what else is new.

Tax evasion and money laundering was not in scope of finding out whether Trump ''colluded'' with Russia to ''influence the election''.  A special prosecutor is not an open-ended fishing expedition.  It's clear now (and has been pretty much from the start) Mueller plans to keep this going for the next four years, and four years after that if Trump wins the next election.

This is not in the best interests of our country, as it distracts the entire Administration, and it's frankly dangerous when the focus should be on the mess Obama left with China, ISIS, Iran, Russia, North Korea, and the unsecure border.

Time to tell Mueller to either stick to the script and finish up, or shut it down.

Lt.Uhura

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on August 31, 2017, 11:05:16 PM
It's probably time to fire him.  What, the Left is going to freak out, the Ds are going to go insane, and the pretend media is going to attack?  So what else is new.

Tax evasion and money laundering was not in scope of finding out whether Trump ''colluded'' with Russia to ''influence the election''.

Time to tell Mueller to either stick to the script and finish up, or shut it down.

Whose quotes are "influence the election", yours? Are you just making stuff up again?? The order* for the investigation gives Mueller a broad mandate to conduct a through investigation. It's telling that Trump became defensive at the idea of Mueller investigating his family's financial links to Russia.

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**See the "related matters" at the top of the document. Tax evasion and money laundering could certainly be considered related matters.


Quote from: Lt.Uhura on August 31, 2017, 11:26:33 PM
Whose quotes are "influence the election", yours? Are you just making stuff up again?? The order* for the investigation gives Mueller a broad mandate to conduct a through investigation. It's telling that Trump became defensive at the idea of Mueller investigating his family's financial links to Russia.

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**See the "related matters" at the top of the document. Tax evasion and money laundering could certainly be considered related matters.

Whose quotes are they?  Isn't that supposed to be what this whole pile of bullshit is about, or is that now down the rabbit hole?

Here in the US we don't send prosecutors off on fishing expeditions, pawing through our private matters looking for something to charge us with.  Does Mueller have any specific reasons - i.e. probable cause - to expand his investigation into financial matters, or not.  He clearly doesn't have anything regarding the campaign, which is what this was supposed to be about.

Here's what the Fourth Amendment has to say:

''The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.''

I realize IRS activity isn't covered by the 4th Amendment for some reason, but Mueller isn't the IRS.  When did Donald Tump surrender his 4th Amendment rights? 

This may be a nuance the Trump haters will claim not to comprehend, but law enforcement, prosecutors, etc, have no business ''teaming up'' with the IRS unless they have probable cause.  Taxing authorities may investigate without probable cause, but no one else can.  Is there not a fire wall between the IRS and the rest of the government, or can any government official ''team up'' with the IRS to bypass 4th Amendment rights whenever they want?  When did that become the new standard in eroding our rights?

It's enough already.  Whether we like this president or not, the country needs one engaged and focused on dealing with a dangerous world.  Especially after eight years of neglect, foolishness, and incompetence by his predecessor.


And PS - for everyone who thinks Mueller is a Republican, and will therefore be fair, do you get it yet?







SredniVashtar

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on August 31, 2017, 11:05:16 PM
It's probably time to fire him.  What, the Left is going to freak out, the Ds are going to go insane, and the pretend media is going to attack?  So what else is new.

Tax evasion and money laundering was not in scope of finding out whether Trump ''colluded'' with Russia to ''influence the election''.  A special prosecutor is not an open-ended fishing expedition.  It's clear now (and has been pretty much from the start) Mueller plans to keep this going for the next four years, and four years after that if Trump wins the next election.

This is not in the best interests of our country, as it distracts the entire Administration, and it's frankly dangerous when the focus should be on the mess Obama left with China, ISIS, Iran, Russia, North Korea, and the unsecure border.

Time to tell Mueller to either stick to the script and finish up, or shut it down.

You are either being very naive or very hypocritical. If this were Hillary instead of Trump you wouldn't play the 'national interest' card. And it's highly likely that any wrongdoing would involve complicated financial dealings that would stretch outside of a too narrow focus on collusion. It's clear that you're willing to tolerate large-scale criminality so long as it's your side doing it.

And do you think an investigation is going to blurt out their findings before it has concluded? No, they're not going to run off to the press if they think it may tip off a target. Again, you are either mendacious or clueless.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: SredniVashtar on September 01, 2017, 01:08:26 AM
You are either being very naive or very hypocritical. If this were Hillary instead of Trump you wouldn't play the 'national interest' card. And it's highly likely that any wrongdoing would involve complicated financial dealings that would stretch outside of a too narrow focus on collusion. It's clear that you're willing to tolerate large-scale criminality so long as it's your side doing it.

And do you think an investigation is going to blurt out their findings before it has concluded? No, they're not going to run off to the press if they think it may tip off a target. Again, you are either mendacious or clueless.

Hey, the word on the street is that they've found nothing and are just wasting money. The money would be better spent investigating the previous administration where there's actually lots of evidence of crimes.  ;)

Lt.Uhura

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on September 01, 2017, 12:14:06 AM
Whose quotes are they?  Isn't that supposed to be what this whole pile of bullshit is about, or is that now down the rabbit hole?...

