20150922 - Dr. Kevin Trenberth - Climate Change - Live Show Chat Thread

[Kevin Sorbo]

605-562-4444

Thanks my friend 

[chefist]

I agree.

Science can do that to most!

[GravitySucks]

Why isn't this guy talking about the fact that MEAT production causes more climate change than transportation?  ALL transportation - cars trucks planes boats. The major sources of CO2 are meat, burning trees and volcanoes THEN transportation. 

Every steak or slab of bacon condemns our grandchildren.

I'll let everybody fry before I give up bacon.

[trostol]

Bellgab, the wednesday after the climate meteor apocalypse of the 23rd:

i need to see that still

[Zenman]

Looks like they're going to. Or air Levin later.

That's what I'm thinking. I like Levin. I will consider him collateral damage.

[malachi.martini]

RIDE MOTHERFUCKERS RIIIIIIIIIIIIDE!!!!

[coaster]

Science can do that to most!

I agree.

[Jocko Johnson]

16 GLOBALLY RENOWNED SCIENTISTS SAY MAN-MADE CLIMATE CHANGE IS BULLSHIT

Claude Allegre, former director of the Institute for the Study of the Earth, University of Paris;
J. Scott Armstrong, cofounder of the Journal of Forecasting and the International Journal of Forecasting;
Jan Breslow, head of the Laboratory of Biochemical Genetics and Metabolism, Rockefeller University;
Roger Cohen, fellow, American Physical Society; Edward David, member, National Academy of Engineering and National Academy of Sciences;
William Happer, professor of physics, Princeton;
Michael Kelly, professor of technology, University of Cambridge, U.K.;
William Kininmonth, former head of climate research at the Australian Bureau of Meteorology;
Richard Lindzen, professor of atmospheric sciences, MIT;
James McGrath, professor of chemistry, Virginia Technical University;
Rodney Nichols, former president and CEO of the New York Academy of Sciences;
Burt Rutan, aerospace engineer, designer of Voyager and SpaceShipOne;
Harrison H. Schmitt, Apollo 17 astronaut and former U.S. senator;
Nir Shaviv, professor of astrophysics, Hebrew University, Jerusalem;
Henk Tennekes, former director, Royal Dutch Meteorological Service;
Antonio Zichichi, president of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva;
AND: Nobel Prize-winning physicist Ivar Giaever.

In September, Nobel Prize-winning physicist Ivar Giaever, a supporter of President Obama in the last election, publicly resigned from the American Physical Society (APS) with a letter that begins: "I did not renew [my membership] because I cannot live with the [APS policy] statement: 'The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth's physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.' In the APS it is OK to discuss whether the mass of the proton changes over time and how a multi-universe behaves, but the evidence of global warming is incontrovertible?"

In spite of a multidecade international campaign to enforce the message that increasing amounts of the "pollutant" carbon dioxide will destroy civilization, large numbers of scientists, many very prominent, share the opinions of Dr. Giaever. And the number of scientific "heretics" is growing with each passing year. The reason is a collection of stubborn scientific facts.

Perhaps the most inconvenient fact is the lack of global warming for well over 10 years now. This is known to the warming establishment, as one can see from the 2009 "Climategate" email of climate scientist Kevin Trenberth: "The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't." But the warming is only missing if one believes computer models where so-called feedbacks involving water vapor and clouds greatly amplify the small effect of CO2.

The lack of warming for more than a decadeâ€"indeed, the smaller-than-predicted warming over the 22 years since the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) began issuing projectionsâ€"suggests that computer models have greatly exaggerated how much warming additional CO2 can cause. Faced with this embarrassment, those promoting alarm have shifted their drumbeat from warming to weather extremes, to enable anything unusual that happens in our chaotic climate to be ascribed to CO2.

The fact is that CO2 is not a pollutant. CO2 is a colorless and odorless gas, exhaled at high concentrations by each of us, and a key component of the biosphere's life cycle. Plants do so much better with more CO2 that greenhouse operators often increase the CO2 concentrations by factors of three or four to get better growth. This is no surprise since plants and animals evolved when CO2 concentrations were about 10 times larger than they are today. Better plant varieties, chemical fertilizers and agricultural management contributed to the great increase in agricultural yields of the past century, but part of the increase almost certainly came from additional CO2 in the atmosphere.

Although the number of publicly dissenting scientists is growing, many young scientists furtively say that while they also have serious doubts about the global-warming message, they are afraid to speak up for fear of not being promotedâ€"or worse. They have good reason to worry. In 2003, Dr. Chris de Freitas, the editor of the journal Climate Research, dared to publish a peer-reviewed article with the politically incorrect (but factually correct) conclusion that the recent warming is not unusual in the context of climate changes over the past thousand years.

The international warming establishment quickly mounted a determined campaign to have Dr. de Freitas removed from his editorial job and fired from his university position. Fortunately, Dr. de Freitas was able to keep his university job.

This is not the way science is supposed to work, but we have seen it beforeâ€"for example, in the frightening period when Trofim Lysenko hijacked biology in the Soviet Union. Soviet biologists who revealed that they believed in genes, which Lysenko maintained were a bourgeois fiction, were fired from their jobs. Many were sent to the gulag and some were condemned to death.

