President Donald J. Trump

[paladin1991]

Anyway, I count myself a Trump supporter. I hope he builds that wall. In fact I hope he extends it around the whole bloody country, with a Big Beautiful Dome as well to keep you bastards in.
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But who will come to save your asses the next time?

[SredniVashtar]

And yet, you and certain others on this forum are certain that something will be found. "...because you can't possibly know any of that."

The only thing I am certain about is that you were drummed out of the Marines for multiple counts of blatant buggery. Your motto, if I recall your confession correctly, was Semper Penis.

[3OctaveFart]

I happen to agree with this ... whichever side you fall on just fucking be yourself.

The last thing the conversation needs is asshats like Katy Perry getting involved because it's either 'hip' or expedient for them to do.

https://www.theringer.com/pop-culture/2017/8/31/16234302/taylor-swift-donald-trump-problem

[21st Century Man]

I happen to agree with this ... whichever side you fall on just fucking be yourself.

The last thing the conversation needs is asshats like Katy Perry getting involved because it's either 'hip' or expedient for them to do.

https://www.theringer.com/pop-culture/2017/8/31/16234302/taylor-swift-donald-trump-problem

I agree. As far as rock/pop stars go, just shut up and sing. Actors should also stick to acting.  My hat's off to Swift for not giving in to the media pressure.  I'm not a big fan of her music but she seems like one classy broad.  A rarity to be treasured.

[Yorkshire pud]

But isn't it individuals making certain allegations that have initiated an investigation farce? 

Well not exactly. The reason Mueller is doing what he's doing started with Flynn. It was known by Trump (because Obama and others including the then DAG told him) Flynn wasn't to be trusted, and why, although Trump would have known about Flynns love in with Putin and Turkey. Yet Trump still gave him the job as NSA. The then DAG had approached the Trump circus and told them Flynn was in peril of being compromised by the Russians. Trump ignored her, and only had Flynns resignation/fired him because apparently Pence had been blissfully ignorant about the whole thing due to Flynn lying to him (16 days after the DAG had told Trump, yeah right!) Because Pence had only been Trumps number one in the campaign, how would he possibly know!

Sessions had to admit he'd not been totally honest on his initial statement about connections with Russia. Jared (no family in the WH so Trump said, remember?) too lied on his security clearance application, twice.

You see the pattern now? Comey was looking at this stage into Flynn. Trump fired Comey because of it, although he'd previously had the AG and DAG draft a memo that Comey should go because he'd not been nice to Clinton in the campaign, you believe that shit? Neither does anyone else.

Since then Jr and Jared, Manifort, and several Russians (at least two with Kremlin connections) were found (because dumbass Jr admitted to it after the emails had been given to the press-by whom? Jared?) to have arranged a meeting to find shit on Clinton provided by the Kremlin, erm, discuss adoptions!

Then Jared wanted an exclusive secret channel to the Kremlin using the Russian embassy! It seems now because he's in serious debt to the tune of $600million and needed a below the table means of getting money- its illegal to get funds from Russian banks so he didn't want that little deal made known.


There is of course much more that has been revealed and not denied, well at first it was, but in true Trump circus fashion modified to 'So what if we did? We didn't mean any harm, we're new to this WH dynasty shit and still finding our feet, feel sorry for us'

And then the king pin himself.
It was Trump himself who brought the light on himself because he can't help himself. Even if its detrimental to himself; He has no filter, no stop valve. He bragged about wikileaks revealng things in the future tense, and how Russia should reveal 30000 e mails about Clinton.

Him and his family are too stupid and too gilded to have ever needed to think strategically, they just click their fingers and expect it to happen, or make right what they do wrong. Trumps insatiable tweeting about random often unconnected topics that relate directly to him either negatively or in his mind positively show a self absorbed narcissist. Grown ups tend to take notice of their children trying to point to a shiny thing to distract the fact they smashed an ornament. The Grown ups that are far more intelligent than Trump could ever possibly hope to be have noticed, and still Trump points to the shiny thing, because he's terminally stupid.

If the Democrat party disbanded tomorrow, Mueller will still be quietly carefully finding the trail, piecing it together. Manifort will sing. Flynn will sing..and the whole house of shit will come crashing down.

[SredniVashtar]

I agree. As far as rock/pop stars go, just shut up and sing. Actors should also stick to acting.  My hat's off to Swift for not giving in to the media pressure.  I'm not a big fan of her music but she seems like one classy broad.  A rarity to be treasured.

And shady businessmen shouldn't dabble in politics. We agree on something.