It's enough already.  Whether we like this president or not, the country needs one engaged and focused on dealing with a dangerous world...

As a taxpayer, I and millions of Americans are expecting a thorough investigation.

This country also "needs" a president who is honest and trustworthy. His constant stream of "alternative facts" has already eroded the trust of Americans and our allies abroad. If it's discovered Trump engaged in criminal tax evasion or money laundering, how would that play to working-class Americans who dutifully pay their taxes each year? How would lingering suspicions into his own finances affect decisions before congress that expect Americans to make concessions on issues like healthcare, wages, and taxes? Why would anyone choose to serve overseas and risk their lives for a leader they can't trust?

Both his detractors--and especially, his supporters, should encourage Mueller to finish his job. Trump shouldn't be concerned about the investigation if he has nothing to hide.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on September 01, 2017, 01:15:29 AM
This country also "needs" a president who is honest and trustworthy. His CNN's constant stream of "alternative facts" has already eroded the trust of Americans and our allies abroad.

FIFY  ;)

SredniVashtar

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 01, 2017, 01:13:37 AM
Hey, the word on the street is that they've found nothing and are just wasting money. The money would be better spent investigating the previous administration where there's actually lots of evidence of crimes.  ;)

A sitting president has far greater scope for mischief than a former one, that's why it's a priority. You don't keep shooting a dead snake, you worry about the one that's alive and biting. I love this idea that nothing has been found and won't be found, because you can't possibly know any of that.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: SredniVashtar on September 01, 2017, 01:38:58 AM
A sitting president has far greater scope for mischief than a former one, that's why it's a priority. You don't keep shooting a dead snake, you worry about the one that's alive and biting. I love this idea that nothing has been found and won't be found, because you can't possibly know any of that.

It's what most of our politicians, both right and left, are saying now. Pelosi denounced Antifa. Feinstein suggested you should all start giving him a chance. Perhaps the left has just realized what a losing strategy this has been for them. They have less credibility than used car salesmen (and women) now.

SredniVashtar

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 01, 2017, 01:51:23 AM
It's what most of our politicians, both right and left, are saying now. Pelosi denounced Antifa. Feinstein suggested you should all start giving him a chance. Perhaps the left has just realized what a losing strategy this has been for them. They have less credibility than used car salesmen (and women) now.

You're being squirrelly again, pulling things out of context. Feinstein was talking in general about hoping for the best, and about giving him a chance over the hurricane. Most people want that, it's not connected to whether he's a crook or not. What individuals may or may not say has no bearing on an ongoing investigation, which will be confidential in any case.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: SredniVashtar on September 01, 2017, 02:00:50 AM
You're being squirrelly again, pulling things out of context. Feinstein was talking in general about hoping for the best, and about giving him a chance over the hurricane. Most people want that, it's not connected to whether he's a crook or not. What individuals may or may not say has no bearing on an ongoing investigation, which will be confidential in any case.

I don't think so. A definite change of tone has occurred. I expect it will continue because the jig is up and they're on empty now. They're hemorrhaging both money and supporters now. Of course, the money part might not be bothering them so much because they've always got Daddy Warbucks (Soros) but without voters it's game over. Only the truly insane like what they've been up to lately and they're not enough to win an election.  ;)

SredniVashtar

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 01, 2017, 02:07:01 AM
I don't think so. A definite change of tone has occurred. I expect it will continue because the jig is up and they're on empty now. They're hemorrhaging both money and supporters now. Of course, the money part might not be bothering them so much because they've always got Daddy Warbucks (Soros) but without voters it's game over. Only the truly insane like what they've been up to lately and they're not enough to win an election.  ;)

Even if I accepted that, you're talking about a form of Stockholm Syndrome. But I don't see that. Even his rallies (pathetic attempts to stroke his ego) are poorly attended now. People get tired of politics after a while, particularly the saturation coverage of late. People's personal opinions are irrelevant anyway, it's a case of whether anything illegal has occurred. People resisted the idea Nixon was a crook; their personal opinions didn't matter when stood next to the facts.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: SredniVashtar on September 01, 2017, 02:21:23 AM
Even if I accepted that, you're talking about a form of Stockholm Syndrome. But I don't see that. Even his rallies (pathetic attempts to stroke his ego) are poorly attended now. People get tired of politics after a while, particularly the saturation coverage of late. People's personal opinions are irrelevant anyway, it's a case of whether anything illegal has occurred. People resisted the idea Nixon was a crook; their personal opinions didn't matter when stood next to the facts.

OK, now you're just lying. Trump is a rock star, still drawing crowds of 20000 or more at a time and the only real evidence of crimes is for the Obama administration.

You guys realize you're watching the literal definition and textbook example of useful idiots with Antifa right?

It's Sept. 1st now which means it's the end of the Summer and rioting season. Antifa is really just the homeless/broke/retarded Marxist demographic that surfaces every once awhile as piles of shit like Occupy or Bernouts. This time they were simply bought off by Soros to cause mischief against evil billionaires and influence while protesting against free speech. Realize those are inherently Orwellian contradictions but this is the level of intellect we're dealing with from these Anarcho-Communists. Which think about that for a minute. Actually don't because it will make you want to punch yourself in the face until your brain never has to comprehend such stupidity again.

