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Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 17, 2017, 02:35:24 PM

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Quote from: albrecht on June 17, 2017, 10:47:44 AM
I've heard for quite some time that to get cashflow the quality of many Cuban made cigars have gone down. Both in the plant and the rolling/aging. You are right that the seeds and quality control in other countries are better in many opinions, basically here (unlike most other countries where they are legal) it is a "forbidden fruit" type of situation.

Back in the day, a good part Connectut's shade gown tobacco crop went to Cuba as it was the preferred wrap.  Some say that the quality of Cubans has suffered as a result of the export ban that included agricultural products.

Quote from: Yorkshire Pudiphile on June 16, 2017, 06:36:35 PM
NIT!  Where you been, bro?  Good to see you again.  Now shut the fuck up you vicious libtard cuck. 

Hypocrisy, abundant use of E.O.'s  What modern pres has not used E.O.'s?  And what exactly is 'abundant'?  Is it more than three? Is it a plethora?
Conflict of interest?  Really?  Then I suppose that the Big O's being a muslim cheerleader for 8 years was conflict of interest, I mean, after all, as Pres he was supposed to be looking out for our interests. 
Triple spaced 20 font?  Hahah.  that is funny.  I'll give you that.
More loyal to 'race.'  Oops.  There is only the human race. One race, right?  The fact that Trump may be a Cock-asoid is relevant to some,  not so much to me.  Though I was kinda hoping on getting my hands on some Cuban smokes.  Looks like I did get screwed on that deal.

Buck up Gunny.  I have actually smoked one fresh Cuban and they are overrated.  Some of the best seed was smuggled out of Cuba and taken to the D.R and a few other places in the sixties.  I found nothing about the Cuban smoke to set it apart from any number of high end brands coming out of the D.R.

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 17, 2017, 09:12:10 AM
And none of it explains the general hate for our country, ''white'' people, ''Christians'', our history, our form of government, our Constitution, separation of powers, and rule of law, our system of free exchange, and all the other targets for their extremism and violence.

The truth is they want to take us in the same basic direction Venezuela is going, the direction some of these other workers paradises have gone before that.  Somehow they just don't want to say so

Meister is just another one of the "useful idiots" that Joe Stalin referred to.  She is clearly a person who doesn't have much going for her in life and if it weren't for her hatred of Trump, our traditional  American values and those of us who honor and are guided by those values, she would have nothing to live for.

Quote from: albrecht on June 16, 2017, 10:12:48 AM
There also is a more non-political or ideological problem. Simple inertia of an ever increasing and centralizing bureaucracy and keeping jobs is a great motivation. Most of our laws and regulations these days are not even voted upon by representatives but simply "made" by bureaucrats in various agencies. Their primary goal is to ensure they have a job and maintain (or increase) their budgets.
www.federalregister.gov Check daily and one will see new and changed regulations that cover just about every single aspect of your life, business, and property. Most never voted on but "entered into," changed, modified, or redefined. This happens on the Federal level but also down to your local government.

When done for political motives it is often done for minority reasons- small, but loud/rich, voices and pressure brought to bear on politicians and bureacrats. Why you see, for example, more "bike lanes" or weird art projects funded by government but not road improvement or things that benefit the majority. Or certain regulation change that benefits a certain specific business or industry group. Because certain groups are very vocal and are obsessed with an issue and so politicians respond. The silent majority is, usually, silent and just going to work, shaking their head at the situation, and just want to get along but don't get involved or, often, even vote, because they figure "you can't fight city hall" and "my vote doesn't matter."

The inertia you refer to is comparable to the law of gravity except that in my experience the gravitational pull of an expanding government in terms of its manpower and fiscal requirements is not directly proportional to the increase in its mass--it always far exceeds it unless some sort of zero sum offset is applied

Also, when measures are implemented to decrease the size of the federal work force by a reduction in force (RIF) through program reduction/realignment or assignment of functions to a commercial activity (contractor) the expected savings are almost never realized because, strangely enough, such measures often coincide with "emergent high priority tasking."  These "dragons" that rear their ugly heads at very convenient times of course need slaying.   In one particular instance that I can recall, all civil service positions slated for elimination were retained with the incumbent in place as were the contractors brought on as their replacements. That must have been one badass dragon. 

Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 16, 2017, 02:03:02 AM
Oh, go and stand in the corner. I think there is a balance like everything else. I don't think people should preach deregulation willy nilly as if it is the solution to everything. Workers always risk being abused by their employers, and we shouldn't assume that paying people starvation wages makes for a good economy or a harmonious society. The dirty secret of Western economics is that full employment is undesirable because it is inflationary, and the people at the top need a large pool of people living in poverty, otherwise the rich see their earnings depreciate. If you think your time is best spent fretting about the left and bolstering the interests of the wealthy then that's up to you.

Some would say that too often the regulations/statutes themselves are enacted in a wily nilly fashion either as a poorly thought out knee-jerk reaction to exigencies, to satisfy commitments made to monied interests or powerful voting blocs, or to further an ideology-driven agenda that promises much but delivers little and doesn't begin to justify its cost.

Of course,  honest people can disagree but IMHO the left is given to acting on wild-ass social and economic theory concocted and promoted by socialistic academicians who are short on practical experience and insight and long on excuse making when their theories fail as they so often do.  In fact, there have been many instances wherein the measures these giants of the academy and their disciples in the Executive and Legislative Branches of government have succeeded in implementing that have not only proven ineffective but indeed have exacerbated the problem.  (I have come to think of this group of big government socialists as compulsive exacerbaters.)  Allowing for human fallibility, the challenge of rule by consensus and the inevitable horse trading involved therein,  and the ever present risk of unforeseen unintended consequences, my assessment is that the Dems are much more prone to monumental fuck-ups than the Republicans.  I think that examples of this have been well and fairly articulated on this thread. 

I agree that balance in policy making is essential but that requires balanced, pragmatic policy makers who seem to be in short supply nowadays.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 15, 2017, 05:13:19 PM
Both are a
ctually acceptable.

CONGRESSIONAL BASEBALL UPDATE

Republicans take 2-0 lead in the top of the first.  Lead off batter for Dems singles and then steels second (thieving bastard) on an in-the-dirt pitch to batter #2.

Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 15, 2017, 11:58:55 AM
When people talk about how good deregulation is, it's worth remembering what it can lead to. You get people more concerned with their bottom line than bothering with safety.

Point taken.

Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 15, 2017, 10:58:50 AM
Fuck you! I'm busy lifting up cobblestones to throw at the police and you start in with all this peace and love shit. Go make your daisy chains somewhere else.

Save some of the cobblestones for the owners of that building in London that went up in flames yesterday and some for whoever is responsible for enforcing fire safety standards.  This could happen in any big city and I'm not singlng out Brits for criticism.  At the risk of stating the obvious, there is either corruption or depraved indifference or both involved here and I'll be interested in what the investigation reveals.

Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 15, 2017, 09:22:00 AM
Say you do wrestle me to the ground in some sort of senile death-grip, and I lost a few teeth, I'd still have more than you. It must get pretty tiresome gumming those rusks dipped in milk for din-dins every night. As for Australian women, I always have great respect for people who can grow a better moustache than me, and I'm sorry you took it the wrong way. As for that remark about Poms, we are almost drowning in geniality and politeness here, you delirious old goat!

I still have more natural teeth in my head than the average Brit 30-year-old and still open beer bottles and crack walnuts with them.  I agree with what you say about the graciousness and civility of the average Brit and you of course are are a glowing exemplar of these traits. 

Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 15, 2017, 10:54:42 AM
I didn't see many people supporting Kathy Griffin. I think most people found that a step too far, as did I. Take it as it was, somebody out for attention. JC was about a democratic leader who was killed because he wanted to make himself a king. But (important point) the plot ends up killing the plotters too, eventually. Shakespeare was very conservative in many ways and the point of the play is to show how it was a bad idea to upset the order of things. Brutus is a noble figure but misguided.

Do you suppose they might have done the play without using a Trump figure?   Shakespeare's writting would probably hold up don't you think?

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on June 15, 2017, 10:28:42 AM
Ok, let's compare the difference in extremists' hateful rhetoric. Tell me how the following prayer from a right wing Trump devotee (and Art Bell fb friend) differs from the rantings of a radical leftist. In fact, if you replace "God Almighty" with Allah this "prayer" sounds like jihadist propaganda. Included on this right wing extremist's chilling wish list of disasters are the "taking out" of the media who oppose Trump, and that "Holy Divine MOABS" be dropped on our nation's capitol, ffs!

