20150922 - Dr. Kevin Trenberth - Climate Change - Live Show Chat Thread

[malachi.martini]

"There's always weather going on."

Science.

[Stranger929]

Um, sea ice has set records in both the Arctic and Antarctic in the last two years.  I call BS.

Exactly. The climate change BS is all about taxing people and redistributing wealth and has nothing to do with fixing the environment. Sure we need to take care of our environment but there are no plans for that. Taxes don't fix anything and there is no mechanism in place to turn that money into anything helpful to the environment for one good reason, it's a fucking scam. 

[starrmtn001]

The Climate Police got him!

But he gets away!

[Wisecracker]

That might be the craziest sentence in this entire thread.

oh krap - i guess i need to change my avatar 

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

When you plan on owning the weather, and want to experiment clandestinely on a global scale, it'd sure be handy to have a global mainstream hysteria about man made (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) global warming / cooling / climate change as cover.

Ive read that report, GOOD post.

The rest of you guys should save a copy & read it later. 

[=Schlyder=]

it was the global warming cut him off.  LOL

One thing I'd like climate alarmists to explain.  WHEN WAS THE CLIMATE EVER STABLE? And how will we know when it is stable?

[Weirdoradio]

"There's always weather going on."

Science.

I laughed out loud when he said that. Almost as good as last week's assertion by Charles Maxwell that crop circles "may actually be made by humans. We may actually be playing jokes on each other."

[maren]

It's promoted (true or not) for the money that can be made from it. Plain & simple

Money is made from both side of the argument.  Plain and simple.

[chefist]

Is it fair to ask a scientist which political party they vote for?

[Barfly]

it was the global warming cut him off.  LOL

One thing I'd like climate alarmists to explain.  WHEN WAS THE CLIMATE EVER STABLE? And how will we know when it is stable?

Never

[Donald Noory]

Absolutely agreed.  -- besides the ignorant and consensus part, since 66% of climatologist don't take a postition.  You clearly haven't read the study that the 97.1% is cited from. 

http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article

Did you actually read the article? Did you read the conclusion?


5. Conclusion


The public perception of a scientific consensus on AGW is a necessary element in public support for climate policy (Ding et al 2011). However, there is a significant gap between public perception and reality, with 57% of the US public either disagreeing or unaware that scientists overwhelmingly agree that the earth is warming due to human activity (Pew 2012).

Contributing to this 'consensus gap' are campaigns designed to confuse the public about the level of agreement among climate scientists. In 1991, Western Fuels Association conducted a $510 000 campaign whose primary goal was to 'reposition global warming as theory (not fact)'. A key strategy involved constructing the impression of active scientific debate using dissenting scientists as spokesmen (Oreskes 2010). The situation is exacerbated by media treatment of the climate issue, where the normative practice of providing opposing sides with equal attention has allowed a vocal minority to have their views amplified (Boykoff and Boykoff 2004). While there are indications that the situation has improved in the UK and USA prestige press (Boykoff 2007), the UK tabloid press showed no indication of improvement from 2000 to 2006 (Boykoff and Mansfield 2008).

The narrative presented by some dissenters is that the scientific consensus is '...on the point of collapse' (Oddie 2012) while '...the number of scientific "heretics" is growing with each passing year' (Allègre et al 2012). A systematic, comprehensive review of the literature provides quantitative evidence countering this assertion. The number of papers rejecting AGW is a miniscule proportion of the published research, with the percentage slightly decreasing over time. Among papers expressing a position on AGW, an overwhelming percentage (97.2% based on self-ratings, 97.1% based on abstract ratings) endorses the scientific consensus on AGW.

[Rat-eating Hater]

I agree with that durn smart teabagger politician who said that there can't be no global warming, because God is in charge, and it's a durn insult to God to think that he would let the Earth be heatin' up. Durn it!

You mean Hank Johnson (D-GA) who said that Guam is going to capsize because of global warming. Hank is aTrue Believer and therefore a Legitimate Scientist. You prolly just got confused cuz you've got teabagging on your mind.

[starrmtn001]

Is it fair to ask a scientist which political party they vote for?

