20150922 - Dr. Kevin Trenberth - Climate Change - Live Show Chat Thread

[IcicleTrepan]

Can someone tell me what Art said that his competitor said?  my device crapped out just as he was getting ready to say it and I didn't get to hear it.

[Sean92008]

Agree.  If Art really wanted to do a good show on the subject, he should have a debate.  However, I bet the "legitimate" climate scientist would refuse to debate with a "denier."

Just like religion, these people are myopic with their god's perspective as the only view.

None of them talk about polar shift for one.  Overall ice on the planet is up.  NASA temperature data has been determined as manipulated.  The shift in the poles has changed the jet streams (therefore weather, like RAIN are impacted).

Art needs John Coleman (founder of the Weather Channel and San Diego resident) on.  Maybe on a "Celebrate San Diego" program.  Yay!!! KFMB!!! 

[maren]

Hello!

Hello!

[21st Century Man]

16 GLOBALLY RENOWNED SCIENTISTS SAY MAN-MADE CLIMATE CHANGE IS BULLSHIT

Claude Allegre, former director of the Institute for the Study of the Earth, University of Paris;
J. Scott Armstrong, cofounder of the Journal of Forecasting and the International Journal of Forecasting;
Jan Breslow, head of the Laboratory of Biochemical Genetics and Metabolism, Rockefeller University;
Roger Cohen, fellow, American Physical Society; Edward David, member, National Academy of Engineering and National Academy of Sciences;
William Happer, professor of physics, Princeton;
Michael Kelly, professor of technology, University of Cambridge, U.K.;
William Kininmonth, former head of climate research at the Australian Bureau of Meteorology;
Richard Lindzen, professor of atmospheric sciences, MIT;
James McGrath, professor of chemistry, Virginia Technical University;
Rodney Nichols, former president and CEO of the New York Academy of Sciences;
Burt Rutan, aerospace engineer, designer of Voyager and SpaceShipOne;
Harrison H. Schmitt, Apollo 17 astronaut and former U.S. senator;
Nir Shaviv, professor of astrophysics, Hebrew University, Jerusalem;
Henk Tennekes, former director, Royal Dutch Meteorological Service;
Antonio Zichichi, president of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva;
AND: Nobel Prize-winning physicist Ivar Giaever.

In September, Nobel Prize-winning physicist Ivar Giaever, a supporter of President Obama in the last election, publicly resigned from the American Physical Society (APS) with a letter that begins: "I did not renew [my membership] because I cannot live with the [APS policy] statement: 'The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth's physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.' In the APS it is OK to discuss whether the mass of the proton changes over time and how a multi-universe behaves, but the evidence of global warming is incontrovertible?"

In spite of a multidecade international campaign to enforce the message that increasing amounts of the "pollutant" carbon dioxide will destroy civilization, large numbers of scientists, many very prominent, share the opinions of Dr. Giaever. And the number of scientific "heretics" is growing with each passing year. The reason is a collection of stubborn scientific facts.

Perhaps the most inconvenient fact is the lack of global warming for well over 10 years now. This is known to the warming establishment, as one can see from the 2009 "Climategate" email of climate scientist Kevin Trenberth: "The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't." But the warming is only missing if one believes computer models where so-called feedbacks involving water vapor and clouds greatly amplify the small effect of CO2.

The lack of warming for more than a decadeâ€"indeed, the smaller-than-predicted warming over the 22 years since the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) began issuing projectionsâ€"suggests that computer models have greatly exaggerated how much warming additional CO2 can cause. Faced with this embarrassment, those promoting alarm have shifted their drumbeat from warming to weather extremes, to enable anything unusual that happens in our chaotic climate to be ascribed to CO2.

The fact is that CO2 is not a pollutant. CO2 is a colorless and odorless gas, exhaled at high concentrations by each of us, and a key component of the biosphere's life cycle. Plants do so much better with more CO2 that greenhouse operators often increase the CO2 concentrations by factors of three or four to get better growth. This is no surprise since plants and animals evolved when CO2 concentrations were about 10 times larger than they are today. Better plant varieties, chemical fertilizers and agricultural management contributed to the great increase in agricultural yields of the past century, but part of the increase almost certainly came from additional CO2 in the atmosphere.

