Live Shooters Las Vegas Several Dead at Mandalay Bay

[21st Century Man]

Quick reminder..

"House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) was shot at a Republican congressional baseball practice Wednesday morning by a gunman who appeared to have targeted members of Congress..."

I meant to respond to pud with the same story but I forgot.  Thanks for doing so.  PUD, PAY ATTENTION!!

[Up All Night]

This looks consistent with self inflicted GSW. You will see the same in the video below...blood from the exit wound and nose. Now, there was no wall behind Paddock, so the gun was thrown back behind him, typical after recoil. You can see the blood spatter from the ejection of the gun as he fell. Pooling is consistent with the first effluent coagulating in the carpet, then the remaining blood draining from the exit wound pooling on top.

The shells were already on the ground, and are sitting in the drain pool. One would not expect them to be covered in blood. They may have some spray when his head hit the floor, but that might not be clear in the photo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9mJ82x_l-E

[Swishypants]

Mass shooting/BBQ, does it matter really?

[WOTR]

This tragedy in Las Vegas is a perfect example of gun violence as public health crisis. Even though the NRA has aggressively lobbied to prevent the CDC from collecting data on gun violence (via defunding research), the ugly truth is gun violence (including rising suicide rates), accounts for billions of dollars in healthcare costs--both for acute care, and costs associated with chronic, long-term care.

The financial costs to the Las Vegas hospitals for providing emergency trauma care to 500+ is unimaginable. There is a good chance many patients had inadequate health insurance, or none at all. Those who have coverage through their job, and whose injuries prevent them from returning to work, face losing their coverage. In addition to the costly acute care, there will be further expenses for follow-up care upon discharge; either physical, psychological, or both.

http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/ambulatory-care/gun-violence-firearm-injuries-emergency-care-inpatient-care-healthcare-costs-johns

For every one that died you save all of the costs of old age- no dementia care, not heart disease, no hip replacements.  It's cold- but that is how insurance works.  "Hopefully they will be dead before they are a big draw..."

For the others- 500 victims is a lot at one time.  But again, how many people suffer a stroke every day, how many debilitating auto accidents. Yes, this happened all in one place at once- lots of strain on the hospitals in the immediate area.  I also get that gun violence is it's own category with lots of baggage- but in the grand scheme of things 500 people (even if 200  of them are critical and will have life altering injuries) is relatively minor.

[crescent fresh]

I remember when Obama was elected and conservatives were angry about it. I remember the media talkign about a conservative would probably try to kill him just because he was black, never happened. Obama killed peoples jobs and sent them to third world shit holes and tried his best to wipe out the middle class. He tried to ban our guns which i thought might actually trigger a lone nut job to try to mane an attempt on his life again it never happened. All conservatives did was bitch about it and carry on with their lives.

Trump has had a few attacks on his life and he hasn't even been president for a year yet. And his supporters have been beaten and bloodied in the streets. These people are fucking insane i don't think there is anything we can do to stop them from going ape shit and trying to kill who they think is trying to oppress them by laughing at them and making pepe memes.

Maybe it's time we turn the FEMA camps into SJW camps and see if we can un-brainwash them from all the marxist propaganda they were taught in their shitty underwater basket weaving collages. And explain to them that there are only 2 genders and that communism is bad and to go get a fucking job lol.

[=Schlyder=]

I'm not for most gun control but I don't think just anyone should have the right to be able to fire countless bullets in a short amount of time.  I'm ok with semi-automatics but I'm not ok with anything that sounds even vaguely like a machine gun.

LOL the guy was firing full auto into a crowd of 20,000 people,  condensed into a very confined area.  firing 100s and 100s of rounds.  By the past claims of the anti gunners, he should have wiped everyone out with his massive arsenal of assault rifle death capable of firing 800 clips a second... yet only 60 people outright killed.  He could have killed more people using a good bolt action rifle and a proper scope, with all the time he had before the SWAT took him out.

[21st Century Man]

I remember when Obama was elected and conservatives were angry about it. I remember the media talkign about a conservative would probably try to kill him just because he was black, never happened. Obama killed peoples jobs and sent them to third world shit holes and tried his best to wipe out the middle class. He tried to ban our guns which i thought might actually trigger a lone nut job to try to mane an attempt on his life again it never happened. All conservatives did was bitch about it and carry on with their lives.

Trump has had a few attacks on his life and he hasn't even been president for a year yet. And his supporters have been beaten and bloodied in the streets. These people are fucking insane i don't think there is anything we can do to stop them from going ape shit and trying to kill who they think is trying to oppress them by laughing at them and making pepe memes.

Maybe it's time we turn the FEMA camps into SJW camps and see if we can un-brainwash them from all the marxist propaganda they were taught in their shitty underwater basket weaving collages. And explain to them that there are only 2 genders and that communism is bad and to go get a fucking job lol.