Why is there so much passion about global warming, and why has the issue become so vexing that the American Physical Society, from which Dr. Giaever resigned a few months ago, refused the seemingly reasonable request by many of its members to remove the word "incontrovertible" from its description of a scientific issue? There are several reasons, but a good place to start is the old question "cui bono?" Or the modern update, "Follow the money."

It's just another way to attack capitalism and the American way of life by those who are liberals, maxist, socialist,  progressives etc, etc who feel we are not exceptional and deserve what we have. Unfortunately along the way it draws in kind and good people who are kind hearted and want to help the developmenting world. But the answer is not to punish us. Just my opinion. Don't want to start any crazy debates or change any minds. The fact is the facts against this nonsense are rock solid. The "facts" for the climate bs are riddled with fraud, unbacked opinions and other crap that shows it's all non-science.

[ArJuna]

Did Art just dis conservatives?

[sydtron]

ALSO GO BEARS!!!

yeah I know we suck. Its a rebuilding year.  Been rebuilding since 1985. 

And The Cubs can get it done!!
WOOOOOOOOOOO!!

btw... Anybody for a delicious  pint of Sunlight Cream Ale from Sun King Brewery?

[Weirdoradio]

Show is kind of dry and boring tonight. Just not a real fun topic for 3 hours. Maybe if it was a debate but those haven't seemed to work very well for Art lately. I want my crazy! Hopefully we get some kooky callers.

But at least Richard has open lines!

I think the show will take a great turn in about an hour when Art goes to the phone lines and everyone on both sides of the debate will come out of the woodwork.

+1 to any caller who ties global warming into an alien conspiracy.

[Bodach]

http://www.skepticalscience.com/Climategate-CRU-emails-hacked.htm -- what about all the adjustments made to try and "make the figures work"?  This isn't even political.  The ASU has been exposed for manipulating data?  Why are they listened to when it's clear their funding comes from those who want a certain result.

[Sean92008]

Why isn't this guy talking about the fact that MEAT production causes more climate change than transportation?  ALL transportation - cars trucks planes boats. The major sources of CO2 are meat, burning trees and volcanoes THEN transportation. 

Every steak or slab of bacon condemns our grandchildren.

This guy likes his burgers, fireplace and lava rock.

Art is showing his achilles heel.

[=Schlyder=]

Nothing says "Science"  like demanding to round up all your detractors, and throw them in prison.

[trostol]

[Zenman]

Hi Everybody! How is the show so far tonight?

Rather green.   

[Mind Flayer Monk]

Richard Lindzen, professor of atmospheric sciences, MIT; 
Has acknowledged climate change exists and it is caused by man's activities.

[Barfly]

Hi Everybody! How is the show so far tonight?

Boring so far, same old climate change shit we have heard a bazillion times

[Sandra Kristen]

+1 to any caller who ties global warming into an alien conspiracy.

I better hear this tonight! This is why I listen!

[maren]

Um, sea ice has set records in both the Arctic and Antarctic in the last two years.  I call BS.

Are you saying there's MORE ice in the past two years?

[norland2424]

i will say el nino is hitting us already here in socal

[Donald Noory]

According to True Believers there can be no legitimate scientists who disbelieve in the sacred climate change dogma. Such heretics surrender whatever educational and scientific achievements that they would otherwise have attached to their names.

However, actors, rap artists, and Deadheads who recite the sacred dogma are to be awarded standing as scientists no matter what else is lacking in their education. So it is written, so it shall be.

Oh, so there are more "legitimate" scientists who disbelieve in global warming then there are who believe in it? Please point us to the data, Einstein.

[ArJuna]

It's just another way to attack capitalism and the American way of life by those who are liberals, maxist, socialist,  progressives etc, etc who feel we are not exceptional and deserve what we have. Unfortunately along the way it draws in kind and good people who are kind hearted and want to help the developmenting world. But the answer is not to punish us. Just my opinion. Don't want to start any crazy debates or change any minds. The fact is the facts against this nonsense are rock solid. The "facts" for the climate bs are riddled with fraud, unbacked opinions and other crap that shows it's all non-science.

+1000

[malachi.martini]

looool

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Just tuned in. Holy lord do the Vancouver Canucks look like hot garage this pre-season.   

WAR was declared?

[GravitySucks]

That's what I'm thinking. I like Levin. I will consider him collateral damage.

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His podcasts are free... Just go to his website.

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

Quote from: Sean92008 on Today at 11:32:52 PM

    Just like religion, these people are myopic with their god's perspective as the only view.

    None of them talk about polar shift for one.  Overall ice on the planet is up.  NASA temperature data has been determined as manipulated.  The shift in the poles has changed the jet streams (therefore weather, like RAIN are impacted).

    Art needs John Coleman (founder of the Weather Channel and San Diego resident) on.  Maybe on a "Celebrate San Diego" program.  Yay!!! KFMB!!!



Couldn't agree with you more, Sean. Get Joe Bastardi too.

Ditto

[Sean92008]

Couldn't agree with you more, Sean. Get Joe Bastardi too.

Coming from someone using Jeff Lynne as an avatar is fab!   

[21st Century Man]

I blame fat people for the Earth tilt

LOL.  That would definitely have an impact.

[malachi.martini]

+1000

+10000