Although the number of publicly dissenting scientists is growing, many young scientists furtively say that while they also have serious doubts about the global-warming message, they are afraid to speak up for fear of not being promotedâ€"or worse. They have good reason to worry. In 2003, Dr. Chris de Freitas, the editor of the journal Climate Research, dared to publish a peer-reviewed article with the politically incorrect (but factually correct) conclusion that the recent warming is not unusual in the context of climate changes over the past thousand years.

The international warming establishment quickly mounted a determined campaign to have Dr. de Freitas removed from his editorial job and fired from his university position. Fortunately, Dr. de Freitas was able to keep his university job.

This is not the way science is supposed to work, but we have seen it beforeâ€"for example, in the frightening period when Trofim Lysenko hijacked biology in the Soviet Union. Soviet biologists who revealed that they believed in genes, which Lysenko maintained were a bourgeois fiction, were fired from their jobs. Many were sent to the gulag and some were condemned to death.

Why is there so much passion about global warming, and why has the issue become so vexing that the American Physical Society, from which Dr. Giaever resigned a few months ago, refused the seemingly reasonable request by many of its members to remove the word "incontrovertible" from its description of a scientific issue? There are several reasons, but a good place to start is the old question "cui bono?" Or the modern update, "Follow the money."

LOL and did you hear about the 32 scientists who want Obama to arrest the deniers?  Talk about un-American, maybe those 32 should be sent to Syria.

[starrmtn001]

Yes. Praise Jazmunda.

Indeed!  Praise Jazmunda!!!

[Sean92008]

I saw that video of the Saudi man & the glass... Whew.  Allah wanted him to live.

[Bodach]

Why is "this is all man made" acceptable, but "we're coming out of a mini ice age still" is not?

[SciFiAuthor]

Funny enough, there's one missing from that list. The eminent physicist Freeman Dyson is also skeptical of climate change claims.

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

16 GLOBALLY RENOWNED SCIENTISTS SAY MAN-MADE CLIMATE CHANGE IS BULLSHIT

Claude Allegre, former director of the Institute for the Study of the Earth, University of Paris;
J. Scott Armstrong, cofounder of the Journal of Forecasting and the International Journal of Forecasting;
Jan Breslow, head of the Laboratory of Biochemical Genetics and Metabolism, Rockefeller University;
Roger Cohen, fellow, American Physical Society; Edward David, member, National Academy of Engineering and National Academy of Sciences;
William Happer, professor of physics, Princeton;
Michael Kelly, professor of technology, University of Cambridge, U.K.;
William Kininmonth, former head of climate research at the Australian Bureau of Meteorology;
Richard Lindzen, professor of atmospheric sciences, MIT;
James McGrath, professor of chemistry, Virginia Technical University;
Rodney Nichols, former president and CEO of the New York Academy of Sciences;
Burt Rutan, aerospace engineer, designer of Voyager and SpaceShipOne;
Harrison H. Schmitt, Apollo 17 astronaut and former U.S. senator;
Nir Shaviv, professor of astrophysics, Hebrew University, Jerusalem;
Henk Tennekes, former director, Royal Dutch Meteorological Service;
Antonio Zichichi, president of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva;
AND: Nobel Prize-winning physicist Ivar Giaever.

...

... There are several reasons, but a good place to start is the old question "cui bono?" Or the modern update, "Follow the money."

Exaaaaaaaaactly right.

[Barfly]

Why is "this is all man made" acceptable, but "we're coming out of a mini ice age still" is not?

No cash in that

[21st Century Man]

Just like religion, these people are myopic with their god's perspective as the only view.

None of them talk about polar shift for one.  Overall ice on the planet is up.  NASA temperature data has been determined as manipulated.  The shift in the poles has changed the jet streams (therefore weather, like RAIN are impacted).

Art needs John Coleman (founder of the Weather Channel and San Diego resident) on.  Maybe on a "Celebrate San Diego" program.  Yay!!! KFMB!!!

Couldn't agree with you more, Sean. Get Joe Bastardi too.

[Weirdoradio]

Everyone prepare yourselves for 3-4 years of having happy birthday inserted into your media super frequently, whether or not you want it.