Do you really want to go down this road?  We both know that we could match each other in posting radical crap from both sides.  The people who write garbage designed to elicit an emotional reaction and convert people to their particular ideological bent are propagandists and deserve to be ignored.  What bothers me greatly is he MSM indulging in that sort of dishonest sensationalism directed against a sitting president.  Does the bullshit on both sides both not bother you just a little? 

Quote from: Meatie Pie on June 15, 2017, 09:56:35 AM
I don't think Donald Trump represents classic conservative values, and if you're being truthful with yourself, nor do you. I have said before - he was a Manhattan liberal in the gay '90s. So he has no idea what the fuck he is. At least I can semi-respect a toad like McConnell, who for better or worse has held the same public convictions for 35 years and didn't hop on a bandwagon when it became expedient to do so.

And I don't want to hear about decorum and unity from literally a rouge-faced joker who campaigned on a divide-and-conquer strategy, or who called a free press the enemy of the people. It's time for folks on both sides to practice what they've been preaching the last 16 hours (on the teevee, of course). Or just shut up about it altogether.

I won't quarrel with your opinion of Trump because most of it is reasonable criticism.  In response I would only ask:  a) do you find Hilliary any less reprehensible than Trump; b) how does the bias and dishonesty of the MSM sit with you;  c) how is the the left's determination to impeach Trump that dates from Nov 8 benefit the Nation; d) were you satisfied with the prospect of business as usual inside the Beltway?

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 15, 2017, 03:35:51 AM
The only people indulging in a celebratory politicizing of this assassination attempt are the Democratic gun control advocates. His attempt probably would've been successful had it not been for people legally armed there who could shoot back. The only extremism is coming from your side now. What you call extremist right-wing views used to just be called the opposition but you just keep demonizing until someone starts shooting. And now your fingers are crossed for a Trump supporter to start shooting. Hey, if it doesn't happen naturally just get the CIA to create one.  Fucking zombie! :

Well put.

Quote from: Gd5150 on June 15, 2017, 08:46:39 AM
Yes we know how all the Clinton/Obama/Kerry supporters are "moderates" who've never voted Republican in their lives. It's a classic example of how the left wing mind works. Symbolism over substance. Emotion over logic. Lemming over critical thinker. Close minded while telling everyone how open minded you are. Claims to love science while citing the consensus as evidence. The left in 2017 has gone off a cliff, all they do is hate. They're void of any ideas. They're incapable of open minded discussion. It's quite sad but this is the product of 50 years of the extreme left bastardising the eduction industry, the media, selective parts of science, hell even comedy. Modern left wing  Liberalsim is a cancer, and their leaders play them like the sheep that they are.

That is the best summation of the decadent state of the Democrat party I have read.  Well done!

Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 15, 2017, 08:02:57 AM
My condolences. No wonder you're so ornery. Australian 'women' are notoriously unfussy about who they choose to mate with, and a guy like you probably wasn't overwhelmed with options. Remember to keep an eye on your valuables (not that you probably have any). She'd have the pacemaker out of your chest
if she was ever sober enough to wield a knife.

No wonder Australians see you Pomies as insufferable assholes.  If you were to insult my wife as an Australian woman as you just did in my physical presence I guarantee you would be dragged out with missing teeth and a broken jaw at the very least.  Do not doubt that even in my dotage I still have the strength and skill to make good on that threat. 

Quote from: Meatie Pie on June 15, 2017, 07:39:49 AM
These tools are blind to any political subtlety. You're either on their side or you have to be Saul Alinsky. It's part of why the discourse is so broken. To them, all their objectors vote on a straight Democratic ticket. Let them believe what they want, they're not to be reasoned with and won't be persuaded otherwise.

Conversely, did it ever occur to you that some of us who have openly criticized Trump on this thread as I have do not object to anyone voicing your opposition to Trump in specific terms.
What we object to is the dishonesty and pettiness that the left employs in its effort to destroy Trump's presidency.    Not once have I seen any one of you question the validity of the many unsubstantiated and far fetched claims against Trump the MSM has seen fit to broadcast nor have I seen any sort of acknowledgement by you when the reports prove to be false.  It seems to me that your hatred for Trump overrides your ability to objectively evaluate the blizzard of accusations that is being generated by the left.  It also seems that you are willing abandon any sense of fairness when it comes to Trump.  (I use the word "you" here in the collective sense.)

Admittedly the overheated rhetoric on this thread comes from both sides.  But the most unhinged and toxic comes from just a few who I need not identify here. 