[Billy Joe Mulgreavey]

If you want to frot yourself into a lather about crowd sizes that's up to you, but the guy lies so much I'm surprised his trousers haven't incinerated by now. His fatuous Mussolini act when he gets applause is pathetic and beyond parody. Perhaps you're right about him being a rock star, since he combines the charm of Chuck Berry with the razor sharp intelligence of Ozzy Osborne.

Anyway, I count myself a Trump supporter. I hope he builds that wall. In fact I hope he extends it around the whole bloody country, with a Big Beautiful Dome as well to keep you bastards in.

Whoa there, Mr. Vashtar.  Some of your fellow countrymen have vested interests over here...right Pud?

[PB the Deplorable]

As a taxpayer whiny forum bot who lost the last election, I and millions of Americans are expecting a thorough investigation...

FIFY.  Sorry, I didn't read the rest

[SredniVashtar]

Whoa there, Mr. Vashtar.  Some of your fellow countrymen have vested interests over here...right Pud?

He's a traitor.

[K_Dubb]

Even if I accepted that, you're talking about a form of Stockholm Syndrome. But I don't see that. Even his rallies (pathetic attempts to stroke his ego) are poorly attended now. People get tired of politics after a while, particularly the saturation coverage of late. People's personal opinions are irrelevant anyway, it's a case of whether anything illegal has occurred. People resisted the idea Nixon was a crook; their personal opinions didn't matter when stood next to the facts.

Except that the trial for those crimes, though it may have judicial trappings, is a political process conducted by two intensely political bodies.  Mueller can present whatever facts he finds, but I'd argue personal opinions are the only things that matter.  Through our representatives we are the jury, both grand and petit. 

As a political process, it is free to consider arguments that wouldn't fly in court, like the people kind of knew what they were getting and, as long as he is doing a good job and doesn't commit any new horrors, are entitled to their choice.  That's why I don't think obscure financial crimes committed before he ran will cut it unless his presidency is a disaster.  All of that is up for debate.

[PB the Deplorable]

You are either being very naive or very hypocritical. If this were Hillary instead of Trump you wouldn't play the 'national interest' card. And it's highly likely that any wrongdoing would involve complicated financial dealings that would stretch outside of a too narrow focus on collusion. It's clear that you're willing to tolerate large-scale criminality so long as it's your side doing it.

And do you think an investigation is going to blurt out their findings before it has concluded? No, they're not going to run off to the press if they think it may tip off a target. Again, you are either mendacious or clueless.

Is there a crime in there somewhere?  I've never suggested we should have an open ended investigation of Hilary Clinton's dealings, only her specific crimes, which are well known.  Please note the difference

[Yorkshire pud]

Whoa there, Mr. Vashtar.  Some of your fellow countrymen have vested interests over here...right Pud?

Yeah but CA might declare independence, and as its the biggest net contributor to the US economy by far, the wall won't be that big...maybe enough bricks to go round Mara Lago and NY Trump tower. I see that working out actually.

[Yorkshire pud]

He's a traitor.

Yeah. It was a tough decision. Should I continue to endure your brutal often animalistic behaviour or not. I decided not.

[SredniVashtar]

Is there a crime in there somwhere?  I've never suggested we should have an open ended investigation of Hilary Clinton's dealings, only specific crimes.  Please note the difference

So, someone combs through her emails and finds multiple potential instances of wrongdoing that are unrelated to the investigation. Do you say, 'whoa there, let's keep our focus?' Of course you bloody wouldn't. Not pursuing them would be worse, if not criminal itself.

[Gd5150]

And shady businessmen shouldn't dabble in politics. We agree on something.

Yes we should only have shady liers, lawyers in politics. The kind who create fake charities to extort raise billions while sitting and her fat ass as Secretary of State.

[Yorkshire pud]

Except that the trial for those crimes, though it may have judicial trappings, is a political process conducted by two intensely political bodies.  Mueller can present whatever facts he finds, but I'd argue personal opinions are the only things that matter.  Through our representatives we are the jury, both grand and petit. 

As a political process, it is free to consider arguments that wouldn't fly in court, like the people kind of knew what they were getting and, as long as he is doing a good job and doesn't commit any new horrors, are entitled to their choice.  That's why I don't think obscure financial crimes committed before he ran will cut it unless his presidency is a disaster.  All of that is up for debate.

Not exactly. Almost nothing that has come out since january was publically known before or during his campaign. His popularity is tanking daily, and unlike most Presidents he has zero interest in uniting the country, he's only and has only been concerned with those who like him. If you decide today you don't he won't try to see why, and see what he might be doing that lost your trust and support. Its why his current campaigning means so much to him. If only 2000 turned up he'd call it success because its his 2000. He fired his long term rally arranger this week because (despite his comments to the contrary at the podium in Phoenix) he was disappointed with the turn out, and so needed someone to blame, and it couldn't be him. It never has been him being wrong or unpopular.