[bateman]

They dropped Mark Levin for Art?

Looks like they're going to. Or air Levin later.

[=Schlyder=]

We got trouble here in River City.  Trouble I say... it starts with a "T", that rhymes with "C" .. that stands for Climate Change.

Biggest bullshit story in the last 100 years.

[b_dubb]

It's the end of the world and I don't have any ganja, morphine or liquor. I'll have to settle for this bottle of red wine and Tylenol 3 w codeine.

Shit

[Kevin Sorbo]

Can someone please tell me what the phone number to listen (not call in) is? Thank you.

Order Alongside Night for only $16.96 + S&H please.

BRRAAAPS,

Kev

[GravitySucks]

I live in Colorado, in the mountains.  

Something I've noticed this year is that the Autumn foliage is not at all brilliant.  In fact, it's a bit on the dull side.  I've inspected some of the trees and they're full of (box?)beetles.  These beetles haven't caused problems before, but this year there seem to be more.

I'll take some photos tomorrow and post them on my "BellGab Gallery" for you.

Those beetles have been devastating the trees around Vail for years... The Aspens are starting to take over for the old growth pines though.  Kind of sad seeing all of the dead trees when I go up there to watch the chemtrails... Er, I mean to ski.

[malachi.martini]

Bellgab, the wednesday after the climate meteor apocalypse of the 23rd:

[Bodach]

http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article  -- here is the study the "97.1% of climatologists agree about climate change being man made" comes from.  If you look at it, you see that 66% of the climatologists do not even take a position.  The 97.1 only comes from those that have taken a position.

[Sandra Kristen]

Show is kind of dry and boring tonight. Just not a real fun topic for 3 hours. Maybe if it was a debate but those haven't seemed to work very well for Art lately. I want my crazy! Hopefully we get some kooky callers.

But at least Richard has open lines!

[bateman]

Bellgab, the wednesday after the climate meteor apocalypse of the 23rd:

Ooh, I like that '59 Caddy front end.

[21st Century Man]

Don't worry about climate change, its September 23, we all die today

No, I think we die on Sunday during the Super-Blood Moon.  LOL.

[Pixel Ghost]

Why isn't this guy talking about the fact that MEAT production causes more climate change than transportation?  ALL transportation - cars trucks planes boats. The major sources of CO2 are meat, burning trees and volcanoes THEN transportation. 

Every steak or slab of bacon condemns our grandchildren.

[GravitySucks]

Can someone please tell me what the phone number to listen (not call in) is? Thank you.

Order Alongside Night for only $16.96 + S&H please.

BRRAAAPS,

Kev

605-562-4444

[Rat-eating Hater]

Are most climate change deniers uneducated people from Southern states where the majority of the population thinks Obama is a Muslim or the Anti-Christ? And are there any "legitimate" scientists who deny global warming, or all they all fringe crackpots? Or on the payroll of corporations like Koch?

According to True Believers there can be no legitimate scientists who disbelieve in the sacred climate change dogma. Such heretics surrender whatever educational and scientific achievements that they would otherwise have attached to their names.

However, actors, rap artists, and Deadheads who recite the sacred dogma are to be awarded standing as scientists no matter what else is lacking in their education. So it is written, so it shall be.

[sydtron]

Bellgab, the wednesday after the climate meteor apocalypse of the 23rd:

RIDE MOTHERFUCKERS RIIIIIIIIIIIIDE!!!!

[coaster]

Show is kind of dry and boring tonight. Just not a real fun topic for 3 hours. Maybe if it was a debate but those haven't seemed to work very well for Art lately. I want my crazy! Hopefully we get some kooky callers.

But at least Richard has open lines!

I agree.

[Barfly]

It's the end of the world and I don't have any ganja, morphine or liquor. I'll have to settle for this bottle of red wine and Tylenol 3 w codeine.

Shit

Hit the booze store quick before they close

[Sean92008]

That's how I discovered Art in 1990 -- on the same station as my alarm was set to. THEN, as he switched around, my alarm station followed him around. :-)

That ended with Noory.

Dave has killed a lot of things. 

All the Premier(e) stations' ratings for one...

[chefist]

Hi Everybody! How is the show so far tonight?