I like that idea.  lol.

[Dr. MD MD]

For every one that died you save all of the costs of old age- no dementia care, not heart disease, no hip replacements.  It's cold- but that is how insurance works.  "Hopefully they will be dead before they are a big draw..."

For the others- 500 victims is a lot at one time.  But again, how many people suffer a stroke every day, how many debilitating auto accidents. Yes, this happened all in one place at once- lots of strain on the hospitals in the immediate area.  I also get that gun violence is it's own category with lots of baggage- but in the grand scheme of things 500 people (even if 200  of them are critical and will have life altering injuries) is relatively minor.

Canadians already have death panels but no one talks about it. Sure, you get free health care there but eventually it's Logan's Run time, baby! And sooner than you'd think.

[Swishypants]

yet only 60 people outright killed. 

And the majority of those bleed out over almost 3 hours while the P.D. took their sweet-ass time going up to shoot a dead body and held the EMT's back!

[21st Century Man]

LOL the guy was firing full auto into a crowd of 20,000 people,  condensed into a very confined area.  firing 100s and 100s of rounds.  By the past claims of the anti gunners, he should have wiped everyone out with his massive arsenal of assault rifle death capable of firing 800 clips a second... yet only 60 people outright killed.  He could have killed more people using a good bolt action rifle and a proper scope, with all the time he had before the SWAT took him out.

Almost 600 casualties from 10 minutes of shooting with a bolt action rifle?  That I doubt.

[Dr. MD MD]

I remember when Obama was elected and conservatives were angry about it. I remember the media talkign about a conservative would probably try to kill him just because he was black, never happened. Obama killed peoples jobs and sent them to third world shit holes and tried his best to wipe out the middle class. He tried to ban our guns which i thought might actually trigger a lone nut job to try to mane an attempt on his life again it never happened. All conservatives did was bitch about it and carry on with their lives.

Trump has had a few attacks on his life and he hasn't even been president for a year yet. And his supporters have been beaten and bloodied in the streets. These people are fucking insane i don't think there is anything we can do to stop them from going ape shit and trying to kill who they think is trying to oppress them by laughing at them and making pepe memes.

Maybe it's time we turn the FEMA camps into SJW camps and see if we can un-brainwash them from all the marxist propaganda they were taught in their shitty underwater basket weaving collages. And explain to them that there are only 2 genders and that communism is bad and to go get a fucking job lol.

Yes, deprogramming is really the only way to break someone out of a cult.

[Up All Night]

I just saw some video that showed muzzle flash from about the 10th floor, and closer to the middle.  wow  that sure changes the story now.

Is that room's glass window still in place??? If so...

It might have been a strobe light in that room.

[Gd5150]

By the past claims of the anti gunners, he should have wiped everyone out with his massive arsenal of assault rifle death capable of firing 800 clips a second...

Thats faster triggering than Pud when someone criticizes pedophilia.

God bless the dumbass Demokkkrats when they try to talk guns. "A 30
Clip magazine that can fire 30 rounds in a half second"'
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https://youtu.be/iJmFEv6BHM0

[Up All Night]

https://youtu.be/mBbOFwWquAw

With an assumption that the cab driver filmed continuously, without breaks...

For Timeline's sake, when the cab driver moves the camera to the clock display in his car, the time reads 10:17PM, at about 8 minutes into the video.

So an estimated start time of his video is 10:09PM.

It's sickening to hear the loud reports, knowing that people were being dispatched by some of those shots.

[=Schlyder=]

Almost 600 casualties from 10 minutes of shooting with a bolt action rifle?  That I doubt.

I said killed.  I agree, maybe not 600 wounded  ...but in 10 minutes he could have killed more than 60 people with a good bolt rifle and high powered scope. His farthest shot would have been 600 - 700 yards.  He would be able to see the spinach in your teeth at that range with a quality scope.  1 shot every 5 seconds would result in 120 well aimed shots.

[21st Century Man]

I said killed.  I agree, maybe not 600 wounded  ...but in 10 minutes he could have killed more than 60 people with a good bolt rifle and high powered scope. His farthest shot would have been 600 - 700 yards.  He would be able to see the spinach in your teeth at that range with a quality scope.  1 shot every 5 seconds would result in 120 well aimed shots.

I can agree with that but I wanted it clarified for the slow minds on the other side who might actually believe that a bolt action rifle can do the same amount of damage in the time alotted.

[=Schlyder=]

My point is that a person shooting most types of rifles at a crowd of 20k people for 10+ minutes is going to cause a lot of casualties.  It's not about the type of guns he used.  It is the person pulling the trigger that is the problem.

[Up All Night]

This picture of the Shooter's Daddy looks like he could manage a rock'n'roll band.