[PB the Deplorable]

... Antifa is really just the homeless/broke/retarded Marxist demographic that surfaces every once awhile as piles of shit like Occupy or Bernouts.

... Meanwhile this ANTIFA human trash will go back to living on the streets and polluting colleges until the next chimp out occurs where this demographic will be useful idiots again under a new name for the same masters. I honestly hate these people, I was around them a lot in their occupy phase and I read a lot of their stuff online now. I've never seen a dumber cross-section of humanity in my life.

... just like Occupy, they realized everyone there is either corrupt, evil or retarded.

Very good description.  This is exactly who they are

[Yorkshire pud]

Yes we should only have shady liers, lawyers in politics. The kind who create fake charities to extort raise billions while sitting and her fat ass as Secretary of State.

I'm glad you brought up charities. Trump's 'charitable' donations have all been other peoples money. I doubt this alleged $1million he's giving to TX (Out of his self proclaimed worth of 5billion) will come from him. But then, his tax returns will show he made the donation when he publishes them....oh wait.

[PB the Deplorable]

... the Democrats and the MSM desperately needed a force to stop the rise of WOKE conservatives in this country who are in the process of dismantling their machine and cutting the cord. So they cuddled up to this demographic of human shit that is laying around the streets and community colleges of metro cities. George Soros funded these Alt-Left professional protesting organizations through his Open Society Project. The MSM desperately tried to push these cocksuckers as some sort of Orwellian Army seeking peace through violence (seriously) and thought we were that fucking stupid

... So the Democrats did internal polling and found out HOLY SHIT, AMERICANS HATE VIOLENT ANTI-FREEDOM RETARDS and disavowed at the end of the Summer when these people no longer served a purpose for them

And as soon as word gets out to cool it with the hate riots, we won't hear a thing about it until next time they are dog-whistled out of their dorm rooms and ''artist'' work spaces

[K_Dubb]

Not exactly. Almost nothing that has come out since january was publically known before or during his campaign. His popularity is tanking daily, and unlike most Presidents he has zero interest in uniting the country, he's only and has only been concerned with those who like him. If you decide today you don't he won't try to see why, and see what he might be doing that lost your trust and support. Its why his current campaigning means so much to him. If only 2000 turned up he'd call it success because its his 2000. He fired his long term rally arranger this week because (despite his comments to the contrary at the podium in Phoenix) he was disappointed with the turn out, and so needed someone to blame, and it couldn't be him. It never has been him being wrong or unpopular.

Exactly.  He understands, probably better than anybody, that his survival is a matter of popularity.  Or perceived popularity, to be more precise.

[PB the Deplorable]

So, someone combs through her emails and finds multiple potential instances of wrongdoing that are unrelated to the investigation. Do you say, 'whoa there, let's keep our focus?' Of course you bloody wouldn't. Not pursuing them would be worse, if not criminal itself.

Yes, she set up an unsecure server, and an investigation into whether that included classified information is warranted.  If that is the case, our national security agencies need to know what it was, and what was compromised.  If evidence of other crimes is found during that investigation, a determination regarding whether to follow up on that is made. 

That's how it works.  What we don't do is say, hey, we lost the election so lets make some false charges and go through everything. 

[K_Dubb]

The thing is, Pud, nothing has come out since the election that is the equivalent of the Nixon smoking-gun tape that causes some significant portion of his base to turn away in disgust.  Mueller can root around all he wants but unless he accomplishes a similar feat it will end in censure at best.

The other route is for Trump to screw up to the point where Congress looks for an excuse and pulls one out of Mueller's truffle bag.

[PB the Deplorable]

Yes we should only have shady liers, lawyers in politics. The kind who create fake charities to extort raise billions while sitting and her fat ass as Secretary of State.

People accept corruption, dishonesty, incompetence, and criminal behavior in politicians they never would accept from the private sector.  Not only do they accept it, they defend it.  I've never understood this, perhaps Shreddi can explain it.

One of the most concerning things about all the filth coming from the Democrats and the media over the past year is the effect it will have on others who haven't been life-long politicians in seeking office.  We should be strongly encouraging that, not allowing them to be savaged for providing alternatives to the usual hacks.

Maybe instead of term limits, we should implement a requirement that candidates have a certain amount of experience outside government before being eligble to run for various positions.

[Yorkshire pud]

Yes, she set up an unsecure server, and an investigation into whether that included classified information is warranted.  If that is the case, our national security agencies need to know what it was, and what was compromised.  If evidence of other crimes is found during that investigation, a determination regarding whether to follow up on that is made. 