Quote from: Taaroa on June 15, 2017, 02:26:27 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-40284372

I should point out that the media has had a fairly hostile relationship with the current government in Australia, albeit a bit less so than towards the previous PM Tony Abbott.

My wife is from Brisbane and we were there visiting her family last November.  Watching local and national news while there I was struck by the concern expressed by media personalities in subtle and not so subtle ways that Trump might get elected.  I don't recall hearing anything positive about him on the news the entire time I was there and when he was elected they reacted with same sort of handwringing angst as their counterparts in the U.S. did.  However, what I heard in conversations with many Australians did not reflect the abhorrence for Trump that the media seemed to be promoting.  In fact, I was surprised to find that more than half of those I talked to expressed their agreement with Trump's policies, some very adamantly.  I remember thinking how closely the split in opinions about Trump mirrored that in the U.S. despite the MSM's opposition to Trump in both countries. 

Quote from: Meister_000 on June 14, 2017, 06:49:55 PM
Your main problem with me is that I've consistently called your bullshit and correctly identified/labeled you for what you really are from day one. You continue, in alternating posts and personas, to attempt to paint yourself as a "reasonable" and "fair" person, then you remove the theatre mask and post as the vile pig you truely are. After six months of having to deal with all of you sewer rats I needed you to be clear that your amature-hour attempts at meme-making, projecting blame-shifting and reality-inverting, remaking/inventing fictions of your own image and attributes, all of that stuff, never did work and won't work now -- especially now, 7+ months post election. When I say "we're done with you", I mean you've all had amply time and opportunity to redeem yourselves. You've not only _not_ done that, you grow worse by the day. So, Time's up. We're not playin nor buyin your bullshit anymore. K? You want "normal" again? When and if you-all decide to rejoin humanity again, and play by "normal" rules again,  after some long period of probation and observation, then who knows. Sometimes miracles happen.

There she goes again with her illusions of grandeur.  You just can't help quickly confirming my  assessments of you can you. You do it every single time.How exactly do you suppose you are going to penalize us.  Oh please, don't boycott this thread.  That would would break our hearts. 

Let's make something very clear.    If I were to never read another word of the drivel you post or witness another of your online psychotic breaks it would be too soon.  The result of the venomous lies you and your kind spread in your unconscionable effort to subvert our duly elected government was seen today on a baseball field in Alexandria, VA.  I hold seditionist swine like you personally responsible for that act and all the bad acts that will follow.  You are a detestable lout that deserves the derision and ostracism that you and your anti-American cohorts will most certainly experience when the madness has ended.   

Quote from: Spy on June 14, 2017, 05:57:23 PM
Say goodnight, Schicklgruber.

No, I think I'll just end this particular conversation with a hearty FUCK OFF MORON.

           

         

Quote from: Spy on June 14, 2017, 05:43:54 PM
A snarky lurker around the edges.  As opposed to what?  Being the emperor of the President Donald J. Trump thread at Bellgab? 

Go have tea with "Styx" at his tool shed. Maybe he'll give you some decorating tips.

Yeah, that's what I thought.  Nothing of substance to say for yourself. 

Quote from: Spy on June 14, 2017, 04:44:24 PM

Patreon is probably his only source of income and $36,000 is not much to live on.  That's why he lives in a tool shed.  Believe it or not, having an "actual job" (or a real career) is not a bad thing.  You should try it.

So instead of commenting on what Styx had to say, you being the snarky lurker around the edges that you are, choose to go with criticism of his life style and income.  I can understand your reluctance to challenge the validity of his assertions because you clearly lack the brainpower to do so but to resort to cheap shots like that is cowardly.

THIS SHOOTING IS THE PRODUCT OF LEFTIST/MSM-INDUCED TRUMP DERANGEMENT DISORDER. 


https://youtu.be/Aa8wL7oip3I

I would bet that Meister has been diagnosed with delusional disorder.  You'll notice that in her rhetoric she takes a comically grandiose tone and talks as if she has special insight and control over situations and events.  She also uses "we" a lot imagining that she has powerful allies.  She compulsively searches for and posts outlandishly partisan material that any mentally competent 8-year-old would recognize as being total shit. She also is given to distorting the meaning of legitimate reports and commentary into something congenial to her warped views without regard to the fact that after reading the same material no one, but no one, interprets it the way she does.  Some have suggested that she has some sort of perceptual problem or just reads poorly but I think it has more to do with a cognitive deficit that, among other things, manifests in fantastical thinking and illusions of grandeur.  This is most evident when she claims victory in a contentious verbal back and forth when it is clear to everyone but her that her arguments have failed and she has again proven herself to be a dolt.