But notice at the pinnacle of the rioting season, we were here...



And now at the end of the rioting season, we are here...



This is literally a textbook example of useful idiots who are being gotten rid of once they've served their purpose.

However, the Democrats and the MSM desperately needed a force to stop the rise of WOKE conservatives in this country who are in the process of dismantling their machine and cutting the cord. So they cuddled up to this demographic of human shit that is laying around the streets and community colleges of metro cities. George Soros funded these Alt-Left professional protesting organizations through his Open Society Project. The MSM desperately tried to push these cocksuckers as some sort of Orwellian Army seeking peace through violence (seriously) and thought we were that fucking stupid. Democrat politicians are essentially walking corpses at this point who believe what they see on TV and only follow orders.

Problem is the country isn't as fucked up or radicalized as they think yet. They tried to push for a Purple Revolution and were testing the waters with Statue Removals and the huge HURRRRRRRR NAZI chimpout. But the problem is Americans aren't that fluorided out yet. A violent group of anti-intellectual thugs who are out to destroy our history and society didn't play well to most Americans surprisingly.

So the Democrats did internal polling and found out HOLY SHIT, AMERICANS HATE VIOLENT ANTI-FREEDOM RETARDS and disavowed at the end of the Summer when these people no longer served a purpose for them. Also the Democrats are terrified about mid-terms coming up and are going to go to the "We're sorry Rust Belt America, you're not Dumbfuckistan. We haven't been out to destroy you for the last decade. We're the party of openness and communication. We're the nice commies who are out for the worker!" bullshit and try to distance themselves from fringe leftists. But problem is the Democrats aren't even operating in any sort of reality anymore, so they will be destroyed at the mid-terms.

Meanwhile this ANTIFA human trash will go back to living on the streets and polluting colleges until the next chimp out occurs where this demographic will be useful idiots again under a new name for the same masters. I honestly hate these people, I was around them a lot in their occupy phase and I read a lot of their stuff online now. I've never seen a dumber cross-section of humanity in my life.

The funniest thing is the people who are trying to pull the strings do not understand Americans. We're not brain dead Eastern Europeans who have a history of subversion and political ignorance. So what happened is tons of young intellectuals started going to extreme leftist and ANTIFA meetings/organizing over the Summer thinking it was a good thing. Then just like Occupy, they realized everyone there is either corrupt, evil or retarded. So then they were on the internet DOXing these morons and explaining how their organizations worked. This turned into a snowball effect on the internet with the culmination being Trump naming the Alt-Left and ANTIFA directly. Now the Establishment Left is desperately trying to shut down this force on the internet that keeps kicking their teeth in. They started with Obama giving up control of the internet to the UN which was the direct cause of EVIL NAZI WEBSITES like Daily Stormer and Stormfront getting shut down over feelings. But that was just the beginning.

This is going to turn into a huge fucking thing unless Trump can dismantle this evil leftism that is manipulating all of this in the country.

SredniVashtar

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 01, 2017, 03:47:04 AM
OK, now you're just lying. Trump is a rock star, still drawing crowds of 20000 or more at a time and the only real evidence of crimes is for the Obama administration.

If you want to frot yourself into a lather about crowd sizes that's up to you, but the guy lies so much I'm surprised his trousers haven't incinerated by now. His fatuous Mussolini act when he gets applause is pathetic and beyond parody. Perhaps you're right about him being a rock star, since he combines the charm of Chuck Berry with the razor sharp intelligence of Ozzy Osborne.

Anyway, I count myself a Trump supporter. I hope he builds that wall. In fact I hope he extends it around the whole bloody country, with a Big Beautiful Dome as well to keep you bastards in.

paladin1991

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on September 01, 2017, 01:15:29 AM
As a taxpayer, I and millions of Americans are expecting a thorough investigation.

I wonder if 'millions of Americans' know that you speak for them?  And just how much in taxes did you pay for this investigation?  Exactly?

paladin1991

Quote from: SredniVashtar on September 01, 2017, 01:38:58 AM
A sitting president has far greater scope for mischief than a former one, that's why it's a priority. You don't keep shooting a dead snake, you worry about the one that's alive and biting. I love this idea that nothing has been found and won't be found,

And yet, you and certain others on this forum are certain that something will be found. "...because you can't possibly know any of that."

paladin1991

Quote from: SredniVashtar on September 01, 2017, 02:00:50 AM
You're being squirrelly again, pulling things out of context. Feinstein was talking in general about hoping for the best, and about giving him a chance over the hurricane. Most people want that, it's not connected to whether he's a crook or not. What individuals may or may not say has no bearing on an ongoing investigation, which will be confidential in any case.
But isn't it individuals making certain allegations that have initiated an investigation farce?  And it is indeed what individuals say that make or break cases, confidential or not.  Stop being British, your dry sense of humour is lost on most Americans..

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