That's how it works.  What we don't do is say, hey, we lost the election so lets make some false charges and go through everything.

Firstly I can bet with total confidence both my kidneys, Clinton didn't set up any server. She may have used one, granted, but she certainly didn't set it up. Secondly, since the time frame that she was using it, security protocols have changed massively. What 'crime' did she willfully commit? Stupidity? Probably. But say you're right, say she actively decided she'd push out to the ether, highly classified data that was ruiness to the USA, do you seriously think that the combined weight of the security services would just let it continue after the first day or week? And please don't trot out this new buzz phrase 'deep state'.

That implies the many agents who in some cases put their lives on the line for the country (placed on a wall in the CIAs case that Trump proclamied what a great victory he had) would collectively get together and decide Clinton must never be unmasked whatever the cost. It doesn't help that the Russians fed a doozie the Trumpers lapped up like manna of Clinton eating children in a pizza palour's basement...unfortunately for that one the palour mentioned doesn't have a basement. Naturally the morons don't let fact get in the way of a witch hunt and one went along with a firearm, presumably to set things straight.

Flynn's 'lock her up' chants will come back to haunt him.... As well as his 'anyone who claims the fifth is guilty'... Trump's 'a pardon means they're guilty' is a humdinger too.

[PB the Deplorable]

Firstly I can bet with total confidence both my kidneys, Clinton didn't set up any server. She may have used one, granted, but she certainly didn't set it up. Secondly, since the time frame that she was using it, security protocols have changed massively. What 'crime' did she willfully commit? Stupidity? Probably. But say you're right, say she actively decided she'd push out to the ether, highly classified data that was ruiness to the USA, do you seriously think that the combined weight of the security services would just let it continue after the first day or week? And please don't trot out this new buzz phrase 'deep state'.

That implies the many agents who in some cases put their lives on the line for the country (placed on a wall in the CIAs case that Trump proclamied what a great victory he had) would collectively get together and decide Clinton must never be unmasked whatever the cost. It doesn't help that the Russians fed a doozie the Trumpers lapped up like manna of Clinton eating children in a pizza palour's basement...unfortunately for that one the palour mentioned doesn't have a basement. Naturally the morons don't let fact get in the way of a witch hunt and one went along with a firearm, presumably to set things straight.

Flynn's 'lock her up' chants will come back to haunt him.... As well as his 'anyone who claims the fifth is guilty'... Trump's 'a pardon means they're guilty' is a humdinger too.

First (not ''firstly''), her having it set up is her setting it up. 

Second (see above), for the 53rd time, the law she broke specifically does not require it to be ''willful'', only for it to have happened.

Sorry, didn't read the rest

[Dr. MD MD]

Yeah. It was a tough decision. Should I continue to endure your brutal often animalistic behaviour or not. I decided not.

You're escaping? Why might that be? 

[Yorkshire pud]

The thing is, Pud, nothing has come out since the election that is the equivalent of the Nixon smoking-gun tape that causes some significant portion of his base to turn away in disgust.  Mueller can root around all he wants but unless he accomplishes a similar feat it will end in censure at best.

The other route is for Trump to screw up to the point where Congress looks for an excuse and pulls one out of Mueller's truffle bag.

There will always for whatever reason be the loyal ones who wouldn't bat an eye if Trump went on national tv and buggered a corpse as he kicked puppies. The GOP will reach a tipping point though, where the majority see him more a liability rather than an asset to their 2018 midterm efforts. Just exactly what can they so far campaign on as far as success is concerned? That NK hasn't so far struck Guam? Sure, they're as much to blame and about the only thing I agree with Trump on is they had nine years to get a health care policy in place and then when they were given the chance had sweet fuck all to show. And the irony is, it will be their core supporters who will be worse off if the ACA is eradicated with nothing else to take its place. But they voted for Trump as their candidate, so they only have themselves to blame.

[Dr. MD MD]

Exactly.  He understands, probably better than anybody, that his survival is a matter of popularity.  Or perceived popularity, to be more precise.

It's all relative. In comparison to congress and mainstream media he's doing great. 

[Yorkshire pud]

First (not ''firstly''), her having it set up is her setting it up. 

Second (see above), for the 53rd time, the law she broke specifically does not require it to be ''willful'', only for it to have happened.

Sorry, didn't read the rest

You did, but it would negate your argument to address it. 

[Yorkshire pud]

It's all relative. In comparison to congress and mainstream media he's doing great. 

True. Relative to contracting Hep C he's unpopular. Relative to feeding your family through a wood chipper he's populer.