If it weren't for the fact that Meister is such an obnoxious asshole one might feel pity for her especially knowing that over a lifetime there must have been many occasions when someone felt the need to slap the stupid out of her and she probably qualifies a battered woman.  However, in her pathetic neediness she posts incessantly which only serves to remind us that there is no help for those that have reached the snarling bitch stage of insanity other than institutionalization and a regimen of strong antipsychotic drugs.

Quote from: b🎱man on June 13, 2017, 04:29:50 PM
This is what they're going with  :

I watched her performance.  Just another snarky AA with an attitude. She went past her allotted time and the Chairman gaveled her to order.  More cheap shit from those who specialize in cheap shit. 

Quote from: Yorkshire Pud on June 13, 2017, 07:57:02 AM
^^^ It isn't hatred on my part, but the obvious priorities of Trump's equally co-dependent poodles.

Okay, you can feel your nose getting longer now can't you?  A visceral hatred for Trump as a person is a central factor behind all of this madness and that is the long and short of it.  Some of us were willing to elect someone who promised to always act in the interests of Americans, who was not beholden to corporate interests, and who showed a dertirmination to deal with the corruption that is rife within the Beltway.  Perhaps most importantly, someone who was not Hilliary Clinton.  Voting for Trump was for me a no brainer.

Now the Dems are determined to sabotage Trump's presidency by using the same corrupt tactics that Trump referred to in his campaign speeches.  There could be no greater proof that he is dead on  in his assessment of the degree of corruption within the Democratic Party than what the whole world has been witness to since Nov 8.

Quote from: Meister_000 on June 13, 2017, 05:59:06 AM
America's Fake President -- Disgusting!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/874576057579565056

The value of the opinion of a deranged freak show such as yourself is somewhere between that of a wad of gum stuck to a shoe soul and a used Kleenex.  One would benefit more from reading the graffiti on a public restroom wall than reading your posts. 

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 12, 2017, 11:36:41 PM
The IWW is still active.  They have organized panhandlers.  lol.  I kid you not.  Let them go on strike.  From wiki.

In 2003, the IWW began organizing street people and other non-traditional occupations with the formation of the Ottawa Panhandlers Union. A year later, the Panhandlers Union led a strike by the homeless. Negotiations with the city resulted in the city government promising to fund a newspaper written and sold by the homeless.

ROTF!!!

No way.  Did they threaten to stop panhandling if their demands weren't met?

Quote from: Meatie Pie on June 12, 2017, 10:13:30 PM
Kidnostad-

I hope you see there can be a little nuance here. Not every opponent of this administration wants to roll out the red carpet for these folks. But there is a smarter way to handle it. There is 'no room at the inn' at least until we clean our own shit up - that reasoning would have sufficed. Instead he took a sledgehammer to the thing, because he himself lacks nuance.

Here's the thing.  We've gone from a President who wouldn't allow the words Islamic and terrorism to be used together in any government written or oral communication to a President who calls a spade a spade.  Was the wording he used in campaign rhetoric on the subject clumsy--you bet, but no one had any doubt that he saw the problem for what it is.  After the candy coating of the subject we were subjected to during the Obama years and the promise of more of the same to come if Hilliary were to be elected many of us found his frankness on this and other issues refreshing and convincing.  No one took him for being a practiced politician or polished orator but he tapped into the mood of a large portion of the electorate.

I have expressed my misgivings about Trump in this and other threads and predicted that he would have the problems he is now having.  What bothers me is that the Democrats and the MSM are engaged in a campaign to prevent Trump from effectively governing with the aim of getting him impeached.  This to me is un-American.

There is plenty to criticize Trump about without inventing shit.  I have always wanted whoever was elected President to be successful whether I voted for him or not and I can honestly say that I gave Obama a full two years before I allowed my judgement of him to solidify.   I would have given Hillary the same opportunity to prove herself.  It's a matter of basic fairness.

Quote from: Meatie Pie on June 12, 2017, 08:21:03 PM
As utterly charmless as Washington, D.C.?

And you went to the wrong place. The archipelago is not quite like Paterson, N.J.

The point, which scudded over your head, is that no one begged these people to stay. They want to hit the road and go back to Iraq, then bloody go do it.

Here, here.