[Swishypants]

This picture of the Shooter's Daddy is telling.

Telling of what? That he liked Telly Savalas? Telly was a big deal back then man!

[WOTR]

Canadians already have death panels but no one talks about it. Sure, you get free health care there but eventually it's Logan's Run time, baby! And sooner than you'd think.

Iv'e yet to have a relative die of old age.  So far every last one has fallen victim to a death panel... But at least the care is free...  :

[Dr. MD MD]

Iv'e yet to have a relative die of old age.  So far every last one has fallen victim to a death panel... But at least the care is free...  :

I know Canadians who've told me that once you reach a certain age they basically figure out clever ways to be negligent without technically and legally being negligent in order to speed you along, so to speak.

[WOTR]

Lots of things are a surprise. Drive a hummer into a crowd, it has the clearance and power to not be slowed down. Or a bus. Or a semi truck. All could've reached that concert venue.

You are not being creative.  Ritchie Bros auction in Vegas had this for $16,000.  Weld metal over the windows, have it delivered to a construction site on the strip and I would say that the death toll would be in the multiple thousands as you will never get high centered, the tires are around 6 feet tall and 2.5 wide, and the bucket will cut an 11 foot swath in the crowd.  At just over 100,000 lbs... 

Guns just take the creativity away from people who are sick and I'm kind of glad that they are the weapon of choice...

***I'm guessing I am now on homeland securities watch list...

[Swishypants]

You are not being creative.  Ritchie Bros auction in Vegas had this for $16,000.  Weld metal over the windows, have it delivered to a construction site on the strip and I would say that the death toll would be in the multiple thousands as you will never get high centered, the tires are around 6 feet tall and 2.5 wide, and the bucket will cut an 11 foot swath in the crowd.  At just over 100,000 lbs... 

Guns just take the creativity away from people who are sick and I'm kind of glad that they are the weapon of choice...

***I'm guessing I am now on homeland securities watch list...

Oh it gets better! There is a substance you can make with fairly minimal amounts of house-hold items over a week and dump it into a river near a city water treatment facility from a 35 gallon drum and do an entire city in about a few days! The knowledge is out there and there is no way in hell to stop it. Like anything else, the reason it hasn't been done already is because no one has wanted to. I fear the Feds will get heavy handed and somebody will just think "Fuck you buddy!" and do it. Hopefully not.

[Hog]

yes but even with the bipod, look at the recoil...  a scope is pretty useless in full auto.

Depends on what you consider a "scope", Ive operated plenty of LMG/GPMG with "scopes" installed, technically an Optical Sight, with Tritium reticles.

I do understand the point you are trying to make, there are many automatic rifles/machine guns that would be useless with high magnification optics.

peace
Hog

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uloR4i7b12o

[Hog]

Canadians already have death panels but no one talks about it. Sure, you get free health care there but eventually it's Logan's Run time, baby! And sooner than you'd think.

Its all run by insurance institutions, its just that your system does it for profit.  A for profit system isn't going to beat a dead horse, when the horse is dead, or at least will probably die as that would eat into profits.

peace
Hog

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZxrQDdOK94

[ItsOver]

There probably are no solutions to prevent this kind of event that are not just political eyewash and/or exponentially increase costs and bureaucracy. More metal detectors, more cameras, logistical planning, Special Response Units, etc. They will likely try any and all of these and more and more shootings will occur.

In safety. no matter what facet of life or industry there seems to be some kind of odd persistent thought there can be some kind of immense improvement made by making thousands of costly regulations for a tiny percent of benefit, if any. At some point acceptable risk has to be embraced. Ultimately the best kinds of imrovements can't really be legislated, they come from improving the mental health of society. I think Hollywood and the media lost their way here 30 plus years ago. How do you legislate not selling out to produce gratuitous violence? Its impossible. Whats done is done.

Yep.  Crazies can always find a way.  Anyone expecting self-serving, shyster lawyers in D.C. are going to provide absolute security is living in dreamland.  Guns, knifes, explosives, Boeing 767s, ...start plugging those holes!



We can never have enough laws.

[SredniVashtar]

Yep.  Crazies can always find a way. 

Maybe. Maybe not. There are many different types of crazy, as BG proves every day. You don't have to make it easy for them. And if there are enough obstacles they may be enough to flag up someone looking to cause harm before they actually do so.

[Swishypants]

Maybe. Maybe not. There are many different types of crazy, as BG proves every day. You don't have to make it easy for them. And if there are enough obstacles they may be enough to flag up someone looking to cause harm before they actually do so.

Mindsets like yours are why the NSA can't stop this shit even with full spectrum dominance at it's disposal. The answer is LESS control, not more! Take the breaks off riding Negro's down main street and the sociological control mechanisms will stop the mass killings! You get one, or the other, not both! Choose cuck!