Sure as heck should be!

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

In 1992 I was working briefly at NASA in Greenbelt Maryland.  When I was there I saw a huge buzz going around about a discovery that the Sun's output was increasing significantly and that it was causing the warming of the entire Solar System.  At the time they said it was expected to increase "at least through 2012".  They were really making a big deal about this.  What is odd to me is that the media doesn't talk about this.  Also, those of us who've been around a while all notice the Sun feels MUCH stronger than it used to be.

Right On Brutha !    

[Stranger929]

Here we go.  From the study that people and politicians pull the "97.1% of climatologists agree"  "MUH CONSENSUS!"

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024

66% of climatologists don't take a position on the issue.  There is far from any consensus:

Fucking exactly. It's a scam.

[Barfly]

You mean Hank Johnson (D-GA) who said that Guam is going to capsize because of global warming. Hank is aTrue Believer and therefore a Legitimate Scientist. You prolly just got confused cuz you've got teabagging on your mind.

I remember that, it may be the funniest thing i ever heard a politician say

[=Schlyder=]

Fuck off Kwipke

[Sandra Kristen]

Einstein was a socialist. To some of you people that would discredit him lol.

[GravitySucks]

it was the global warming cut him off.  LOL

One thing I'd like climate alarmists to explain.  WHEN WAS THE CLIMATE EVER STABLE? And how will we know when it is stable?

As soon as CERN creates enough Strangelets... Starting about now in a collider near you.

[Bodach]

I laughed out loud when he said that.

You're not alone hahaha

Consensus my ass.

66% of physicists won't refuse to take a position on gravity.  Why? Because it's science and doesn't need modified figures.  Never required government funding to produce an answer.

But 66% of climatologists do not take a position on global warming/climate change. 

Again, this figure is from the exact same study that brought us the "97.1% of climatologists agree" meme.  That was just from the sample that felt comfortable taking a position (betting it correlates with funding as well)

[chefist]

Price on carbon...carbon tax...and now the cat is out of the bag!

[ArJuna]

Exactly. The climate change BS is all about taxing people and redistributing wealth and has nothing to do with fixing the environment. Sure we need to take care of our environment but there are no plans for that. Taxes don't fix anything and there is no mechanism in place to turn that money into anything helpful to the environment for one good reason, it's a fucking scam.

We have a climate toxicity problem.  We need to address that more than warming.  They'll probably tax that too.

[malachi.martini]

There it is!

Carbon tax, lol.

[JamesMcDonald]

CARBON TAX...  UH OH!!!!  THEY WENT THERE!!!!   

[starrmtn001]

You mean Hank Johnson (D-GA) who said that Guam is going to capsize because of global warming. Hank is aTrue Believer and therefore a Legitimate Scientist. You prolly just got confused cuz you've got teabagging on your mind.

I heard that clip somewhere, but he thought the island was going to capsize because it's getting to many people on it.  OMG, I'm laughing so hard!

[ArJuna]

OK, I've had it. Kevin is a turd nugget for the socialists.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

Um, sea ice has set records in both the Arctic and Antarctic in the last two years.  I call BS.

The arctic is losing ice (record low).
The antarctic is gaining ice (record high).



"On September 11, Arctic sea ice reached its likely minimum extent for 2015. The minimum ice extent was the fourth lowest in the satellite record, and reinforces the long-term downward trend in Arctic ice extent. Sea ice extent will now begin its seasonal increase through autumn and winter. In the Antarctic, sea ice extent is average, a substantial contrast with recent years when Antarctic winter extents reached record high levels."
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

[Spinner]

Beware of anyone who proposes that the solution to a problem is TAXES.

And, "fossil fuels..."? Oh boy   :

[Weirdoradio]

No discussion about HAARP yet.

This Trenberth is no "scientist" at all, in my eyes, in that case.

[GravitySucks]

THERE IS A TAX ON CARBON... THERE IS A FRIKKIN TAX ON EVERY ASPECT OF THE MININING/DRILLING/REFINING/DISTRIBUTION OF CARBON BASED FUELS.  WHENDOES IT END?